Who What and Where?

[faminz]

hint, its a frame from a Video...

[pallmall]

It is the ex Jim Boyd Cambridge Lola T70 at Goodwood Revival.

[bry3500]

Gary Pearson , Whitsun Trophy race , Goodwood Revival Lola T70 Spyder :)

[pallmall]

Got a shot of it spinning in front of the field?

[faminz]

bastards! lol
great video tho eh....

nice to see radisich in the falcon too....

[bry3500]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBy2VjRSxQ0&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBy2VjRSxQ0&feature=related

[Jac Mac]

Winner was Jay Esterer in the white Chinook from Canada who runs in F5000 & SFOS events here in NZ each year..

[Kiwiboss]

I see Chris Chiles got 3rd, he raced his Anglia in our 60's saloon group at Amon earlier this year!! living the dream them boys are!! oh well.

Dale Mathers

[bry3500]

who what where?

[bry3500]

Who What ?

[GD66]

Could it be... Jamie Aislabie with SID Mk 1 ??

[bry3500]

Top of the class GD66..on it's way to Levin

[GD66]

who what where?

Hmmm...looks like a BT19, but looks most unlike Jack or Denny...???

[GD66]

Top of the class GD66..on it's way to Levin

Not sure it'd fly through scrutineering these days, and to some it represented the product of a tortured mind, but man, that bloody thing was AWESOME !!

[bry3500]

Jag engine?

[bry3500]

Ok ..here's another Who and what,,,where could be difficult

[GD66]

Hmmm...looks like a BT19, but looks most unlike Jack or Denny...???

Maybe it's Frank Gardner having a one-off gallop in a test session ? He drove for Brabhams, but had a Ford contract so wasn't able to race the Repco-engined cars...then again, that may have been a year or two earlier..

[GD66]

Jag engine?

For sure : maybe even supercharged. Hopefully The Fountain will chime in with the details...

[David McKinney]

The evil Sid did start of with the supercharged 3.8-litre Jag engine from Jamie's Cooper-Jag, replaced later with a fuel-injected 4.7 Ford

[David McKinney]

And I reckon the No.40 car might be John Nicholson's Lotus 27

[bry3500]

Not Frank Gardner - GD66 cracked Sid 1 so quickly, I had to make this more difficult

[bry3500]

It is a Lotus David ..but not JN at the helm

[Oldfart]

Dene Hollier?

[bry3500]

nope...

[bry3500]

anyone got any more pics of Sid...what happened to it?

[105angria]

Doug Evens, Motueka bentsprint @river rd ?

[bry3500]

Amazing Angria!!!!!..I thought that would keep you quite for a lot longer!!,,,what about that Brabham then??

[pallmall]

My guess on the Brabham is John Love in mid 1967 just after he received the car in a South African local F1 race.

[bry3500]

My guess on the Brabham is John Love in mid 1967 just after he received the car in a South African local F1 race.

Getting warm pallmall...but nope

[pallmall]

Getting warm pallmall...but nope

Luki Botha, Killarney, 1967

[bry3500]

You got it PallMall...well done!!!,,My sources say the car is BT11 fitted with a Repco V8 after the Climax engine proved troublesome.. Ok mate, your turn!

[jamie]

Hi bry3500 Is SID Mk1 1971 in Nelson on borrowed trailer towed by Ford v8 flat head Singler Spiner onway home from Timaru Jamie A

[ElCoyote]

Where is SID1 now Jaimie?

[jamie]

To ELcoyte I Belive Peter Benbrook has it Jamie

[jamie]

Dave McKinney. SID 1 was Normally asperated with 3 carbys Mk 7 block 3.8 with 2.4 head big cams and valves. Jamie

[pallmall]

Who and Where are not important, need to know What.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i275/Checraft/RANDOM/Question1.jpg

[Parnelli]

Ford GT40 MK 2 - Possibly Chassis No. 1046, if the black paint is original .

[bry3500]

Hi bry3500 Is SID Mk1 1971 in Nelson on borrowed trailer towed by Ford v8 flat head Singler Spiner onway home from Timaru Jamie A

Thanks for the correction Jamie..the picture came from the Nelson photo News which proclaimed you were on the way to Levin...anyway, what an amazing looking car, really happy to know that it survived,,,do you have any more pictures? .., and oh where did the name Sid come from...Stupendous Innovative Device?? :)

[pallmall]

Ford GT40 MK 2 - Possibly Chassis No. 1046, if the black paint is original .

Correct, it is the genuine article, although I don't think it is the same coat of paint that was at LeMans in 1966.

[Jac Mac]

Going by the fabricated sheet support for the 'luggage' box its in that period where it was an active race car-66/67..later pics 68~83 show it with a fabricated tube type support bracket assy, although it could be a much later restored pic, is that a cropped photo? as this car had the brake scoops removed & the rear clip shortened during testing with H&M after its Le Mans effort..

[GD66]

Dave McKinney. SID 1 was Normally asperated with 3 carbys Mk 7 block 3.8 with 2.4 head big cams and valves. Jamie


In that case, even more awesome !! Hats off Jamie, you may not have received fame and fortune from racing buddy, but you sure as hell opened a few eyes along the way. Not trying to line your pockets here, but the thing went like a jet, turned well, and you pedalled it beautifully.
Vastly underrated effort....but we were watching, mate....

[pallmall]

Going by the fabricated sheet support for the 'luggage' box its in that period where it was an active race car-66/67..later pics 68~83 show it with a fabricated tube type support bracket assy, although it could be a much later restored pic, is that a cropped photo? as this car had the brake scoops removed & the rear clip shortened during testing with H&M after its Le Mans effort..

Photo was taken in 1996, yes it is a cropped photo. The history of the car in Ford Motor Co ownership after Le Mans kind of depends on who and what you read.

[David McKinney]

Dave McKinney. SID 1 was Normally asperated with 3 carbys Mk 7 block 3.8 with 2.4 head big cams and valves. Jamie
Thanks for the correction, Jamie. Don't know where I got the blower idea from. Did you try one on the Cooper-Jag?

Nice to see you here, by the way. Welcome

[bob homewood]

Yes good to see Jamie here ,A huge and I believe underated talent both on the driving and the mechanical front ,and a hard and worthy competitor ,one of the kind of people that I feel NZ motor racing is really about

[Oldfart]

And Sid is stored in a shed in Auckland awaiting rebuild (along with a mountain of other rebuilds).

[jamie]

BRY 3500 Yes it is all in the name No1 STLL. IN. DEBT. No2 SOMTHING. I. DID. The real real answer?? some day if I meet you I will tell as it is too funny to put in print .Jamie

[jamie]

Dave McKinney Hi dave yes we did have one on the Cooper man what A beest .Didnt put it on SID as HD5 gearbox was prob not up to it Jamie

[bob homewood]

BRY 3500 Yes it is all in the name No1 STLL. IN. DEBT. No2 SOMTHING. I. DID. The real real answer?? some day if I meet you I will tell as it is too funny to put in print .Jamie

Jamie put it in Yards and Yarns ,nothing is too funny for there ,come to think of it you must be able to add a couple of good ones to that thread as well

[Steve Holmes]

Jamie, as Bob said, we can cope with just about anything here. Welcome to the site, by the way. Nice to have you here.

[bob homewood]

3958

Jamie and Sid got to run with some distinguished company this day

[bob homewood]

3959

Ok here is another who ,what, photo from that 71 Christmas Bay Park meeting I need to confirm for the last part of a jigsaw I am working on at the moment

[David McKinney]

Not in the programme (as you may have already worked out) but according to the notes I took at the time it was a bloke who was racing a Camaro with a number one lower, ie, Rod Coppins

[GD66]

Hard to read, but the stick-on signage on the front guard appears to read "Hillsdene Motors."

Maybe Don Harper can confirm...

[bob homewood]

Thanks Gd 66 ,that is sort of what /where I got to with my reckoning ,142 was a number that was not taken in the program so yes I though 141 and 142 that sort of fell into place ,I was living in the South Island at that time so it makes figuring out things a bit harder ,actually don't also take the programmes as gospel ,I have found at least four meetings when I was not in the program,and I know I was not a late entry and have recently found another when I ran two different cars at the same meeting ,and my name is spelt in two different ways and have me coming from two different places ,but I put both the entries in at the same time ,it makes it hard later on when you are trying to unravel things

[Rod Grimwood]

Well there you go Bob, I often reckoned there was 2 of you, 1 can not get into that much trouble.

[jamie]

Bob Homewood Never seen that photo dont even rember that race looks like ime trying to keep out of the way [prob scared shitless] Jamie

[bry3500]

Bob Homewood Never seen that photo dont even rember that race looks like ime trying to keep out of the way [prob scared shitless] Jamie
looks to me like you are on the racing line using every inch of tarmac Jamie.. ;)

[woody]

4005

[woody]

4007

[woody]

4008

[pallmall]

4005

I presume the ex Rex Flowers Gemini from the 1961-62 period. I think this car went through a ton of owners and was converted to a sportscar at one time. Apart from the roll over bar, restored back to Flowers colours.

[pallmall]

The Mallock U2 was a copy by Jack Oakley and Graham McRae, swapped for McRae's first Brabham I think. I first saw this car at one of the very first Pukekohe club meetings on the new (then) club track. I think somebody from Matamata had it then.

[bry3500]

Australia

[105angria]

Geelong speed trial

[bry3500]

Geelong speed trial
I was going to exclude you from this one Angria!!!..I think we were there that day...What is it?

[RogerH]

With the Rex Flowers Gemini Mk3A - here is a photo of Rex pushing the car to the finish over Pukekohe's "hill". I understand he pushed it all the way from the back straight.

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/3428/25au.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/607/25au.jpg/)

[bob homewood]

Roger ,that photo illustrates the last minute rush that took place to get Pukekohe finished for that meeting ,if you look to the left of the photo a lot of the machinery is still there on site ,I used to drive around past there on the way home after work in the evenings and check on the progress in the days leading up to that meeting ,there is I think still a bit of a overview on Stevensons web site about the short length of time it took them to do the job ,you especially would appreciate the fact that would be impossible today with all the resource consents etc needed

[RogerH]

Heres's another shot of Rex Flowers having a breather before taking on the "hill". It shows more of the new track that Bob mentioned.

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1605/67ane.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/269/67ane.jpg/)

Interestingly, with such a relatively small race marque as Gemini, there are two Gemini Mk3A cars in NZ plus the first ever built Gemini (a front engined Mk2) and the only Gemini Mk3 made.

[RogerH]

A Who, What and Where (with a front and rear view to make it a bit easier) :

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9554/43az.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/43az.jpg/)

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/895/52ak.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/52ak.jpg/)

[bry3500]

Frank Matich Lotus 19 Warwick Farm? ?
A Who, What and Where (with a front and rear view to make it a bit easier) :

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9554/43az.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/43az.jpg/)

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/895/52ak.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/52ak.jpg/)

[RogerH]

Yes, it is the Frank Matich Lotus 19 Monte Carlo. This was written off by one of Matich's mechanics and the remains constructed into a Lotus 19B for Matich. A few years ago a car, purportedly created out of a few bits of the crashed 19, was built up and sold as Matich's Lotus 19.
I'm not 100% sure the photo is at Warwick Farm - it was in a bundle of Ardmore and Pukekohe photos - did Matich ever bring the Lotus 19 to NZ?

[bob homewood]

Yes, it is the Frank Matich Lotus 19 Monte Carlo. This was written off by one of Matich's mechanics and the remains constructed into a Lotus 19B for Matich. A few years ago a car, purportedly created out of a few bits of the crashed 19, was built up and sold as Matich's Lotus 19.
I'm not 100% sure the photo is at Warwick Farm - it was in a bundle of Ardmore and Pukekohe photos - did Matich ever bring the Lotus 19 to NZ?

Frank Matich brought it here along with the Brabham which Red Dawson later owned ,in 1964 and competed at the Mount Maunganui street race and Pukekohe NZIGP.
The Customline ute is a bit of a period time piece,they actually went not too bad for their time ,from memory they were lighter than the car !

[David McKinney]

Weren't they called Mainline utes?

Matich really showed up the state of NZ sportscar racing that year, in what was basically a four-year-old car. Most of our stock was even older...

[bob homewood]

Weren't they called Mainline utes?

Matich really showed up the state of NZ sportscar racing that year, in what was basically a four-year-old car. Most of our stock was even older...

Yes Mainline sorry Dave ,I was in too big a hurray earlier this morning

[Oldfart]

Sorry if this is a bit OT, I can currently reply, but not log on for a New Thread??
Were there HillClimbs in the Auckland Domain in the very early 1970s?
If so who ran them, and does anyone have a programme for 71 which I can check and entry please?

[David McKinney]

Off the top of my head, OF, I don't think they started till the 1980s

If there were any that early, my guess is they would have been run by the Waitemata branch of the Vintage Car Club (and probably didn't run to programmes)

If you're trying to ID a photo, bang it up - someone will recognise it

[Oldfart]

Off the top of my head, OF, I don't think they started till the 1980s

If there were any that early, my guess is they would have been run by the Waitemata branch of the Vintage Car Club (and probably didn't run to programmes)

If you're trying to ID a photo, bang it up - someone will recognise it

I would agree with the "current" TACCOC version, but perhaps there were Auckland Car Club, Northern Sports, or was the University Club still going then??

[bry3500]

fairly easy

[pallmall]

Presume it is Sir Frank Gardner RIP in the Alan Mann Racing Escort Mk1 1968.

I will have a guess at Thruxton for the circuit.

[bry3500]

Presume it is Sir Frank Gardner RIP in the Alan Mann Racing Escort Mk1 1968.

I will have a guess at Thruxton for the circuit.
right first time PM//your turn

[bry3500]

where?

[pallmall]

Big guess, they look like BMW bikes, so I think it must be in Berlin and the bit of track they are on looks like Avus.
Maybe celebrating the World Championship wins of BMW racing bikes?

[bry3500]

Big guess, they look like BMW bikes, so I think it must be in Berlin and the bit of track they are on looks like Avus.
Maybe celebrating the World Championship wins of BMW racing bikes?
Jeez...I thought that might have you stumped for more than half an hour. I have been to Avus on a number of occasions and must say that this is a magnificent sculpture...

[pallmall]

This shouldn't be too difficult.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i275/Checraft/RANDOM/What.jpg

[GD66]

Rex Ramsay in the LeGrand Formula A at Bay Park, December 1968. The drooping exhaust may belong to Peter Moloney's Cooper Climax...

[bry3500]

Yes good to see Jamie here ,A huge and I believe underated talent both on the driving and the mechanical front ,and a hard and worthy competitor ,one of the kind of people that I feel NZ motor racing is really about

SID mk1
Timaru early 70s (top)
Bay park with 289 v8 1972 (bottom)
photo's from Jamie Aislabie

[bob homewood]

Here is one I am trying to place,Jamie might know the answer to this one4575

[bry3500]

Here is one I am trying to place,Jamie might know the answer to this one4575
Message from Jamie
Des Hammill - Falcon motor with Bathurst Cylinder head at Bay Park

[stubuchanan]

Message from Jamie
Des Hammill - Falcon motor with Bathurst Cylinder head at Bay Park

Is that Des Hammill who later wrote 20-odd "How To..." books on a variety of tuning and engine-building topics, plus a book on Coventry Climax engines, and co-wrote a biography on Cyril Kieft. And a book on the Treaty of Waitangi, just in case we didn't already have enough.

Not to be confused with Denis Hamill from a few years earlier who raced saloons.

[David McKinney]

A note in the Kieft book says that Des Hammill was author of the Coventry-Climax book

[bry3500]

Is that Des Hammill who later wrote 20-odd "How To..." books on a variety of tuning and engine-building topics, plus a book on Coventry Climax engines, and co-wrote a biography on Cyril Kieft. And a book on the Treaty of Waitangi, just in case we didn't already have enough.

Not to be confused with Denis Hamill from a few years earlier who raced saloons.
It is Des Hammill the author in the pic

[bob homewood]

Message from Jamie
Des Hammill - Falcon motor with Bathurst Cylinder head at Bay Park

Ok thanks Bry ,I forgotten about Des Hamill ,where did that car come from and go to ,ok and what happened to the nose that day ?,sorry for all the questions but the answers will help tidy up a few loose ends,That meeting is April 2nd 1972 out of interest

[bob homewood]

4579

Another who ,what,when,where ?

[jamie]

Hi Bob Is that the Mc Beg being built Jamie A

[bry3500]

Ok thanks Bry ,I forgotten about Des Hamill ,where did that car come from and go to ,ok and what happened to the nose that day ?,sorry for all the questions but the answers will help tidy up a few loose ends,That meeting is April 2nd 1972 out of interest
According to Jamie the last time he saw the car it was in Des's workshop in the early 90,s and he was trying to sell it...

[bry3500]

Who What And Where

[pallmall]

Considering the Jamie Aislabie stuff up above, my pick it is him in the ex Colin Ngan bobtail, Pukekohe, Railway Corner circa 1964.

[bry3500]

Considering the Jamie Aislabie stuff up above, my pick it is him in the ex Colin Ngan bobtail, Pukekohe, Railway Corner circa 1964.
You got it PM...quite a history with that car... ex Jack Brabham Bruce Mclaren .Merv Neil Doug Lawrence

[pallmall]

Didn't Doug Lawrence have a couple of Bobtails at the same time? Wasn't quite sure what and which emerged from that meld. I think an engine from one went into the Lola sportscar. Question is where is that Bobtail now?

[bob homewood]

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[Kwaussie]

Hi Bob Is that the Mc Beg being built Jamie A

Sure it is not a Begg or the McBegg

[David McKinney]

Didn't Doug Lawrence have a couple of Bobtails at the same time? Wasn't quite sure what and which emerged from that meld. I think an engine from one went into the Lola sportscar. Question is where is that Bobtail now?
Yes. He ran a bright green 1100cc 1955 model with 500-type wheels for a season or two, then bought the newer 1500 with F2-type wheels and bigger brakes. The bigger-engined car was pretty tatty by then, so he put all the good bits into his nicer car, and the inferior bits in the ex-McLaren etc car. They then went their separate ways...

The 1955 car has been in Australia for some time; last I hard of the other (the one in the picture), the remains were with Errol Norris

[jamie]

Sorry Dave I sold the car to Birne Hines and the car was destroyed in a fire 1966 Jamie A

[David McKinney]

Yes, I know ;)

[AMCO72]

This is rather intriguing. David McKinney says...'yes I know'.....wink, wink????????? And I have to say he USUALLY does know. Is there something here we all should know as well, or do I just mind my own business!!!! Is this the same Bernie Hines that races a Mini? [different spelling of 'Birne']

[jamie]

Yes Just my bum spelling that is the story as I was told and I have no reason to disbeleve???? Jamie

[David McKinney]

First point - I don't know

I heard the fate of the Cooper-Climax from Jamie himself (100 years ago)

Since then there were reports that Bill Tyson had the "remains" in 1967, which were passed on to Bill Clark then Errol Norris. The gear-knob?

[bob homewood]

4588

Managed to perhaps get the Engine View a little clearer today

[bob homewood]

Well finally cracked the sports car photo today ,it was the first of the Gemco made bodies based on the Gemco sports car,and in the photo it is being fitted to the Grahame Harvey Elfin 400 for the start of the 1972 season,if I can sort another photo out good enough I will post it later

[bob homewood]

4593

The Finished job out testing at Pukekohe

[markec]

To Bob Homewood, Alan Dick asked me if I remembered the ex Bob Homewood Escort.Olds that a mutual friend once owned, Ross Cameron, Alan thought it went to Hawea near Wanaka.

[bob homewood]

To Bob Homewood, Alan Dick asked me if I remembered the ex Bob Homewood Escort.Olds that a mutual friend once owned, Ross Cameron, Alan thought it went to Hawea near Wanaka.

Yes I have had someone in touch from down there and some photos sent up to me ,the only photos I have was in its Metro cranes TC guise ,around 1974 I did a real silly thing and threw out heaps of photos etc I had when I was moving ,back then I figured no one would ever be interested in any of that stuff,if only I knew all these years later that it was all part of history

[markec]

Yes I have had someone in touch from down there and some photos sent up to me ,the only photos I have was in its Metro cranes TC guise ,around 1974 I did a real silly thing and threw out heaps of photos etc I had when I was moving ,back then I figured no one would ever be interested in any of that stuff,if only I knew all these years later that it was all part of history

I have been going through an acquaintance's old magazines, scanning things of interest, it is not surprising that many ex and still current driver's have no records in picture form of their early experience's, most say they were too busy trying to win.I have Mainly OSCA, F5000 an some sports car pics as neither Russ Noble or Murray Baker had much in the way of records.It started with me looking for info on the Swift that won Wigram in 1989 for Steve Donaldson who now has the car.

[tweaks]

And there were a lot of negatives and history lost in the ODT fire many moons ago that A. Dick. had at the time

[markec]

If Jamie a or anyone for that matter, is interested in viewing some proof shots that were taken 1968 / 1973 type era, there are aprx 18 sheets with up to 20 something picture on each. It would appear that they were taken in Teratonga,Timaru and Ruapuna. Probably easier if I send them in a PDF file so they can be enlarged after being received, many are of sports cars but there are saloon cars with some rally stuff as well. These were found at the Styx Rubbish transfer station in Ch Ch. Let me know how I can best get them viewed on line,it may be best to send them to individual Email addresses.

[bob homewood]

I would be keen,they might be of assistance to something I am working on at the moment,let me ,I had some sent a couple of weeks ago ,they just got emailed in proof sheet form and then I sorted them at this end ,no doubt someone with more experience than me will know the best way


If Jamie a or anyone for that matter, is interested in viewing some proof shots that were taken 1968 / 1973 type era, there are aprx 18 sheets with up to 20 something picture on each. It would appear that they were taken in Teratonga,Timaru and Ruapuna. Probably easier if I send them in a PDF file so they can be enlarged after being received, many are of sports cars but there are saloon cars with some rally stuff as well. These were found at the Styx Rubbish transfer station in Ch Ch. Let me know how I can best get them viewed on line,it may be best to send them to individual Email addresses.

[markec]

If you send me your physical mailing address I will copy them to disk and send them, that's to anyone who is interested in trying to identify the cars.
Email to ,
<markecnz@gmail.com>

[jamie]

Hi Markec, Jamie I would love to have a disc E/M on jamie.kaos@wave.co.nz well work from there IE address cost ect. Jamie

[bob homewood]

Heres something that some one might remember ,early sixties there was in Auckland a Sunbeam Alpine that had been fitted with a MGA twin Cam engine ,in the time that I first worked on it I think it was owned and raced by a chap who was a chemist in white Swan Road ? Does anyone remember the car and who put the MG engine in it in the beginning

[stubuchanan]

Heres something that some one might remember ,early sixties there was in Auckland a Sunbeam Alpine that had been fitted with a MGA twin Cam engine ,in the time that I first worked on it I think it was owned and raced by a chap who was a chemist in white Swan Road ? Does anyone remember the car and who put the MG engine in it in the beginning

My father was secretary of an Auckland pharmaceutical suppy co in the 50's to 70's so a lot of the local chemists names were familiar around home, but Ian Runnerstrum is the only one I recall as a motor sport competitor and I don't think it was him.

Stu

[David McKinney]

Lionel Spitz?

[bob homewood]

Lionel Spitz?

David ,thanks ,I have the name Brian Paddy in my mind ,it would have run the early days of Pukekohe around 65/65 ,I am pretty sure the chap used to advertise his business in the NSCC monthly rag back then,I don't think he was the person who changed the engine in it .but I could be wrong for some reason I'm connecting Peter Hull with it ,not sure ,thats why I thought I would ask on here

[stubuchanan]

Lionel Spitz?

Car 219, slightly obscured behind the officials, is Lionel (?Lou) Spitz. Programme says car is red/black, but not so. I won't name the event, as it occurs to me that punters might like to try to identify Who What or When. Where is obvious!
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Does trigger off any more memories? How about 'name the officials'.

Stu

[Oldfart]

Lots of Bucklers in there!

[bob homewood]

Thanks ,yes its triggering memories ,but I just got to get the brain to agree with my thoughts ,by the time the Alpine crossed my path in life again around 1975 ,it was red in colour,at that time I took the MG twin Cam engine out of it and returned it to Rootes power for a completely different person ,incidentally one of the young locals in my area brought the motor to put in his Morris Oxford ,don't know if it ever happened,I guess its with the Metal Man now,Stu thanks for that photo ,will browse it more fully when time allows

[Carlo]

Car 219, slightly obscured behind the officials, is Lionel (?Lou) Spitz. Programme says car is red/black, but not so. I won't name the event, as it occurs to me that punters might like to try to identify Who What or When. Where is obvious!
4721

Does trigger off any more memories? How about 'name the officials'.

Stu

The person with the clipboard has to be Quacker

[stubuchanan]

Lots of Bucklers in there!

Not as many as you might think, O.F.
Only one actually.

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Red cars from left : O.Cullen Buckler, K.Yeats Orchid, Hughes Lotus 11.

By mid 1960's Bucklers were getting a bit sparse on the staring grids.

Stu

[bry3500]

who what were

[105angria]

Dan Gurney, Lotus <LA

[bry3500]

Dan Gurney, Lotus <LA nope

[Kwaussie]

John Surtees, Lotus 18 USA!!

[bry3500]

[QUOTE=Kwaussie;7313]John Surtees, Lotus 18 USA!![/QUOTE
Yes , well done,,,Photo caption says "John Surtees drives his F1 Lotus up University Avenue heading towards the raceway for the 1960 U.S. Grand Prix." ...Riverside

[RogerH]

Who (although the driver is absent), what, where ...

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/6633/cc68.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/835/cc68.jpg/)

[Jac Mac]

Hmm, Mclaren used to run the #47, looks like a Austin healey 100/4, could it be Levin ?..Im not familiar with NI circuits of old. Car currently owned by B.C. Clearwater if it is...

[Kwaussie]

Lots of people seem more interested in the car in the background!
The Healy entrant has I think near new Dunlop racing tyres so must be someone serious like Bruce or Pop McLaren.

[stubuchanan]

Place would be Ardmore 1955 GP Meeting (circuit was run anti-clockwise in the first 2 GPs)
Car 47 was J(John?) Seabrook - of Seabrook Fowlds Austin importers presumably.

McLaren car was No 11.

[David McKinney]

Reg no. is wrong for the McLaren car. I'm with Stu on this one:)

From memory Bruce didn't run the Healey as 47 very much - it wasn't really till the Coopers that he stuck with it

[RogerH]

Yes, Stu's correct. It was a little bit of a trick question with the 100/4 and number 47. The McLaren 100/4 had a rego number of 346.239.

[stubuchanan]

Reg no. is wrong for the McLaren car. I'm with Stu on this one:)

From memory Bruce didn't run the Healey as 47 very much - it wasn't really till the Coopers that he stuck with it

Sounds very technical! I just looked it up in the programme(s).;);)

Stu

[Oldfart]

Not as many as you might think, O.F.
Only one actually.

4730

Red cars from left : O.Cullen Buckler, K.Yeats Orchid, Hughes Lotus 11.

By mid 1960's Bucklers were getting a bit sparse on the staring grids.

Stu

Hi Stu, what is the white car behind the Daimler, alongside Cullen? In front of the Hughes car is a Mistral. Keith Yeats is still a very handy peddler of an innocuous looking BMW on Targa events. (Assuming it's the same Yeats!)

[stubuchanan]

Hi Stu, what is the white car behind the Daimler, alongside Cullen? In front of the Hughes car is a Mistral. Keith Yeats is still a very handy peddler of an innocuous looking BMW on Targa events. (Assuming it's the same Yeats!)

Should be the Austin Healey of Charlie Conway, and Mistral is Richard McNair.
Yeats' Orchid body looks very similar to AMW Buckler but tail looks different :

4747

[bob homewood]

Well my friend who arranged in later years for me to take the MG twin Cam engine out of the Alpine and convert it back to Rootes power ,told me today that to his understanding ,the Alpine engine was removed from the Alpine back in the beginning and found a home In Robbie Francevics Humber 80 ,then of course the Alpine ended up with the MG twin cam engine ,can anyone expand on this



Heres something that some one might remember ,early sixties there was in Auckland a Sunbeam Alpine that had been fitted with a MGA twin Cam engine ,in the time that I first worked on it I think it was owned and raced by a chap who was a chemist in white Swan Road ? Does anyone remember the car and who put the MG engine in it in the beginning

[Oldfart]

Well

[bry3500]

Is that one of those Mini based cars? Terrapin?...OK just checked..not a Terrapin

[GD66]

Looks more like a pre-unit Triumph twin. Could it be an early version of an MER ?

[David McKinney]

I'm pretty sure it's the Mini-Max

[Oldfart]

I'm pretty sure it's the Mini-Max
OK David, you got the what, how about the who and where? OOOh it feels good to be ahead of you just once David!
This is from a bunch of my photos taken around the mid 60s which I have just had digitised.

[jamie]

Yo At the bottom of Chamberlan Rd hill climb ready to roll down the start Jamie A

[David McKinney]

And probably Ross Hollings, I would think

[Oldfart]

Sorry, both David and Jamie are not right yet. Much closer to your old home town Jamie.

[stubuchanan]

Sorry, both David and Jamie are not right yet. Much closer to your old home town Jamie.

My photo of the car was possibly taken at the same event. I have labelled it Challenger Special, not a car I was particularly familiar with, but obviously I got the info from someone who was.

4765

It was apparently built by Northlander Graham Walker and had a 250cc BSA motor, and was quite competitive.

PS When I first saw your picture, Oldfart, I thought it was somebody's accident, with cars, people and wheels all over the place. Not so, obviously.

Stu

[stubuchanan]

The dense subtropical forest of Oldfart's picture doesn't look like Chamberlain Rd Bombay. Perhaps a little bit further north at Puhipuhi for a Gold Star hillclimb. Perhaps it really is the Mini-Max with Ross Hollings or J Pettit in the helmet.

Or maybe I was right first time with car/driver.

Does the sign on the side of the car say "Just Married"?

Stu

[David McKinney]

Sorry, both David and Jamie are not right yet. Much closer to your old home town Jamie.
In that case it must be John Pettit
I was guessing, based on the fact that Hollings would have run at Chamberlain Road more often than Pettit
Or of course it could have been the guy who bought it from RH, and put it down the bank somehwere. Or am I thinking of a different car now?

[Oldfart]

David has the driver surname (I thought, and wrote at the time Clive) but no-one is close on the venue yet. I was talking with the creator of the Minimax, Max Rutherford at Taupo at the weekend. He has done a magnificent job of the resto of the JBS.
Apparently the Minimax was created as a speedway TQ and "multi used" a lot before being sold, and rear engine cars banned from speedway (at least TQ). He was considering a replica of the 'max.

[Grant Ellwood]

I think the Flowers gemini was aquired by the late Roy Lyme for hillclimbing. I ended up with the tail section when the car was modified at Rob Colliers workshop in Levin.
Grant Ellwood

[jamie]

Not John Pettit says he wasnt sily enufh to have just maried writen on his car ?? but says it is his old car and would like to know where it is Jamie A

[jamie]

John Pettit has just payed me a visit and seen the 2 photos and now sayes that it is him in the first photo the car is down in a gully after falling off the road .he bought the car of Max Rutherford Jamie A

[Oldfart]

John Pettit has just payed me a visit and seen the 2 photos and now sayes that it is him in the first photo the car is down in a gully after falling off the road .he bought the car of Max Rutherford Jamie A

OK, so I was wrong with my naming at the time, so I will accept John. BUT the car is NOT down a gully after falling off the road. It is on a bank between the turn around loop and the first uphill part of the road at a Gold Star hill climb at Tarawera, went from the lake edge up to almost the Buried Village. Now Jamie would know why I said "closer to home"!

[Oldfart]

Another

[bob homewood]

Is that the " old english gent "

[Oldfart]

Is that the " old english gent "
Count someone?

[David McKinney]

I think the Flowers gemini was aquired by the late Roy Lyme for hillclimbing. I ended up with the tail section when the car was modified at Rob Colliers workshop in Levin.
Grant Ellwood
He did it have it for a while, but I don't recall him using it much before selling it to the Baker brothers

[jamie]

ROY LYME in Cooper Jamie

[bob homewood]

Thats who I meant ,sorry it was a bit of a private joke ,I always called hin the "old english gent " he always took it in the right vein

[Oldfart]

ROY LYME in Cooper Jamie
Where?

[bob homewood]

Actually looking at Roy on the serious side he was not too bad at getting the job done ,I helped him at the wet Easter Bay Park meeting ,the same one the Aussie mini guys came over for ,it was a pouring wet day and was his first drive in the ex Tony Batchelor Brabham TC ,he did a dam good job and acquitted himself well that day,considering up to then most of his running had been on the hills

[David McKinney]

Ah - but not as good a job as fellow Rotorua driver Tony Baker in the Gemini:)

[bob homewood]

Yes ,got to agree with that one David ,that was a good drive by Tony that day ,and of course a few months later ,Roy's single seater aspirations were over after he crashed and badly damaged the Brabham at Pukekohe ,strange all the experts knew better ,nobody wanted to listen to me ,there was no way we should have been trying to run those tyres on that type of rim ,there was no safety lip to retain them if the pressures dropped,which is what happened

[David McKinney]

I wouldn't have minded Roy Lyme's Pukekohe "off" so much if he hadn't aimed the thing at my viewing spot inside Champion:eek:

[Grant Ellwood]

Roy got badly burned, refuelling the Gemini I think but Jamie would know the details I'm sure. Possibly the reason why there was quite a time gap between running the Gemini and the Brabham.
I recall seeing a photo of Roy's crash at Puke, the fence posts went down like dominos.
Roy said later that Tony B. told him prior to the moment that Champion was flat in that car..... He also said that he had aimed it at David (joking).


I wouldn't have minded Roy Lyme's Pukekohe "off" so much if he hadn't aimed the thing at my viewing spot inside Champion:eek:

[bob homewood]

Where?

Tarawera ?

[jamie]

Yes that is were I think it is also Jamie

[bob homewood]

Down the bottom I reckon Jamie ? ,I could tell a few stories about that area ,but they belong in another thread .Might sound stupid but the tow truck looks familiar ,was that Bakers ? I tried reading the name in the photo but can't

[markec]

I have coloured pics of this car in NZ, from probably the 70's running the #85

[Oldfart]

Tarawera ?
It is, and was a bit of a give away given the Minimax is in the background having already started his run, especially given the ones on the 'max before.
I also have some stories from there, should be in Yards etc.

[bob homewood]

No I never take it for granted with photos , I know of at least three seperate old hillclimb venues out in the hills around here and to be honest sometimes its real hard to tell them apart with some photo shots even for me and I have lived here on and off for years

[jamie]

Yes BOB Bakers had an old Ford flat head v8 wrecker and I recon that,s it Jamie

[bob homewood]

Talking of Baker Bros ,Jamie all we need now are some photos of that standing quarter they had on Old Taupo Rod,down by their workshop ,could you ever imagine that happening today

[jamie]

No Bob we all would be locked up .I have some photos of that sprint in the Cooper Jag I will see if I can find them Jamie

[Oldfart]

And what about the one down Rawhiti Rd in suburban Matamata?

[jamie]

No Old Fart. but did Thames Vally at Kerypahy[bad spelling] just down from the old wooden pub it grate fun and the old A7 drove there and back, was colcked at 98 mph Jamie ps not on the way home?

[Rod Grimwood]

OK Try this one,
AMCO no assistance ah.

[AMCO72]

Gotcha Rod.......but I was just looking at the car and thinking.....headlamps??? We are all required to have working head and tail lamps now in case of inclement conditions. What happens to this machine? Probably could fit a couple of spots in the grill.

[AMCO72]

I think you have got them beat Rod!!!

[Jac Mac]

OK Try this one,
AMCO no assistance ah.

Looks like its taken at Teretonga, SFOS meet, hard to make out who the driver is as the screen is a bit Foggy, driver must have been sweating a bit, apparently the original driver always emerged from the car with a bad case of hayfever, Donn Anderson of Motorman experienced the same sensation after he tested the 'Original' car at its Teretonga appearance way back in the 1960's. I think the car is now owned by a guy from Wanganui, or should that be Whanganui!

[Rod Grimwood]

Jac Mac, Correct track, correct meet, and not a bad descripition of the windscreen. Is that were it went too

[Jac Mac]

Apparently yes, A mate of mine was up north for the U21 Speedway meeting @ Rosebank & happened to be filling up at the same service station as the new owner was heading home with his purchase.

[CUSTAXIE50]

so the custaxie has come down this way-mmm-not to far to go have a look at it.do you know who the new owner is.

[Jac Mac]

Sorry, was being towed with a Dodge Ram if thats any help, new owner has raced before & said it might appear occasionally, but thats all he got from him.

[CUSTAXIE50]

thanks for that,will look into this to see who has it.--could it be robert bartley.

[Jac Mac]

I ran Roberts name past him, along with a few others that I remember from that area, did not ring any bells with him...

[Rod Grimwood]

There are a few from down that way. When you mentioned Ram, Taylor ran through mind but think he is in New Plymouth

[CUSTAXIE50]

did he say what cars he ran.

[stubuchanan]

Gotcha Rod.......but I was just looking at the car and thinking.....headlamps??? We are all required to have working head and tail lamps now in case of inclement conditions. What happens to this machine? Probably could fit a couple of spots in the grill.

Re the Custaxie :

Look at 1967 photos and it didn't have headlights then. Nor any tail or indicator lights either. Interior shot in the Shell 1967 Motor Racing book show no evidence of any switches at all! Did it start by twisting 2 wires together?

Question: does the original bonnet top look flatter than re-creation?

Stu

[CUSTAXIE50]

as you sat in the old custaxie, the main switch was down on the floor on your left. the main switch was a big kill switch . you could take the top part of the switch off the main part that was on the floor. all that was needed to start it was next to the main switch.

[woody]

I wonder where all these cars have ended up?

[bry3500]

I nearly went cross eyed trying to read that
8th Dunedin Road Race
A F. MOFFATT LOTUS XV
D. YOUNG JAGUAR C TYPE
B THOMASEN MONZA FERRARI
M GILL LYCOMING
F SHUTER FERRARI
D. MACKENZIE COOPER CLIMAX
P. M. HOARE FERRARI
D EVANS COOPER CLIMAX
R H SMITH FERRARI
L R GILBERT MASERATI 250F
JIM PALMER LOTUS
B PRESCOTT MASERATI 250F
T E CLARK HWM
B BLACKBURN MASERATI 4CLT
W R ( BOB) EADE MASERATI
J FENTON CONNAUGHT
A HYSLOP JAGUAR
H GANLEY LOTUS
J MANSEL TEC MEC
D HULME COOPER CLIMAX

[bry3500]

Well....we know where the Lycoming is...
The engine from the TEC MEC ended up in Rod Coppins Zephyr I think..
As for Fentons Connaught ..Eoin Young wrote a good article http://www.classiccar.co.nz/articles/the-new-zealand-connaught-connection..
Frank Shuter was a DNA but the Ferrari 625 was totaled at Wigram 1961 after hitting the timekeepers Standard !4..
Len Gilberts 250F is in Southward’s Car Museum, Prescotts Piccolo 250F may have ended up with Cameron Millar.
I'll now stand by and wait for David to correct me :)

[David McKinney]

Not much to correct, Bry, but some updates:


I nearly went cross eyed trying to read that
8th Dunedin Road Race
A F. MOFFATT LOTUS XV Llewellyn family, UK
D. YOUNG JAGUAR C TYPE Steffan Svenby, Sweden
B THOMASEN MONZA FERRARI Southward Museum
M GILL LYCOMING still in NZ
F SHUTER FERRARI Dutch National Motor Museum
D. MACKENZIE COOPER CLIMAX Over here - was in Germany but I think now back in UK
P. M. HOARE FERRARI Tony Smith, UK
D EVANS COOPER CLIMAX UK, and for sale
R H SMITH FERRARI Juan Quintano, Spain
L R GILBERT MASERATI 250F Southward Museum
JIM PALMER LOTUS Keith Abbott, Auckland
B PRESCOTT MASERATI 250F Peter Giddings, USA
T E CLARK HWM Julian Sutton, UK (possibly now a new owner)
B BLACKBURN MASERATI 4CLT Max Lustenberg (Austria, I think)
W R ( BOB) EADE MASERATI Josef Rettenmaier, Germany
J FENTON CONNAUGHT Grant Clearwater, Southland
A HYSLOP JAGUAR Lord Laidlaw, UK, but sold last year
H GANLEY LOTUS Ganley family, I believe
J MANSEL TEC MEC Christian Gläsel, Germany
D HULME COOPER CLIMAX Collier Collection, Florida, USA

[Rod Grimwood]

David, just to let you know that Grant Clearwater is now a resident up in Keriekri in the Bay Of Islands much to us Motorsport enthusiast's living up this way pleasure. He sure has some beautiful machinery and he is restoring a couple of cars inbetween servicing and looking after a local in rallies.
I mentioned the site to him at a rally, but will remind him as no doubt he has an untapped treasure trove of information inbetween the very historic cars he has and his achievements and travels.

[David McKinney]

Thanks Rod

If I had the choice of living in Gore or Kerikeri I think I know which one I'd go for:cool:

(With due apologies to my Southland friends)

[Carlo]

Thanks Rod

If I had the choice of living in Gore or Kerikeri I think I know which one I'd go for:cool:

(With due apologies to my Southland friends)

Grimme, trust me, you can take the kid out of Southland but you can't take Southland out of the kid

[Rod Grimwood]

Only meet him a couple of times, but a very nice guy. Must be the way you people train them down south, as meet at lot of nice people from down that way. Might be the water you lot drink.

[Oldfart]

Thanks Rod

If I had the choice of living in Gore or Kerikeri I think I know which one I'd go for:cool:

(With due apologies to my Southland friends)

I don't know! The weather this Xmas seems better in Southland! Good thing Grunta is up here though for the local petrolheads, he is very busy sorting out all sorts of stuff.

[Jac Mac]

Rain, I want Rain, cant stand this hot crap....:)

[Oldfart]

Rain, I want Rain, cant stand this hot crap....:)

Happy to ship it down, can't even paint suspension bits!

[bry3500]

Happy to ship it down, can't even paint suspension bits!
Ship em over to Melbourne OF...we can do Baked Enamel without an oven..39 this week

[jamie]

OLD FART is right it has been PISSING down dont even feel like working on the sports car would be more than happy to send SOME your way bry3500 Jamie

[Rod Grimwood]

This would be one of the worst breaks up here for alot of years, Wind, wind,and more bloody wind, then 3 days ago rain and more rain and still peeing down. rain is not so bad in boat, but the wind at 20 plus knots is not comfortable. No fishing so alot of little maintenance things getting done at home and boat. Give me the 39

[bry3500]

OLD FART is right it has been PISSING down dont even feel like working on the sports car would be more than happy to send SOME your way bry3500 Jamie
Jaime.I hate this time of the year,, Shit weather for an ex Cantabrian living in a heatwave,
off season for all things motor racing,
Bring some weather over when we catch up in March at Phillip Island.
I might have to tap into your expertise regarding !05angria and a suspension set up.
Rod can bring some rain as well , be good to see those F5000s trying to put all that power down..

[CUSTAXIE50]

so the custaxie might appear occasionally you say--a museum maybe-- boyds auto barn maybe- its open in weekends

[ElCoyote]

OLD FART is right it has been PISSING down dont even feel like working on the sports car would be more than happy to send SOME your way bry3500 Jamie

Forget the sports car Jamie, I need an engine for Auckland so put 0n your gummies and get to work !!

[jamie]

NO swet old mate where will you find A Driver 21.5 HP KT comming up Jamie A

[ElCoyote]

5499

Apart from the make and model what other specs did this car have.

45DCOE and D.McK can go back to sleep

[45DCOE]

5499

Apart from the make and model what other specs did this car have.

45DCOE and D.McK can go back to sleep

5514

Same car different coat, think 327 Chev 100e/105E hybird.

[David McKinney]

Initially at least the engine was smaller - 275, I think

[Oldfart]

Was on Trade me a couple of years back!

[45DCOE]

Was on Trade me a couple of years back!

The one on Trade Me was a replica. Images are of the original suppled by cars builder Alex Wilson. Alex also built the replica, there is an article in NZCC on the replica.

[jamie]

Yo That was GOOD it was a BEAST havent seen it for years wat,s next Jamie

[Freccia]

that was actually Chris Chiles junior. Chris has been persevering with that car since 2007. 2011 was juniors first drive. He has been shaming bigger and faster cars with their Chevron B8. And drove a tidy race indeed!

[Freccia]

I see Chris Chiles got 3rd, he raced his Anglia in our 60's saloon group at Amon earlier this year!! living the dream them boys are!! oh well.

Dale Mathers

that was actually Chris Chiles junior. Chris has been persevering with that car since 2007. 2011 was juniors first drive. He has been shaming bigger and faster cars with their Chevron B8. And drove a tidy race indeed!

[Laurie Callender]

Any help with these three shots I have found:

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n590/lauriec2/Motorsport%20History/history7.jpg

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n590/lauriec2/Motorsport%20History/history13.jpg

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n590/lauriec2/Motorsport%20History/history1.jpg

[stubuchanan]

Going way way back in history here, Laurie. Here's my guesswork -

Top picture looks like Pat Hoare's RA-Vauxhall, at Mairehau(?1951?) judging by rural background. Next one is Hec Green's RA-Wolseley (RA 1 - Wolseley special?) at Ohakea I think - the hexagonal concrete slabs don't look like Wigram. Last one George Smith's earlier GCS or Ford V8 Special at Ohakea same reason. Whenuapai still had some of those hexagonal slabs until very recently when they started rebuilding all the runways - must date from about 1935!

Stu

[David McKinney]

I think you're sport on with all IDs, Stu

Some nomenclature issues though. Green's car was never known in period as anything but Wolseley Special - 'RA1' was applied retrospectively around 1990. Nor was Smith's 1950 car a GeeCeeEss, it was simply entered as a 'Ford Special'

All three cars had distinguished South Island careers. The RA Vauxhall became the RA Zephyr and then the 260M Zephyr Special, the Wolseley Special morphed into Wally Darrell's first ACE Special and the Smith Ford was raced in a variety of forms by Frank Shuter

[Oldfart]

260M currently looks a bit sad after the Skope!
Wasn't Gee Cee Ess later too? GCS?

[David McKinney]

The GeeCeeEss (that's what was painted on the side) first appeared in 1951, a year after the car Smith raced at Ohakea in the picture above

[Oldfart]

The GeeCeeEss (that's what was painted on the side) first appeared in 1951, a year after the car Smith raced at Ohakea in the picture above

Resolved for good!
The hex slabs were still at Ohakea when I raced other things there in about 1994.

[jamie]

Hay YOU guys you have gone ALL SILENT JAMIE A

[Rod Grimwood]

Jamie, you must have some black and whites hidden away. Or colour will do.

[bry3500]

Who? Jamie A. What? Steinlager in hand. Where ? Phillip Island March 2012

[ElCoyote]

Who? Jamie A. What? Steinlager in hand. Where ? Phillip Island March 2012

I have had a quiet word to Jamie and he assures me it will be VB

[jamie]

Yes boys off on thur to the HOWL of F1 that is where the action is it is A noise one needs to have at least once A year to stay HEALTHY Jamie A

[Chris Read]

7179
Ok where, what cars and when. Bonus point for each of the drivers.
Photo courtesy of Auto News from.......nearly got me to give you a hint but only Alan Dick would know. Chris Read - Arrowtown.
Ps is AD a member of this forum lurking under a blog name? serious question.

[jim short]

1955 Bira Whithead Gaze Hunt L Davidson Brabham Redex Pos Palmer no9

[David McKinney]

Front row of the grid: 1 Bira (250F), 4 Gaze (3-litre Ferrari)
Second row 2 Whitehead (3-litre Ferrari), 3 Hunt (Maserati A6GCM/250), 77 Davison (HWM-Jaguar), 9 Palmer (Palmer Special), 6 Cobden (s/c Ferrari V12) plus Bira's OSCA

Chris - I don't think AD's hiding under another name here. He doesn't bother with internet forums (though I wouldn't be surprised if he's sneaked the odd look)

[Russ Cunningham]

The evil Sid did start of with the supercharged 3.8-litre Jag engine from Jamie's Cooper-Jag, replaced later with a fuel-injected 4.7 Ford

David,

Probably the thing I'll most remember Jamie for: I know you're still alive Jamie! But who on God's earth would use a Morris Isis as a tow car"? More so, one powered by a Ford V6! The Isis was a horrible bloody thing to start with but why put a Ford V6 IN IT?

You probably deserve a Knighthood but you probably wouldn't wear it. At least that's what your seventeen sons & twenty four daughters reckon.

[Russ Cunningham]

Front row of the grid: 1 Bira (250F), 4 Gaze (3-litre Ferrari)
Second row 2 Whitehead (3-litre Ferrari), 3 Hunt (Maserati A6GCM/250), 77 Davison (HWM-Jaguar), 9 Palmer (Palmer Special), 6 Cobden (s/c Ferrari V12) plus Bira's OSCA

Chris - I don't think AD's hiding under another name here. He doesn't bother with internet forums (though I wouldn't be surprised if he's sneaked the odd look)

McKinney! You've missed one out. The Ford Z: Name the driver and I'll worship you at the Holy Motorsport Altar. On the other hand I might just wait until you visit the "Wailing Wall" and throw stones at you.

[David McKinney]

It's a Consul, isn't it? Owned by Bill Smith
(Well it might have been)

[bry3500]

It's a Consul, isn't it? Owned by Bill Smith
(Well it might have been) :D

[jamie]

Yo Russ on Behalf of all my grand kids I thank you for your kind words,?? And it was A 1956 Morris Oxford with the v6 3 lt Ford went lilke stink but would not stop evan worse with the car behind on the big towey thing, ?? Jamie A

[Chris Read]

Front row of the grid: 1 Bira (250F), 4 Gaze (3-litre Ferrari)
Second row 2 Whitehead (3-litre Ferrari), 3 Hunt (Maserati A6GCM/250), 77 Davison (HWM-Jaguar), 9 Palmer (Palmer Special), 6 Cobden (s/c Ferrari V12) plus Bira's OSCA

Chris - I don't think AD's hiding under another name here. He doesn't bother with internet forums (though I wouldn't be surprised if he's sneaked the odd look)

Well that clears that up for me...The HWM in the photo must be HW3 and not the Gaze/Horton/Clark car which I drove at Country Gents Wigram back in the late 80's....did it have a C/number?. Anyway what a blast with the big jag motor and no seat belts hanging on round Bombay and down the straight nearly forgetting to put it into 4th and still not getting to the rev limit at what I was told was 145MPH with my helmet strangling me with the windage (I'm 6'1" and stick up a bit). The drum brakes hauled it up like discs and into the L hander. All was ok for a while until I tried to clip the Squadron Leaders door mat (as you did) outside the last RH hanger corner before the hairpin. Up over the bump and it nearly tossed me out (remember, no seat belts).
What a blast and will always remember that race and no wonder Wigram remains my favourite. I drove the car later with its Alta motor fitted before it went ot Gillie but it was not the same. Chris Read Arrowtown

[jim short]

The HWM was owned by Avery bros,with a Cadilac mtr to start followed by several others.. Roycroft and Levis drove it.I looked at it at Glen Murry many times but to big a restore for me I even wanted the Bagnal Jag {man it was ugly} really anything with a Jag mtr.was my dream..Tony Gaze had the other HWM sports with a Jag mtr .the same yr Peter Whitehead had the Cooper Jag 1956 the only other HWM was the first yr.54 Tony Gaze single seat with Alta mtr then sold to Tom Clark

[Steve Holmes]

7179
Ok where, what cars and when. Bonus point for each of the drivers.
Photo courtesy of Auto News from.......nearly got me to give you a hint but only Alan Dick would know. Chris Read - Arrowtown.
Ps is AD a member of this forum lurking under a blog name? serious question.

Holy cow, what an incredible photo! Thanks Chris.

No, AD isn't a member.

[markec]

AD tells me he has an occasional look.

[MP54]

Any clue as to who this is? I know where and who took it, I think it was early 80's.

[Rod Grimwood]

Hint - where was it

[MP54]

Hint - where was it

Hey Rod, good old Baypark.

[MP54]

Hey Rod, good old Baypark.

This pic was taken by Rex Rattenbury's son Carl, following his fathers footsteps.

Pretty sure it was on the sweeper at Baypark.

[Howard Wood]

The why is pretty easy to guess, the failure of a composite wheel perhaps. Not an all together unknown event in the era.

[Rod Grimwood]

Thought it may have been, was it a red car (Hustler in the V8 Mk1)

Talk of Rex i need a contact if you have one. Cheers