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LOL! Yup, a stirrer. Only Terry has ever made an issue out of Nigel and myself not labelling pics, claiming that it is 'easy to consult the programme to label pics'. See Nigel's thread!
When people raise issues, they deserve to be challenged. It's what I miss about not being in the workforce these days, the challenges of people just not-understanding - or having to develop and install systems for the betterment of all concerned, especially when they lacked any vision or refused to look at the whole picture, rather than just their area. Ironically, similar challenges to running a race series, where you had to look at the overall picture.
You guys are fine - and safe!
I now have a massive pile to crop, name and file - and reject the duplicates. What has been posted so far from the Kenny Smith meeting is just a few random shots.
With Leadfoot coming up next week, no doubt I'll get even further behind...
Mr Hyndman's Triford Special.
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Ex airline pilot Frank Karl has less prominent wings than Tony Roberts below...
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Before I go back to my own filing, just need to upload a few that were scanned a couple of weeks ago. Sorry Roger, the Healeys are only in the background.
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I have these following pics as December 11th 1983, but if incorrect, please advise.
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John McKechnie
01-27-2017, 03:46 AM
I am sure Spagetti is more excited than the sheep in the background..............theres an Elf in front, could it be his...............?
Growler
01-27-2017, 03:57 AM
If anyone is interested in the UK scene for the heyday of Super Saloons (Mick Hill, Gerry Marshall etc.) and Modsports, add it to your favourites:
http://www.modbase.info/#
We need something like that here for all of the sports sedans, shell sport cars etc...
Milan Fistonic
01-27-2017, 04:15 AM
Yes it is December 11 1983.
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The Laser Sport No 68 is Kirk Stoneman
The FVee No 47 is Ian Foster and the car is a K.R.D.Viper Mk.1
No 7 in the Historic race is obviously not a Lotus Formula Junior.
Spgeti
01-27-2017, 04:17 AM
I am sure Spagetti is more excited than the sheep in the background..............theres an Elf in front, could it be his...............?
Cool Elf John, but sadly not my one......the sheep look good !
...the sheep look good !
Prefer mine medium rare and marinated with garlic, honey and mint...
Thanks yet again Milan. It confirms dates of several other pics that are sitting in the 'not sure' department.
Lance Elliott (Mini #33) resprayed the Allegro Equipe I brought to NZ that got scuffed in transit.
Interesting to see that Billy Apple signed a bottle of wine! I am still waiting to see Billy's restored Lola 212 that Mike Causer and I trailered down from Cheshire, (Bob Howlett/Howman sales or something like that?) behind Mike's 1147cc Mini and some time before it was shipped to NZ! It's a small world.
Alan Hyndman
01-27-2017, 06:00 AM
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Mr Hyndman's Triford Special.
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Thanks for the photo Ray - I look like I'm out for a Sunday cruise! Oh wait, no cameras on the car and number 18 on the side/nose tells me it's the Friday. In that case I was out for a cruise...
seaqnmac27
01-27-2017, 06:50 AM
Theres a good marinade you can apply late in a roast, a mix of Soy sauce, Dijon mustard and honey or if you can find it Soy, Pomegranate Molasses and a bit of Olive oil, gives a nice crust and a sweet/sour flavour, but not too sweet
Roger Dowding
01-27-2017, 06:59 AM
ERC, the Healeys in the background, thanks, I have some details from that meeting - Ardmore- Pukekohe Reunion, but no photos, unsure, [ memory fading ] if I attended it or not. and the Frank Karl Healey is yellow, which helps me with a couple of other photos.
cheers, Roger D
Oldfart
01-27-2017, 10:04 AM
LOL! Yup, a stirrer. Only Terry has ever made an issue out of Nigel and myself not labelling pics, claiming that it is 'easy to consult the programme to label pics'. See Nigel's thread!
When people raise issues, they deserve to be challenged. It's what I miss about not being in the workforce these days, the challenges of people just not-understanding - or having to develop and install systems for the betterment of all concerned, especially when they lacked any vision or refused to look at the whole picture, rather than just their area. Ironically, similar challenges to running a race series, where you had to look at the overall picture.
You guys are fine - and safe!
I'm with you on this Ray.
If I'd studied the programme beforehand Alan, I would have taken more pics for you! The label on the pics shows it to be Friday 20th. If you need a larger file, PM me your email address and I'll send it.
Not sure about others on here, but I really don't mind if people are cruising or going hell for leather. It is just so good to see such a great variety of cars out there being exercised, which is why I usually go to day 1, before the inevitable attrition.
Roger, I think the Ardmore reunion was March 1983 and these pics were December.
Thanks Rhys. Are you able to identify #930/5 for me yet?
seaqnmac27. Sounds good to me - love pomegranate molasses... After cars, food is my other passion -plus traditional jazz of course. Will stick mainly to the cars on here I think, but watching the final of Masterchef as I write this, after hosting a BBQ at home.
Bored with filing this morning, so posted another handful...
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Is this the same Chris Atkinson in both of the next 2 pics? I'm guessing yes, but basing that on helmet make. I know Chris well enough to know he is a very, very competent driver of the Formula Juniors, but not seen him in a Surtees before.
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This #35 is definitely the BRM! (see post #1248, where we are still awaiting Terry's labelling...):rolleyes:
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Update January 29th: Just happened to bump into (Formula Junior) Chris Atkinson at the rather wonderful 'Caffeine & Classics' informal monthly meet at Smale's Farm, Takapuna. Two different Chris Atkinsons, so my guess was wrong. It happens...
Oldfart
01-28-2017, 07:54 AM
Thanks Rhys. Are you able to identify #930/5 for me yet?
That is not Coventry, well not as it is as of yesterday! I have a feeling there is something similar though so will have a look when I go in today.
Terry S
01-28-2017, 11:57 AM
Bored with filing this morning, so posted another handful...
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Is this the same Chris Atkinson in both of the next 2 pics? I'm guessing yes, but basing that on helmet make. I know Chris well enough to know he is a very, very competent driver of the Formula Juniors, but not seen him in a Surtees before.
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This #35 is definitely the BRM! (see post #1248, where we are still awaiting Terry's labelling...):rolleyes:
In OZ sarcasm is generally regarded as the lowest form of wit. I can not of course speak for NZ......
khyndart in CA
01-28-2017, 05:00 PM
Come on folks let us not spoil this wonderful thread with unnecessary comments. If you have an issue with an individual that you feel strongly about, use the Private Message option.
You both make wonderful contributions to this site.
Let us move ahead and "be grateful for what we have and thankful we didn't get what we deserve."
(Ken Hyndman )
Unfortunately Ken, some people cannot accept that a ridiculous amount of time is spent to get images onto this thread for the enjoyment of everyone who likes looking at car pics. Terry continues to take pot shots without offering any assistance to resolve the hiccups that photographers face.
Of the pics posted earlier, #1248, only a couple have I correctly identified so back to the research I suppose. Sorry Terry, but you missed the opportunity to score some Brownie points. By the way, the second part of the quote you also missed the obvious response:
“Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence.” Oscar Wilde
Ken, I won't have a go again, but judging by several PM's received, all others are happy enough, with or without captions. So like Nigel, no change from me.
I have had a private request for more of Dad's pics, but although I have his pre-war Donington glass plate negatives and I think, all the film negatives and slides, post war, he didn't actually take many.
At most of the 1950's Mallory events we attended as a family, plus the 1962 British GP at Aintree, without a long lens of any sort or a media pass, most of the spectator areas were then, and now, not photographer friendly, so sorry, there won't be many more. I do have one or two that I haven't yet posted on here.
Called in at the 'Caffeine & Classics' meet at Smales Farm this morning for a few minutes. A brilliant range of cars there but also huge numbers for a holiday weekend. Extremely popular and a mix of the ordinary to the extraordinary. Just a couple of sets, posted from the laptop whilst watching motorsport on TV3.
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Almost looks like big brother to...
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...little brother.
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Steve Holmes
01-29-2017, 05:10 AM
Mr Hyndman's Triford Special.
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This is awesome Alan!
Milan Fistonic
01-29-2017, 09:11 AM
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Mr Hyndman's Triford Special.
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Thanks for the photo Ray - I look like I'm out for a Sunday cruise! Oh wait, no cameras on the car and number 18 on the side/nose tells me it's the Friday. In that case I was out for a cruise...
Here are a few more for Alan taken on the Sunday. He must have been trying then as he's almost off the track in one shot and he's in front of Kenny in another!
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Oldfart
01-29-2017, 10:04 PM
Ray, I think your id question is the Humber Warwick, now displayed differently, if I could read that number plate I could be more sure.
Thanks Rhys. That will do me! May even make a second visit when we come over later in the year. Great that exhibits are rotated.
A touch of white, red and blue.
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A good bit of track management, filling this trench with crushed stones.
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Neil Tolich said he'd take it easy in a tribute race for the late Ivan Selak, driving 'Bluey'. I'm sure Ivan would have been proud of Neil's win in the first ERC handicap, but taking it easy? Not according to the lap times!
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Contrasts - one of the successes of the ERC Series. Last season's Convenor's Trophy winner (the top award, for sportsmanship) Francois Cronje giving new recruit Bruce Gerring the hurry up.
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Alan Hyndman
01-30-2017, 10:39 AM
Right, one last hijack of Ray's thread with pictures of/from my car showing I was trying a bit too hard on one particular lap.
I blame the bumps on the second half of the DB corner for this one:
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This one was probably caused by the rear wheels getting light over the brow of the previous rise:
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No excuses for this one... yet...
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Oldfart
01-30-2017, 07:55 PM
Thanks Rhys. That will do me! May even make a second visit when we come over later in the year. Great that exhibits are rotated.
I could well have goofed! There are 2 very similar cars, and I mixed them. There is a Standard Warwick and a Humber Snipe, both blue, both artllery wheels, but without having the photo in front when I stand in front of them it's hard to be sure!
Oldfart
01-30-2017, 07:57 PM
Wow, Frans my hero of the Gordini kept that award quiet! Well deserved, the original low budget enthusiast. Congrats Frans.
khyndart in CA
01-30-2017, 11:06 PM
It would be wonderful to see the crowds like we used to have, show up to this excellent racing facility.
Pukekohe. NZGP. Jan, 1974.
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Hampton Downs. Jan. 2017.
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(Photo thanks to Alan Hyndman......;.;.perhaps a distant relative who has been successful in life and not run away from his homeland !)
(Ken Hyndman )
John H
01-31-2017, 12:12 AM
Hi Alan what about showing the whole video as you seem to hanging it out a bit? Chrs
Hi Alan what about showing the whole video as you seem to hanging it out a bit? Chrs
Totally agree! We need a couple of threads devoted to YouTube links of interest... One for in car footage and one maybe for general (motoring) interest.
My all time favourite - Bruce Manon driving Mike Sexton's Escort, overtaking all 45 cars who started in front of him, in an ERC handicap race, Ganley Festival 2015.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J42ayb1Js2A
Ken,
Found this whilst trying to find the driver location. Tried to PM you, but you need to clear out your Private Messages!
http://www.oldracingcars.com/trojan/t101/
Alan Hyndman
01-31-2017, 12:06 PM
Hi Alan what about showing the whole video as you seem to hanging it out a bit? Chrs
Hi John (and Ray), that's been my plan for years but home PC issues (like a dying video card, motherboard refusing to recognise any video card and quality drop off after editing) have continued to stymie my efforts. I think I'll be getting on top of it in the next week or so, but at present I'm using the Windows Snipping Tool on my work PC to get the stills I've posted as my home PC won't even run the footage.
With the number of GoPros I see on other competitors cars at events, there must be a lot of footage out there that never gets seen by the wider public. I feel like there is an opportunity for a historic/classic enthusiast with video editing skills to get involved in car clubs and help club members out with getting their footage to a state ready to be loaded onto YouTube. Actually, this feels like a possible topic for a club technical evening...
Ray, I think your id question is the Humber Warwick, now displayed differently, if I could read that number plate I could be more sure.
Confirmed, by a nice email from the curator. If only all other queries could be resolved as easily.
"Thank you for the email and the great comments. The car in your photo is our Humber Super Snipe, 1935, reg no BWA 360."
Spent most of yesterday evening transferring more driver/car details from the weekend's meeting to my system. Some useful resources around but boy, does it take time.
I have no intention of even trying to build up a full record of drivers/cars over the last 50 years, but dipping into some race programmes and adding relevant information to complement the digitised or digital photographs, keeps me occupied. For future historians though, I'd add the caveat that often the car as in the programme (if they are even in the programme of course) may have had a drivers swap or had to run with a different race number.
When cars get transferred to new ownership, often the links aren't clear. For example, is James Watson's car (Swift DB4) the one previously owned by David Heron?
I remember so well the first Roycroft Trophy meeting, where most of the entries had initials rather than Christian names and just about every Austin 7 had entered as number 7... A commentator's nightmare. Guess who the commentator was.
An Oriental flavour. First pic is left over from the London Motor Museum visit in September.
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Spgeti
02-01-2017, 12:55 AM
Green Mazda RX2 is Ian Williamson from Whanganui, Blue Mazda RX3 is Darryl Monk from Wellington.
Fffffords
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Adam Jones is the cameraman/producer/publisher of the Fast Files that many of you will be aware of. if not, worth a look.
www.facebook.com/thefastfiles
www.youtube.com/thefastfiles
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John McKechnie
02-01-2017, 03:55 AM
Ray- great Historic Sports Sedan action you caught in the last pic.
Morris... No apology for the repeated pics.
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Fitted with a supercharged 3.8 Jaguar engine. Would have been an early contender for a drift championship - until they removed the supercharger.
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December 16th 1984 I believe
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Nev & Glen Thompson ran this in the ERC Series, since sold on and it appeared at Classic Trials, but not seen out for a while.
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Another bit of a mix.
Formula Libre was exactly what it should be. A real mix. Two Lolas and a March. (Should that be MARCH, given the origin of the name?)
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Beowulf coasts to a halt. Thankfully, nothing more than a loose wire - on the car that is.
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More contrasts. 1950's sports car and 1960's. What phenomenal progress. The Elan still looks modern, 50 years on.
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AMCO72
02-03-2017, 05:03 AM
No, Beowulf DOSENT coast to a halt.........Mr Wright might coast to a halt. Beowulf......the car, was driven by his son Peter, and didnt coast to a halt as far as I know. I am not sure of the name of Richards 'new' car, but since buying it he seems to have had a lot of bother with it........hence the coast to a halt !!!!!!!.....got to keep the records straight.
Beowulf in this instance related to the driver's TRS name AMCO! I was well aware of the car Beowulf, having seen it around for so many years. Sorry for any confusion, but I knew what I meant! "Beowulf's Mallock M6B coasts to a halt." That better? Yup, agree, keep the records straight. Like that interloper in Vauxhall car 40 wasn't Adrian Dobbe.
MG/BMC/BL/Rover
Phil Joseph's Rover Tomcat. More variety and as you can't import a Tomcat now, like TVRs, they fall foul of NZ's somewhat strange import safety rules. I could be cynical and suggest they concentrate on the drivers rather than the cars.
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Grant Kern driving well as always, one of his growing MG fleet. He is currently restoring an MGA. He really enjoys this car which shows a clean pair of heels to several much newer cars. There was a very successful T-series championship in the UK some time back and one of the few times I have seen a crowd on their feet cheering every car on every lap!
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Adrian Hayman leads a bunch in practice before a later race tangle with a wayward V8 Capri. The Porsche should not have been out there as it is not part of the series.
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Satin black or matt black is not my favourite paint finish... Zac's BMW looks great though, in gloss black with white pin-striping. Barry Hare's well campaigned Rover, less so.
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Dave Mallin, always a very good driver in my opinion, is really getting to grips with this genuine MG BV8, which used to be campaigned in the ERC Series by Harley Norager. The first car in the series to have a stop go penalty for exceeding the speed bar that used to be in force.
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What was I saying about matt black? Presumably recently back on the road judging by the plates, unless personalised.
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Pretty sure car #321 is the ex Bill Stone Mk6 Mallock U2.
John McKechnie
02-04-2017, 07:54 PM
Ray
That same white Porsche- with a blue one- also came out when it was not supposed to....in the HSS field .
Wouldnt we all love to get so many races for our entry fee
Ray
That same white Porsche- with a blue one- also came out when it was not supposed to....in the HSS field .
Wouldnt we all love to get so many races for our entry fee
the problem with teeny bopper dummy grid mashalls, they lack authority when it is needed just my 2c
John McKechnie
02-04-2017, 09:01 PM
These 2 cars actually showed up a flaw in the system.
It doesnt matter if you are in the program, it doesnt matter if you are not a member of a class, or have not been Invited to run with a group.
IF you go out in any practice session , you will get a time, which will get you on the grid, and can drive straight out. Love to see them trying this in CMC
Sorry 928-The grid marshalls are there to make sure the cars follow the grid order.- they have no fault at all in this case- blame the drivers only.
The grid goes out, cars are racing ....suddenly people say- How did that car get there, who allowed it?
In my case I was silting in my car right at the back and saw these 2 going out with the HSS cars-WTF ?
What was I to do.....get out, run to race control, still in helmet, black flag the drivers?
Too late, I had to let race run and sorted it out later.
How do you make sure it doesnt happen again- Coordinators or their representitives are on the marshalling grid making sure no ones double dipping.
Drivers are ready for racing and not expecting this.
Spectators may notice but its not their responsibility.
Any one want to add more here?
BTW- if you look at Nigel Watts thread beautiful pix of HSS cars you will see this blue 911 on #605
when i ran race cars john you could not get onto the dummy grid unless you were entered in that particular race. this was in the uk where we also had scutineering every event. if these things are let go then problems of the type you mention will happen
John McKechnie
02-04-2017, 09:45 PM
928- thats why I also added my 2 cents worth
we should stop now John, very soon we will have enough coin to go and have a beer
John McKechnie
02-04-2017, 10:31 PM
Nah, only when Ray says its his shout.....after all its his thread.
Also I am sure that on this topic there will be more 2c s
You raise an interesting point here. What's to stop me going through documentation etc for an event and then letting someone else drive my car?
In Australia when drivers complete their documentation they are issued with a wristband (similar to one put on you if you are admitted to hospital-one that is not easily removed and reattached). These wristbands are checked on the dummy grid.
John McKechnie
02-05-2017, 04:52 AM
RF84-Nothing is stopping that from happening- and does ,only if you follow the rules.
When Adrian Dobbe fell over and cracked his rib, he offered his car to Foggy.
As coordinator , I had to approve it, go to Clerk of the course and inform her, before he can go out.
Once that was done he could drive.
My 2c worth! The dummy grid marshals have no idea who is going out for practice and basically, have no idea what cars belong in what group and may not know if permission has been granted for an additional car to do a couple of laps 'to bed in brakes'.
Once a grid sheet is printed, I agree, it can throw up problems and like John, I have been in the same situation where I have been strapped in and there are interlopers. Whilst this may well be an issue in scratch races, we do our own grid sheets for handicaps and usually have our own person checking and assisting on the dummy grid. If not on the sheet, no race (unless there has been an error, which has been known to happen, usually when a car has failed to turn up or broken on Saturday then appeared Sunday.) I don't think anyone has managed to get out in a handicap race when they shouldn't.
For our money, the young dummy grid marshals do a fantastic job, week after week, large and small meetings, in all weathers, without complaint. Yes, the system may need tightening, BUT, the regs normally state that entry to specific series races is restricted to series members and HRC and TACCOC keep convenors regularly informed as entries come in, so that they can confirm they are OK. If they are not, they generally get in touch with the drivers to tell them.
The Lotus Elan and the Ford GT40 replica were both allowed into the ERC races, even though they are not registered members, on the strict understanding that if there was no room on the grid, they would have to stand down. They accepted that, but the white Porsche had not been in touch prior to the event.
As mentioned before, if organisers are going to include series races, then they have an obligation to communicate with convenors, before accepting cars into their grids.
No doubt HD learned a lot, but whether or not they actually have respect for these groups remains to be seen. If the worst comes to the worst, and HMC/HSC, HSS and ERC elect to not support the 2018 event, (and there have been rumblings) it will be a sad day for local Classic motorsport and a lot of really good work getting ever growing grids to support these Festivals, won't be wasted, but may be redirected.
The onus is on drivers to actually READ the ASR's and even though they may tick a box to say they have, we all know only too well that they rarely do. We also know that many do not even know the safety car rules or even the warm up lap procedure!
I once seriously thought that if I added an extra line into the regs to say that every driver must bring the race secretary a small item (wrapped lolly for example) to documentation and failure to do so, would incur a $50 fine, but decided that maybe the area Steward who has to approve the regs, might not pass it!)
In the case of the above, even though John had given permission for a driver change, yes, without a wristband, the dummy grid marshals can only check the car numbers, not the drivers.
Consider also that most meetings are short of volunteers and with a turnaround time target of say 15 minutes at most meetings, getting up to 46 cars checked and in position, especially when some elect to run from pit garages, is a tough call. That is made even tougher when drivers elect to pull out of a grid without even telling the dummy grid marshals - and believe me, that happens a lot more than most drivers realise.
Track design doesn't help as rarely is the dummy grid area set up to cope with a three across grid for example (which we use for handicaps) and being a dummy grid marshal demands a lot of concentrated effort over a long day.
We are so lucky that Deb's young crew are so enthusiastic and I hope that all drivers treat them with the respect they deserve. As a series, we invite them to our annual awards dinner for free.
Back now to looking at today's Leadfoot photographs, to see what is worth keeping, publishing - or saving for the ERC dinner - which sadly, I'll miss for the first time ever.
Sorry, that was at least 4c worth...
Leadfoot Sunday. Great event and congratulations to Rod Millen and his team. We left about 3pm before the top 10 runoffs, but had a great day.
Plenty of good viewing spots but throughout the day, occasionally, you tend to miss a favourite vehicle or the action as you are elsewhere
Steve Cox's F40.
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Colin Buckley & Robbie Shorter. You have to be mad to ride the sidecar, but Robbie really amused the crowd by doing headstands on the downhill runs! Not the best pic but had I known in advance, I would have picked a better background.
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I had to laugh later in the day as at the beginning of a group run, before the commentator kicked in, the Nissan Nismo supporters were chatting with their backs to the track - and the car had whistled past before they realized the group had even started!
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Just a demo run with David Brock-Jest and the Lagonda.
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The drifters put on a fantastic show on the often narrow driveway. Shane Allen's Mustang
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Probably the luckiest pic of the day for me. Uncropped shot through a narrow gap between the trees, of Al Unser Jr in the Southward Museum's 1915 Stutz - arrived NZ 1923.
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Oldfart
02-05-2017, 07:48 PM
Ray, that is a spectacular shot of the Stutz, 20/10
Kiwiboss
02-05-2017, 09:50 PM
In Australia when drivers complete their documentation they are issued with a wristband (similar to one put on you if you are admitted to hospital-one that is not easily removed and reattached). These wristbands are checked on the dummy grid.
We are the "Wild West" of motorsport here in NZ, having raced in Australia I've seen how strict, take no shit and organized they are, you have a wrist ban(as rf48 says) when you go to drivers briefing they mark the ban, when you grid up for practice/qualifying the grid marshal checks that your wrist ban has been marked as he then knows you have attended drivers briefing, not marked you don't go out, they do a double loop ban so it sticks out from under your race glove. In NZ if you skip driver briefing, who cares....... In so many areas of Australian motorsport they are so much more organized, the detail in their drivers briefing is amazing. At Queensland AASA events we even had one way ear communication pieces so the COC can talk while racing(everyone can hear) hence as I rounded turn two at QR a call came though "caution, caution car on fire turn 3" so I instantly knew what I was coming up on, a fantastic system, but there is so much more other detailed they do to make sure everyone is safe and the event flows, and I haven't even got into Vehicle eligibility yet(another day).
When I had the Aussies Trans Am guys over recently, the new additions were stunned at how laxed it all was and how unprofessional the organizing was in general, they couldn't believe what we got away with, and situations such as yours John is part of the a overall problem, but alas nothing will change so we just gotta make the most of what we have before we've all had enough.
The upside Dale is that NZ is seen as a relaxed and friendly place for drivers and spectators.
Even with a Formula Junior Mechanic's armband at Goodwood and able to wander around, I wasn't allowed on the grid with the camera before the Formula Junior race. 'I had a mechanic's armband, not a photographer's...'
Many of the pics posted here from my flagging days that so many enjoy, would not have been possible in the UK, as even if on stand down, flaggies were not allowed to take photographs. When I emigrated from the UK, even for work, it was so much less stressful working in NZ. Classic motorsport particularly, is not F1, is not Aussie V8s and everyone who comes here enjoys it, because it IS low key.
There may be several area's where NZ is a bit more relaxed, but let's not go to the other extreme. Ear pieces for all drivers is brilliant - but yet another cost that organisers will have to bear, on top of a $1500+ hire for officials' radios, which has to be passed on to drivers.
Nothing is for free and putting up entry fees to UK levels with NZ's incomes will only have one outcome. Don't destroy NZ's uniqueness as you may find that resolving one perceived problem the wrong way may well create others. If there is one thing I learned very early on with both meeting and series organisation is that for ultimate success, you may have ignore some well meaning, well thought out suggestions, and look at the overall situation. Choosing the issues that really do need addressing is the trick.
Totally off topic, but we lose more time at Auckland meetings for slow vehicle recovery, race change overs etc., leading to races being cut short, where everyone loses out and I'd put that way higher up the priority list, as it has been going on for years. Manfeild, Taupo and Teretongo knock spots off Auckland for recovery times and recovery systems. (Not sure about other tracks.) Cutting races back to 5 laps from six because of running late?
Again, the European and British race meetings run to the clock, but there is far too much hanging about with nothing happening and the Goodwood drivers got just one practice and 1 race - over three days - but the meeting did run to time!
In simple terms, you have to look at the overall pie and not just a thin slice - and try to grow the pie.
Back to Leadfoot.
John D was struggling with the rare Aston Vantage (the only other one that ever competed was Rowan Atkinson's) as he could only get 2nd gear. Great to still him giving it a go.
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Another TRS contributor who initially made it into the Top 10. What a great sounding car.
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And another TRS contributor who earlier finished in the Top 10. Tremendous effort Paul.
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An EX ERC car, the Tony Lynch built Vauxhall Chevette
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Now if you are of a sensitive disposition, it may pay to skip the next but one, pre-cropped photograph. This is what takes a lot of time. Checking each photograph and applying a bit of adjustment, where it is considered essential.
After cropping
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Before cropping....
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Probably ripe for a caption competition...
"Exhaust looks a bit dodgy from here..."
John McKechnie
02-06-2017, 04:15 AM
And in relation to ear pieces and passing on info to the drivers........anyone remember Wincup at Bathurst being told repeatedly to pit for gas ??????
John McKechnie
02-06-2017, 04:40 AM
Good to see the Zephyr Corvette having a run here.
Ross Hollings
02-06-2017, 06:22 AM
Where do you find the results.........not on google.
Found the top 10 results on someone's Facebook page, which might have referred to Saturday?
However, it doesn't tally up with the final results, so I might have to edit my earlier post!
https://www.facebook.com/leadfootfestival/posts/1367468213305016
Earlier post edited.
Roger Dowding
02-06-2017, 08:03 AM
Back to Leadfoot.
John D was struggling with the rare Aston Vantage (the only other one that ever competed was Rowan Atkinson's) as he could only get 2nd gear. Great to still him giving it a go.
41554
Another TRS contributor who initially made it into the Top 10. What a great sounding car.
41555
And another TRS contributor who earlier finished in the Top 10. Tremendous effort Paul.
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An EX ERC car, the Tony Lynch built Vauxhall Chevette
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Now if you are of a sensitive disposition, it may pay to skip the next but one, pre-cropped photograph. This is what takes a lot of time. Checking each photograph and applying a bit of adjustment, where it is considered essential.
After cropping
41559
Before cropping....
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Probably ripe for a caption competition...
"Exhaust looks a bit dodgy from here..."
A Plumber Checking his pipe work, or as the " Smith and Smith Glass " or in Australia " Novus " guy would say, Show us your Cr**k ..
Roger Dowding
02-06-2017, 08:05 AM
Spgeti, my thoughts too!!, didn't see your comment, was too busy Cracking Up!!
Alan Hyndman
02-06-2017, 08:56 AM
The onus is on drivers to actually READ the ASR's and even though they may tick a box to say they have, we all know only too well that they rarely do. We also know that many do not even know the safety car rules or even the warm up lap procedure!
I once seriously thought that if I added an extra line into the regs to say that every driver must bring the race secretary a small item (wrapped lolly for example) to documentation and failure to do so, would incur a $50 fine, but decided that maybe the area Steward who has to approve the regs, might not pass it!)
I totally agree about competitors not reading the ASRs Ray. A few years ago I added an item into the ASRs for an Intermarque Sprint meeting along the lines of, "say 'lollipop' to the Secretary at Documentation and receive a small prize". One competitor out of about 70 said 'lollipop' to me...
Frosty5
02-06-2017, 10:00 AM
Back to Leadfoot.
John D was struggling with the rare Aston Vantage (the only other one that ever competed was Rowan Atkinson's) as he could only get 2nd gear. Great to still him giving it a go.
41554
Another TRS contributor who initially made it into the Top 10. What a great sounding car.
41555
And another TRS contributor who earlier finished in the Top 10. Tremendous effort Paul.
41556
An EX ERC car, the Tony Lynch built Vauxhall Chevette
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Now if you are of a sensitive disposition, it may pay to skip the next but one, pre-cropped photograph. This is what takes a lot of time. Checking each photograph and applying a bit of adjustment, where it is considered essential.
After cropping
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Before cropping....
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Probably ripe for a caption competition...
"Exhaust looks a bit dodgy from here..."
Careful, there's a crack at the rear!!!
Just a point when you use 'Reply With Quote'. Feel free to delete the attachments that are no longer relevant.
For those who never had to learn the 'HTML' language, a quick lesson on the very basics.
Where it says 'quote', or any other instruction, the word quote is in square brackets. - with an E of course.
When the quote ends, you'll notice that the word 'quote' is now preceded by a backslash.
The same applies to any other instructions such as centre (but spelled the American way - CENTER!)
That instruction to centre the pics and text, therefore ends when it says [/CENTRE] - but spelled the other way.
That means that any pictures are ATTACHMENTS so if you don't need to show all 5 attachments, simply delete the other four and any accompanying text.
Add your comments then AFTER the [/QUOT] label.
Hope that helps. Remember, that you can go to your previous posts and tidy them up!
Example: But with deliberate incorrect spelling!
Back to Leadfoot.
Before cropping....
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Displayed in the car park. Jesser BSA hillclimb car.
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This fearsome looking machine is a Pikes Peak car - 1989 Arnold-Kidwell.
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Peter Jackson's Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. One of several built for the film. There is another in the National Motor Museum in the UK.
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Land Rover Tomcat. It took something like 14 frustrating months to get this machine through NZ's compliancing/LVVTA system after importation... He has my total sympathy. Been there, done that.
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Freightliner Argosy truck - must have been a handful, but he did his best to do a bit of drifting!
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Last pic taken as we left. I should have spent a bit of time wandering the car park - but my ankles were stuffed!
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Grant Ellwood
02-07-2017, 12:03 AM
Quote by Ray - " Last pic taken as we left. I should have spent a bit of time wandering the car park - but my ankles were stuffed"
Didn't fall down down a crack did you?
Nope - but I was exhausted...
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The driver of this Star car, Tony Christiansen lost both his legs in a railway accident when he was just 9 years old.
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The Lagonda was just cruising.
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The Thompsons 1955 D Type replica. Many of you will remember Anne's very spirited driving of the 1906 Darracq, now owned by Rod Millen.
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Colourful Mazda!
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Colourful commentator Chudleigh, not quite as impressive as Robbie Shorter's head stand... (#1306).
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A smiling Alan Dippie had time to wave at the crowd.
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I somehow missed most cars from this group in action on the hill. Maybe next year.
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'Ere, Dad, I think the guy behind might be a bit quicker...'
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Mad Mike put on another impressive driving display.
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One of 2016's stars, Rick Bone, has removed the big engine (2000cc) and reverted to the 1500cc engine. A tribute drive for the late Stephen Harris, our AES sponsor.
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John McKechnie
02-07-2017, 03:30 AM
Good to see another quarter past three competing- 2 door as well
beowulf
02-07-2017, 04:47 AM
I have been offline for a few days, it has been interesting catching up with comments from the festival.
Congratulations to Kenny. He deserved the honour and certainly drove very well. Next year Bathurst! I would have thought that there were still plenty of people and manufacturers whom deserve a festival. Scott Dixon, arguably the best driver NZ has produced. Ford, Colin Giltrap, etc, etc.
I did not enjoy the meeting. Poor organisation, some drivers whose cheque books are bigger than their ability who only come out once a year. I would love to see some drivers being told to put their cars on the trailer and come back when they know how to drive on a race track. I got driven off the track going around the outside of a Formula Pacific in turn one. He had wings and slicks and 200hp. I have treaded tyres, no wings and about 120hp. Next time I will report it to the officials instead of talking to the driver concerned.
The new track I found featureless and apart from the double B corner not easy to find brake and turn in points. But it was the same
for all cars.
On the subject of dummy grid identification I know of several drivers who have hopped in a mates car and gone out and raced. One had the misfortune to break down and coast to a stop in front of the Steward of the meeting!!
The grid marshals do a great job, but all they see are cars and numbers. It would help if grid numbers were displayed on the dummy grid.
Retrieving broken cars takes far too long. Use quad bikes or similar positioned around the track. Hook onto a broken car, drag it to a safe place and at the end of the next race take it back to the pits.
My comments probably haven't helped much, but it was not a memorable meeting.
Beowulf
Peter M
02-07-2017, 06:58 AM
Seeing a Consul 315 competing or even on the road brings back memories to me.Back in the day I was running a Mk one Escort in club rallies and hillclimbs, all 315 Consuls that got dismantled then,the first thing the Car Wrecker sold were the rear brake drums and shoes.They were considerably wider and larger diameter, ideal for a club car. You could set your brakes up on an adjustable pedal box.
Peter
beowulf
02-07-2017, 10:36 AM
ERC mentions drivers not reading the ASR's for a meeting properly. In the Good Old Days (GOD) I ran an Autocross on my farm. I added a rule to the event that at the end of the event all cars entered became the property of R.Wright.
At the barbecue afterwards when the results were announced I also asked for all car keys of everyone entered. A couple of BDA Escorts and various other desirable cars. I think it got the message across about reading what you are signing.
Andrew Metford
02-07-2017, 08:33 PM
I have been offline for a few days, it has been interesting catching up with comments from the festival.
Congratulations to Kenny. He deserved the honour and certainly drove very well. Next year Bathurst! I would have thought that there were still plenty of people and manufacturers whom deserve a festival. Scott Dixon, arguably the best driver NZ has produced. Ford, Colin Giltrap, etc, etc.
I did not enjoy the meeting. Poor organisation, some drivers whose cheque books are bigger than their ability who only come out once a year. I would love to see some drivers being told to put their cars on the trailer and come back when they know how to drive on a race track. I got driven off the track going around the outside of a Formula Pacific in turn one. He had wings and slicks and 200hp. I have treaded tyres, no wings and about 120hp. Next time I will report it to the officials instead of talking to the driver concerned.
The new track I found featureless and apart from the double B corner not easy to find brake and turn in points. But it was the same
for all cars.
On the subject of dummy grid identification I know of several drivers who have hopped in a mates car and gone out and raced. One had the misfortune to break down and coast to a stop in front of the Steward of the meeting!!
The grid marshals do a great job, but all they see are cars and numbers. It would help if grid numbers were displayed on the dummy grid.
Retrieving broken cars takes far too long. Use quad bikes or similar positioned around the track. Hook onto a broken car, drag it to a safe place and at the end of the next race take it back to the pits.
My comments probably haven't helped much, but it was not a memorable meeting.
Beowulf
Very hard not to agree with you Beowulf, especially with the vehicle recovery time delays. Each year I go, and each year the same problems or mistakes arise or are made. There doesn't seem to be anyone looking at how to improve the efficiency of the ruling of the meetings. For the supposed premier meeting of the year, it's frustrating that they can't seem to get such basic things right or at least better. If it was a club event you could probably accept these issues, but not for the biggest event of the year run by supposedly the best there is.
When the likes of HD are taking over the running and promoting of meetings, and especially with the jacking up of entry fees ( not only HD related ), I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a more professional product for your entry fee $. They all say the increase in entry fees is to cover the "safety levy", but what does the levy actually cover that we didn't have before, and how has anything improved since this levy was introduced? Cars out in the wrong races, and people driving their mates' car, is going backwards in the safety stakes, not increasing them.
Sorry for derailing your thread Ray. Great photos from Leadfoot, I will have to get down there one year.
Remember your first ever event? Trembling in your boots, having read every word of the entry form a dozen times; consulted the MSNZ/RAC manual, until you were cross eyed; fretted over being in the correct class, (if there was one!); worrying yourself sick over scrutineering; writing out a cheque (remember them?) and posting off your entry the day the ASR's arrived, just in case the entry was full? (It sometimes was!)
Just had the entries list to date for the HRC Feb 18/19 meeting at Pukekohe. A total of 17 cars across all classes... I also guarantee that the entry will lift by at least 10% AFTER the closing date.
On a different note, Debbie at the Motorsport Club is desperately short of volunteers for this Saturday, 11th Feb, Hampton Downs AND Pukekohe. If you can assist in any way: deb @themotorsportclub.com (delete the space)
Gordon Burr has rebuilt the V8 Escort and was going well.
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Tanner Foust returned after a successful 2016 debut.
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The ever popular Ernie Nagamatsu and Old Yeller, Buick Special.
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The Dick Jones Special (another US car originally) back out again with Bruce Smythe after a long lay off. Bruce said he was delighted to be on the programme with Old Yeller, so presumably, these two (cars) had competed against each other some years ago? *Had a note from Rhys that they have been unable to find any proof of any US history on this car.
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Colourful commentator Chudleigh, not quite as impressive as Rob Storey's head stand...
Still at it ! Chudleigh was actually a pretty fair proddie bike roadracer, including a third in the 350 class of the NZ Castrol 6 Hour at Manfield with Murray Hill on an RD350. A good lad... :cool:
Whoopsies...
Racing Ray's Perana Capri was lucky to suffer only very minor damage after an off between the trees - he put it down to cold tyres and reverted to road tyres for his next run.
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Not sure what had happened here
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Mike Tubbs had a big grin on his face as he did a 360.
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Not sure what happened here either
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No whoopsie here but what an impressive display Ian Ffitch puts on.
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Greg Murphy giving the newly constructed rally Barina a shakedown.
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Brings back memories! Gordon Spice owned the Speed Shop in Ashford Middlesex and as I was stationed there for six years, I bought many of my accessories and some go faster stuff from him. I think his branch manager, Gerry, used to run a Ford Zephyr in the pre '57 saloon's.
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I do wish that replicas were labelled as such...
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Grant Ellwood
02-10-2017, 12:24 AM
Ray, I'm in agreement with you regarding the labeling of replicas, perhaps adding a small R beside the car number would work. I've seen enough well engineered GT40s up here which totally confuse me and sometimes the owners are offended when I ask if their car is a replica ( well, the owners of the genuine article are understandably annoyed)....
It isn't so bad in competition Grant, or when you can get close to the car, but where a big issue is when I snap a car in public or other than at an event and it makes filing a bit hit and miss. I always add a disclaimer, 'That to the best of my knowledge...' I'm, sure there are several car pics I have filed
incorrectly.
Probably easier in NZ than in your neck of the woods!
I struggle with Americana and more recent single seaters - now it is the modern breed of sports cars such as Radical, Nemesis, Mission, Juno etc., that flummoxes me. Maybe if I were 60 years younger, I'd be more observant. It doesn't help if there is no nose badge either - and that goes for old as well as new.
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The Boss... A bit of a contrast from the Darracq.
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Obviously not the Adams BMW 2002 as stated in the programme... Still Paul Adams driving though.
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The Briggs Mercury Special but as I published a pic of it at the Chelsea Hillclimb not so long ago, it suited a conversion to a black and white pic.
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41759
As Pikes Peak is well entrenched in the Millen History, Rod is able to attract several cars that you would normally only see there, so it is fantastic that they ship them over here just for this event and one of the factors that makes it unique. Paul Dallenbach.
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Sandy Mygind (it is actually Andy, but we presented him with a 'Sandbag' award last year at the ERC dinner, and renamed him... A few seconds after this pic was taken, the driver's door flew open so I guess that as it was captured on camera, there will be another award this year.
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Part of the group I missed, on the hill - but I gather it failed to make the top.
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Ex Red Dawson Willys
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Another Pikes Peak car. Dave Donner.
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If Alec Issigonis were alive today, he might recognise most of this...
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... but not this.
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Usually seen 3 wheeling on corners, Rayden Smith also manages to get a wheel off the ground on the straight.
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Stanford Special, well known as an ex-Bruce McLaren car.
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I wonder if the bride also came to Leadfoot?
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Being a bit pedantic here, but shouldn't this be labelled as a Bugatti-Jaguar? Although it has a great NZ history, it has had a Jaguar engine since 1953.
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Bert Dove, best known a few years ago for racing an immaculate Triumph TR3A, then last year, an ex-NASCAR machine.
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My favourite, The Riley Moth. Missed it on the hill...
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Having owned Minis continuously since February 1967, a staggering 50 years, I really don't recognise anything under this Mini bonnet! Beautifully done though.
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I hope they run a strut tower brace on that mini
Oldfart
02-13-2017, 02:14 PM
I hope they run a strut tower brace on that mini
Is it needed? Looking at the photo the loads on that coilover are vertical?? The top wishbone is not much above crank pulley, isn't that where all the other loads will be? The lower end of the coilover is on a swivel on the top wishbone, so I think the strutbrace wouldn't have too much function. Often wrong though.
Kevin Hirst
02-13-2017, 08:19 PM
Is it needed? Looking at the photo the loads on that coilover are vertical?? The top wishbone is not much above crank pulley, isn't that where all the other loads will be? The lower end of the coilover is on a swivel on the top wishbone, so I think the strutbrace wouldn't have too much function. Often wrong though.
Looked well engineered to me, would be very little side load on mounting,toyota 4age with corona F.W.D. box hence lack of oil leaks.
Last batch from Leadfoot.
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Now back to sorting, cropping, naming and filing the Festival pics...
Finally managed to finish filing pics from the January meetings. Phew!
As mentioned elsewhere, a lot of research is sometimes required and this batch is yet another that has been or had been in one of the the 'UNDATED' folders. Slowly but surely, some gaps are being filled in as others build their websites. Just one dated pic added to one website, can provide the key to dating many others, so there is a lot of going backwards.
Identifying current pics is a breeze in comparison, but as others have found out, it can still be very, very time consuming.
Donington UK, all Pre 1983. Dates to be confirmed.
The MGCC T type series - and I apologise if I have posted any of these before. I believe the car at the front came to NZ - for a while - under the stewardship of Neville Marriner, but I never saw it here.
What I find fascinating is that modern Tier 1 races often seem to struggle to get 14 cars on a grid, yet back in the 1980's, a single make series for 30 year old cars not only got the numbers, but the crowd loved it! I'm no fan as a rule of single make/model series but there are exceptions.
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A Marcos owners club meeting by the looks of it. Little did I know back then.
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This is a real mix!
I have absolutely no idea where this was taken or when. One of Dad's old negs, but on sheet film, not glass. I'm guessing its a Bugatti, or a tatty Bugatti lookalike, but other than that, absolutely zero details and very little to go on, so this may live permanently in the undated folder.
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Brands Hatch 1976 and your's truly's only single seater experience, which was totally over-shadowed by a run in the passenger seat of the instructor's Escort Mexico.
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Formula Ford tangle, possibly 1980 but definitely Cadwell Park.
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What happened to the Tuatara? Whenuapai.
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Mal Clark's Zephyr ute (Rover V8 power?) which I think was sold to Japan. Richard Atkinson's plywood chassis V6 Marcos in the background, now owned by Phil Foulkes of Formula Ford fame. Possibly for sale.
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This part restored Greeves is for sale. New seat cover, new shocks, new rectifier and just about all bits to finish it, but most in unrestored condition.
Engine has supposedly been checked and has been kicked over regularly. Still on the UK system with the plate 55 CEW - which is probably worth way more than the bike over there! Approximate valuation of the plate has been around £4000 - if the bike is returned to the UK and has an MoT. Any serious offer considered. Just send me a PM.
I'm obviously not going to get it finished and as it is shared with my brother, who is still in a UK hospital after being bowled over on a zebra crossing in Spain, just before Christmas, would be nice for him to get a few dollars.
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Models
Donington Collection's BRM P25 model.
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There was a time when Scalextric Models were fairly basic, but I have shifted from 1/43 scale overpriced models, to collecting the occasional 1/32 Scalextric Models as they seem to me to be better value and the detail is just fantastic.
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My budget doesn't run to these models.
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Maserati factory 2012.
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Dad's ERA E type model kit.
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This plated BRM model I think, was produced for Marks & Spencers.
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chaindrive
02-19-2017, 10:31 PM
Love those models
Yup. I just wish there were more reasonably priced kits around.
Has anyone managed to get to grips with scanning and then using a 3D printer?
I'd love to do a 1/32 or larger model of the Marcos Volvo 3L but to the best of my knowledge, apart from slot cars of the later wide body LM500/600 and the 1/43 Corgi V6, there is nothing!
I could probably modify a bonnet of the Corgi V6 but the model is also of the plywood chassis car rather than metal chassis and the tail lights are also different. Upscaling with 3D software shouldn't be too difficult after a scan, nor modifying before print, but not many people have got to grips with it as yet.
Just scanned these. Somewhat random...
First 2 might give someone apoplexy. First was probably taken about 1970 and the rights to reproduce these cars is now held by a Nottingham firm. Ironically, this particular car probably still exists, as it is shown on their website gallery, now with a black roof - and my pic was taken not too far from their current works.
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Another rarity from the Donington Collection. Is this still there I wonder? (I'll name them both later...)
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Club circuit Pukekohe 1983
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September 11th 1986
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September 11th 1986
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Intrigued by this pic, as I thought it was probably taken at the same time as the Marina V8, but as this is still in its plastic mount, it is stamped January 1987. That means I have no idea when it was actually taken!
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seaqnmac27
02-22-2017, 04:43 AM
Just scanned these. Somewhat random...
First 2 might give someone apoplexy. First was probably taken about 1970 and the rights to reproduce these cars is now held by a Nottingham firm. Ironically, this particular car probably still exists, as it is shown on their website gallery, now with a black roof - and my pic was taken not too far from their current works.
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Another rarity from the Donington Collection. Is this still there I wonder? (I'll name them both later...)
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Club circuit Pukekohe 1983
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September 11th 1986
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September 11th 1986
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Intrigued by this pic, as I thought it was probably taken at the same time as the Marina V8, but as this is still in its plastic mount, it is stamped January 1987. That means I have no idea when it was actually taken!
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The Bellasi F1 car raced by Silvio Moser, IIRC in 1970, and the Capri was driven by Terry O'Brien ( I think).
khyndart in CA
02-22-2017, 05:16 AM
Thanks Sean regarding the Bellasi F1 car.
Don't you think it certainly looked a lot like the Lotus 70 F5000 car ?
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seaqnmac27
02-22-2017, 06:11 AM
I can see the similarity, without the nostrils that the Lotus has... However, it has a very interesting story behind it!!
Andrew Metford
02-22-2017, 06:35 AM
September 11th 1986
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The Brent Willis machine?
seaqnmac27
02-22-2017, 06:35 AM
Silvio Moser purchased the Brabham BT24 that Piers Courage drove for Frank Williams in the 1969 Tasman series, re engined it and competed with it in F1 in 1969, earning a single point at the USGP at Watkins Glen. By that stage he knew he would need a monocoque chassis to replace the tubular framed Brabham, thats where Guglielmo Bellasi came in.
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Taking the Brabham as a base, Bellasi created a monocoque using the tubular frame as a sub frame, unfortunately, the result was nowhere near as competitive as the Brabham had been, Moser drove it through 1970 failing to qualify for all its appearances in 1970 except the Austrian GP, then returning in 1971, he only entered the non championship Argentinian GP and as a final appearance, the 1971 Italian GP.
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seaqnmac27
02-22-2017, 06:35 AM
Yes it is Andrew
Rod Grimwood
02-23-2017, 06:42 AM
seaqnmac277
correct Terry O'Brien in Capri had nice 302 from jet boat in it, motor duel use. later car was white. oh and it was quick.
Well done Guys. Bellasi Cosworth.
The first pic was of a Mini based kit car, the Peel Viking, manufactured originally in the Isle of Man. Some of you will remember when Jeremy Clarkson drove a micro car into the office. That was a Peel 50. Same company.
Somewhat surprising that the new owners are prepared to re-manufacture. It was never a particularly attractive car in the way a De Joux, Unipower, GTM, Landar or even the Jem was.
Gee. Scanning slides is a pain! Takes just over 2 minutes per slide just to do the initial scan, without cropping or colour correction and often two or three minutes to confirm the date (if known). Going through a massive drawer of slides but I know I won't get too far. Many are mounted in glass, (and have been for over 30 years) so often the scanned image isn't quite as clean as it should be, as taking them apart and cleaning the glass also takes an age.
Currently on the sports and GT section, with about 200 sorted and sequentially numbered, some of which have already been scanned.
Also a pile of unmounted slides - usually in singles, plus a pile still to be categorized.
Still several meetings where the date is unknown, UK and NZ.
Prescott Hill Climb May 2nd 1970
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The John Pope Special 1977 at Croft.
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Cadwell Park, possibly 1980.
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Donington paddock, again, possibly 1980
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Tom Scott, Whenuapai probably 1994. Tom and family are well known to most local competitors as Tom drives one of the FIV vehicles, wife Anna is often Chief Marshal, daughter Debbie CoC, Son in law Martin also often an FIV driver, grand daughters Shiane now part of the race control team and Caitlin dummy grid marshal. Where would we be without them?
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Digital... Goodwood 2009
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Steve Holmes
02-23-2017, 10:23 PM
Awesome photos as always Ray. The John Pope Special came on the market a few years ago. Twin-turbocharged Aston Martin V8. Really an incredible piece of work.
I did a brief piece on it here: http://www.theroaringseason.com/showthread.php?819-The-John-Pope-Special
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seaqnmac27
02-23-2017, 11:50 PM
http://www.johnpopespecial.com/
Along with Ian Richardson's Chevvy Corvair, my favourite of the Super saloons. John Pope was indeed 'Gentleman John Pope'. I only met him the once at, I think, at a winter Silverstone Sprint. It used to be an annual series over 5 Saturdays on the Club circuit, and organised by 5 different clubs. Gave me my first ever class win in the 998cc Mini Cooper.
However, Ian Richardson had been a leading light in NSCC Club races firstly with an AC Cobra, then a McLaren, before building the Chev Corvair (with various CanAm McLaren bits and pieces). Ian's wife Pauline did a couple of Silverstone winter sprints with a Cooper S and at one meeting, Ian drove it. He claimed that as he was used to the point and squirt of the big bangers, he felt that the Cooper S gave him lots of time to examine the scenery and wave to the flag marshals! Nice family, with a garage in Amersham Bucks.
It is believed the Corvair bodyshell still exists, but the McLaren parts have probably gone back into a McLaren.
Great that the Pope Special has been restored and gone to a good home.
More newly scanned slides. There may be the occasional one that has been scanned and posted previously, but a determined effort to try and fully log what I have, which means cross referencing between computer pics, slides and negatives, spreadsheets, race programmes and personal diaries - not to mention some internet searches!
Digital is relatively easy, but the old stuff is what really takes the time.
June 28th 1970. Famous car and famous driver.
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42246
Cadwell Park 1980
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Shelsey Walsh hillclimb. Note the shirt sleeves...
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Journalist Tom Leake's DB4GT
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Ellerslie 1994 - I think. Dating older Ellerslie stuff before I went digital is very hit and miss as many slides were mounted in glass out of sequence.
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Ironically, dating this one was made easier by recognising the GT6 in the background.
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This one has me a bit baffled as to date. Obviously at Donington - which reopened May 28th 1977 and the same car was at Silverstone July 1977, sign written, yet I can't get a real fix on the date. I've labelled it May 28th and keep my fingers crossed that the UK watchers on this site who wanted a pic of the car, can fill in the gaps.
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June 1980. It took years to sort out the date for slides taken at this meeting! Once again, I emailed someone in the UK who had posted a pic at the same meeting on another website and he managed to confirm the date(s) which fortunately, filled in a lot of gaps for me.
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End of the film, hence the strange colouring. Ginetta G4.
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Tim's Morgan - obviously from the more recent digital age! 2010
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Steve Holmes
02-28-2017, 07:08 AM
Great photos as always Ray.
Out of interest, what purpose would the two extended holes out the back of the E Type serve?
seaqnmac27
02-28-2017, 07:30 AM
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This one has me a bit baffled as to date. Obviously at Donington - which reopened May 28th 1977 and the same car was at Silverstone July 1977, sign written, yet I can't get a real fix on the date. I've labelled it May 28th and keep my fingers crossed that the UK watchers on this site who wanted a pic of the car, can fill in the gaps.
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Ray, 2 pics!
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Out of interest, what purpose would the two extended holes out the back of the E Type serve?
No real idea Steve! Maybe air vents from the cockpit, which no doubt would get pretty warm would be my first guess, but as they also have air scoops on the rear of the side window, air ducts from the inboard disc brakes maybe?
The Aston was obviously doing shakedown testing at Donington before Le Mans, so that still means it could have been May 1977 as Le Mans is usually in June.
I have also just scanned a pic of a Jaguar XK150 that Dave Preece was driving, but I remember so well his run at the tricky Curbrough sprint course in a DB4 Aston, where he just chucked it at every bend and corner. Very spectacular indeed.
nigel watts
02-28-2017, 07:58 AM
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seaqnmac27
02-28-2017, 08:54 AM
No real idea Steve! Maybe air vents from the cockpit, which no doubt would get pretty warm would be my first guess, but as they also have air scoops on the rear of the side window, air ducts from the inboard disc brakes maybe?
The Aston was obviously doing shakedown testing at Donington before Le Mans, so that still means it could have been May 1977 as Le Mans is usually in June.
I have also just scanned a pic of a Jaguar XK150 that Dave Preece was driving, but I remember so well his run at the tricky Curbrough sprint course in a DB4 Aston, where he just chucked it at every bend and corner. Very spectacular indeed.
Here, have a spanner, I suspect the issue is dates, the Aston first raced at Silverstone in the 6 hour race, 15 May 1977, so given that, yes Donington reopened for car racing on 28 May 1977, could it not be from an event outside of an actual meeting?
Good shot Nigel!
That is what intrigues me Sean, as I was involved in the Donington reopening, but sadly, as I wasn't keeping a daily diary from 1970 to 1990, I can't pinpoint this date. The May 28th NSCC meeting was indeed the first car meeting and I can't recall a practice day of any sort prior, but there were obviously several people there who look to be casual observers and not part of the Hamilton team. Why was I there I ask???? I wasn't working full time then, having just finished a full time training course, so it could even have been midweek.
That is the problem with colour slides, as with no pics either side, very short on clues. There is some track signage in place and the re-opening meeting was for motorbikes.
At the May 15th Silverstone meeting (thanks for that info), the car had some signage and the rear spoiler had been painted, though no race number. There isn't a race number on my pic, which suggests it hadn't raced at all, so must have been before May 15th and the scrawled note on the rear is a giveaway!
After leaving Rugby Engineering College, Robin became a staff engineer at Rolls-Royce, where he worked on advanced aero engines. However, in his spare time he began buying and selling cars, particularly sports cars, and became the proud owner of an Aston Martin. His hobby became a full-time occupation in 1971, when he left Rolls-Royce to set up his own company, which became a main distributorship for Aston Martin. He even developed a competition division that was responsible for taking Aston Martin back to Le Mans in the late 1970s, with himself, no less, as a driver. The company went on to produce the Nimrod series of cars, which competed in the World Sports Car Championships in the 1980s, gaining third place in their very first year of competition.
Robin Hamilton Aston Martin Ltd (company now dissolved - was registered in Nottingham apparently, though the business was Stafforshire) so was more local than I'd realised and was probably closer to Donington than Silverstone for testing. Later, Robin had designed a revolutionary house near Ashbourne, Derbys. Amazing what you can find on Google... That is another couple of hours of absorbing, interesting research, even though it didn't give me the one answer I was looking for!
More from the mounted glass slides section
Prescott 1970
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British GP meeting 1977. I don't think Bernie would allow any of those background cars into the paddock these days... or the people come to think of it.
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The aforementioned Dave Preece, Jag XK150, Donington 1980.
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Same race meeting, Lola T70
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Kit car day at a soggy Mallory Park June 1987. A lineup of Midas.
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Otaua hillclimb 1995
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AMCO72
03-01-2017, 04:16 AM
Is that our mate Jim in the grey Wolseley........
Andrew Metford
03-01-2017, 05:14 AM
Yup, next to a Chrysler Avenger with Dunlop alloy wheels - rare!!
Steve Holmes
03-01-2017, 05:23 AM
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Ray can you recall when and where you took this photo? Could it be Prescott hillclimb?
I'm certainly no Ferrari expert, but I know these beautiful 225S Vignale Berlinettas are extremely rare. I believe only about 5 or so built. There was one for sale in the US recently which was said to be the very first built. It had Le Mans, Mille Miglia etc history and was a Ferrari factory team car.
Its details seem to match the car in your photo. But your photo would have likely been much later in its life, possibly early 1970s?
May 2nd 1971 Steve - photo ID is 171_0502. Definitely Prescott's annual Bugatti & Ferrari Owners Club meeting. I went in 1970 & 1971 and never even ventured up the hill! No Zoom lens so all on Dad's old Leica. At least I have the programmes for both years.
Steve Holmes
03-01-2017, 05:39 AM
May 2nd 1971 Steve - photo ID is 171_0502. Definitely Prescott's annual Bugatti & Ferrari Owners Club meeting. I went in 1970 & 1971 and never even ventured up the hill! No Zoom lens so all on Dad's old Leica. At least I have the programmes for both years.
Thanks Ray, definitely sounds like the same car. I found it on the Ferrari registry and the licence plate 711 HKR confirms this to be the first 225S built. Really special car, now worth very much money!
Date
Result
Event
Driver
#
Reference
52/may/03-04
as 166 MM/53
9th OA 1st IC
Mille Miglia (http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Victories/Ferraris.MM.52.htm)
Antonio Brivio Sforza/ Pasquale Cassani
#537
Tipo166 p139
FSN Red Arrows p82, 220
52/may - loaned to Pierre Boncompagni alias "Pagnibon", F
"BO 15448"
52/jun/02
5th
GP Monaco
"Pagnibon"
#60
SuR p61 C1 p17 Émotion Ferrari p67
52/jun/10 – Elio Checcachi, Prato-Florence, IT
52/jun/14
dnf
24h Le Mans (http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Victories/Ferraris.LeMans.52.htm)
"Pagnibon"/
Cole
#30
FaLM p16
52/jul/29
dnf
Reims
"Pagnibon"
#46
52 - 3 portholes with chrome rings in fenders
52/jun/29
4th
Mont Ventoux hillclimb
"Pagnibon"
52/aug/17
1st
Col Bayard hillclimb
"Pagnibon"
52/sep/09
2nd
Tour de France (http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Victories/Ferraris.TdF.52.htm)
"Pagnibon"/
Macchieraldo
#17
SuR p56 BSL p96 "BO 15448"
CR3 p86 Émotion Ferrari p78
52/sep/26
Autumn Cup, Monthlery
"Pagnibon"
#131
52/oct/05
1st IC
Coupe du Salon, Monthlery
"Pagnibon"
#26
53/feb/15
2nd OA
Agadir
"Pagnibon"
#14
53 - Returned to factory, engine installed from 0218ET (http://www.barchetta.cc/english/all.ferraris/detail/0218ED.225S.htm) - engine 0152EL installed in 0218AT
61 - Dr. Ian Reid-Entwistle, Cheshire, GB
“711 HKR”
62/... - Aintree circuit at the 1962 British Grand Prix meeting
62/oct/19 - offered in Autosport
62 - John Barlow, Oakham/Rutland, UK
62 - Dan Margulies, London, GB
62 - Paul G. Palumbo, Ascot, GB
70 - D.C. Pedler, London, GB
70 - Brian Mulvaney, London, GB
71 - John Ward, Coventry, Warwickshire, GB
71/apr
FOC Prescott hillclimb
Ward
#23
72 - David Shute, Somerset, GB
72/jul/02
FOC Prescott hillclimb
#144
PH35 p27
"711 HKR"
73
FOC Prescott hillclimb
Shute
#40
PH35 p27
"711 HKR"
seaqnmac27
03-01-2017, 06:41 AM
Good shot Nigel!
That is what intrigues me Sean, as I was involved in the Donington reopening, but sadly, as I wasn't keeping a daily diary from 1970 to 1990, I can't pinpoint this date. The May 28th NSCC meeting was indeed the first car meeting and I can't recall a practice day of any sort prior, but there were obviously several people there who look to be casual observers and not part of the Hamilton team. Why was I there I ask???? I wasn't working full time then, having just finished a full time training course, so it could even have been midweek.
That is the problem with colour slides, as with no pics either side, very short on clues. There is some track signage in place and the re-opening meeting was for motorbikes.
At the May 15th Silverstone meeting (thanks for that info), the car had some signage and the rear spoiler had been painted, though no race number. There isn't a race number on my pic, which suggests it hadn't raced at all, so must have been before May 15th and the scrawled note on the rear is a giveaway!
After leaving Rugby Engineering College, Robin became a staff engineer at Rolls-Royce, where he worked on advanced aero engines. However, in his spare time he began buying and selling cars, particularly sports cars, and became the proud owner of an Aston Martin. His hobby became a full-time occupation in 1971, when he left Rolls-Royce to set up his own company, which became a main distributorship for Aston Martin. He even developed a competition division that was responsible for taking Aston Martin back to Le Mans in the late 1970s, with himself, no less, as a driver. The company went on to produce the Nimrod series of cars, which competed in the World Sports Car Championships in the 1980s, gaining third place in their very first year of competition.
Robin Hamilton Aston Martin Ltd (company now dissolved - was registered in Nottingham apparently, though the business was Stafforshire) so was more local than I'd realised and was probably closer to Donington than Silverstone for testing. Later, Robin had designed a revolutionary house near Ashbourne, Derbys. Amazing what you can find on Google... That is another couple of hours of absorbing, interesting research, even though it didn't give me the one answer I was looking for!
Not only did Hamilton take it to Le Mans, but he drove it over the line, 3rd in class.
More slides...
Not sure where or when this was taken, but I'm guessing at a motorshow held at Henderson and may be as early as 1983. I gather that only about 5 of these locally manufactured EMW's were produced. Again, Google comes up with just a little information.
*March 5th - Just found it entered at Whenuapai 22nd February 1987 and I think I have a pic of it there.*
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Donington, July 1988 - I think...
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Kern's Rd, MGCC Hillclimb, with Vice President Geoff Broadhead in his well known MGB
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The very much still alive Clive Taylor, MG Midget.
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Bruce Heasley's TVR Tasmin was a regular around that time. I think, June 3rd 1989.
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Ellerslie, but as with so many of these slides, no idea what year! I'm guessing at 1994, but could be a lot earlier - or later.
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The Caffeine & Classics monthly meet at Smales Farm, Takapuna, celebrated their 4th birthday with no less than 1100 cars present! Every car park was full - and the grassed areas. They were still arriving when I left at 11am. I walked round falrly early, but should have walked round again as I missed so many cars.
Massive congratulations to the organisers and to Protecta Insurance and I think it was Milford Lions Club assisting with parking.
I haven't even copied these to the PC yet nor have I labelled them.
It was supposed to be 10am to 12 noon, but there were people arriving at 7:30 and as my pics are in strict time order, the first two or three were at 9:30am...
Double trouble on my birthday! Celebrating 2 years to the day that MONZA8 was finally road legal. Unfinished, but road legal... Work in progress. Mind you, had I known when starting that it would weigh so little, I wouldn't have dreamt of towing the Marcos with it. Probably won't do it again either.
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American LaFrance - manufacture Fire Trucks...
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Buckler
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Almac
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Google the number plate for this one...
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42309
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Back to the slides...
Low drag E Type at Shelsey 1967
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The fact that this next group is at Whenuapai but two without race numbers leads me to guess it was the Saturday practice before the Sunday meeting, possibly 1986? Any date confirmation would be appreciated.
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Sister car to the trailered car in #1382. The only 2 Volvo 3 litre cars in NZ, out of the 198 produced. Dave Walker's car now owned by Brian Jones. Always kept in nice condition.
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Jac Mac
03-02-2017, 11:57 PM
Somewhere around 84/86 should be right, Im going by the ex Fahey, Riley, Armstrong, McElrea Mustang which had been restored back to Fahey condition before it was sold on to Bowdens in OZ.
Thanks Jac Mac. I have had to go back to several pics scanned earlier, once new info comes to light and rename them! Frustrating but also rewarding. I'm not a perfectionist by any stretch of the imagination, but I do like accuracy in filing!
Ardmore 1989. How I wish I hadn't been restricted to just one marshal's post for the weekend.
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42321
Ellerslie 1991.
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42323
42324
42325
Ardmore 1989
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Whenuapai 1991
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42329
Stepson's crumpet puller...
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GTD Ford GT 40
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Real Ford GT40
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Milan Fistonic
03-04-2017, 05:12 AM
It looks like some of these shots are from the 24 February 1985 meeting at Whenuapai.
The entry list should help you identify them.
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John H
03-04-2017, 05:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WFZKcYH-uw who is this guy? very interesting anyhow.
Dale Harvey
03-04-2017, 07:13 AM
According to the comments below the video it's Jim Smith.
Dale.
Thanks again Milan. That is a great help.
Not quite sure why the above has been posted in this thread...
seaqnmac27
03-04-2017, 12:26 PM
Thanks again Milan. That is a great help.
Not quite sure why the above has been posted in this thread...
Ray, I would suggest you revisit post #1384 and Jac Mac's reply #1385
khyndart in CA
03-04-2017, 06:27 PM
I found this article on the Phil Rudd Ford GT 40 and being prepared by Geoff Manning for the new owner at the time in 1990. Ted Rollason.
I can scan it in if anyone is interested. Where is this car P 1078 at today ?
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(Ken Hyndman )
Jac Mac
03-04-2017, 08:30 PM
Sean, I think Ray was refering to the post 1389 by John H & 1390 by Dale in regard to thread relevance?
In Milan's programm post Rod McElrea is listed as driver in Mustang #104.
GT40 1078.. quick search on GT40's .com suggests that Claude Nahum, Switzerland is last known owner 2010, car is now painted Guardsman Blue. Claude also owns/races a MKII FE powered car in historic events.
Thanks guys. Yes, the genuine GT40 was with Ted Rollason, great friends with the late Geoff Manning. (Looks like Geoff driving the GT40 in the NZ Car magazine cover?)
Spent some time with Ellerslie Car Show slides and as usual, a bit of detective work goes a long way.
One of the clues to road-going cars is the colour of the NZ rego sticker. Someone posted a link some time ago to an image with colours by year, but that only went up to about 1986.
Can anyone please list the NZ rego sticker colours (with years!) from then until they went to computer printed?
I'm wondering whether or not it is worth a thread, or even a website, that lists events by date? Maybe the Programme cover and entry lists too? I contacted the Ellerslie Concours organisers, but even Stan Edwards only has the years and not the exact dates. I can guess, as it was usually the second Sunday in February and never obviously clashed with Whenuapai. Some I know to be correct as I have my diaries.
For myself, the annual events are a great start but the various circuit events, year by year may be of use. I haven't got time to do it at the moment, but may well kick it off at some stage - unless someone else does.
In the days before transponders and when most race numbers were just allocated, it does make life a bit easier, especially when many drivers were regulars. It just takes time... However, non-competitive events such as shows, it is a bit more difficult. No, make that a lot more difficult.
khyndart in CA
03-05-2017, 04:32 AM
Yes Ray, that is Geoff Manning driving the GT 40 through the streets of Auckland about June 1990.
I can remember seeing this car parked by the store near the wharf in Omokoroa in 1990 as I think Phil Rudd lived near there at that time.
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(Ken Hyndman )
I think, 1983
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42346
Thompson junior
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Thompson senior
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Could be 1994
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Definitely Whenuapai 1994. Note that at that stage, marshalling contact was via the North Shore CB radio club!
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Milan Fistonic
03-06-2017, 02:20 AM
Definitely Whenuapai 1994. Note that at that stage, marshalling contact was via the North Shore CB radio club!
42350
Ray, did you change the colour of your car at some stage? The reason I ask is that in both the November 1994 and the February 1995 programmes your car is number 30 but the colour is listed as silver. You were again number 30 at the March 1997 meeting but colours are not listed in that programme.
Paul Wilkinson
03-06-2017, 02:35 AM
Ray bought a yellow Marcos off Richard Atkinson and painted it silver but that's a picture of a TVR....
Milan Fistonic
03-06-2017, 02:59 AM
Ray bought a yellow Marcos off Richard Atkinson and painted it silver but that's a picture of a TVR....
That explains it. That's Rod Hemmings at the March 1994 meeting.
Yes. It was originally tangerine when first built, September 1970, but Richard Atkinson painted both of his yellow. The other (the plywood Ford V6) was silver blue. Phil Foulkes now owns that car. Both might have been imported from the UK at the same time and there was some dispute over the actual years of build, but I have a copy of the original build papers so it was corrected on the system.
Both Rod Hemmings and I wanted number 30, (3.0 litre 3000M) so I can understand the confusion! When I restored mine, 1993/94, I had it painted silver and eventually went for number 70 on a permanent basis, which occasionally had to be 170, before transponders allowed the series numbers to be carried permanently. I think the early Hampton Downs Festivals, I had to run with 170 as they were not series rounds and preference was given to others.
The day before my 50th birthday I ran with 149...
As an aside, the GT40 was because it was 40" tall. I think the Marcos is 43" tall, but one's nether regions actually sit below the side chassis rails/sills, by a couple of inches making the seating extremely low - and they would not pass the police "4" from the floor test, as applied to the boy racer cars.
Steve Holmes
03-07-2017, 12:11 AM
Back to the slides...
Low drag E Type at Shelsey 1967
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I am enjoying these photos so much Ray. Keep them coming.
This one in particular is just epic. These low drag E Types are such stunning cars. Although registered 738 EUT, this car is the former CUT 7 E Type, the famous Dick Protheroe lightweight. Protheroe ran three E Types using the CUT 7 registration at various times, but this was the only low drag version.
When this photo was taken it was likely owned by Mike Wright who used it a lot for doing hillclimbs.
This is the car as it looks today. You likely snapped pics of it during one of your Goodwood Revival visits Ray.
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Post #993 has the current CUT7 Steve, one of the two with now the blue nose (also CUT8), taken at Goodwood 2016. Due to a late change of plan, looks as though we won't now make the Goodwood Festival this year. No longer sporting the 1967 front indicator/side lights in your pic Steve, and looks to have gained a small air intake duct on the bonnet. Colour is nothing like the original either.
I wonder if Donington are doing anything to celebrate the 40 years since re-opening, May 2017, particularly as it has now been bought by former Marcos driver, Dr Jonathan Palmer! (January 2017.) Might be worth an email...
http://www.nottinghampost.com/donington-park-racing-circuit-and-estate-taken-over-by-motor-racing-firm-msv/story-30052608-detail/story.html
Steve Holmes
03-07-2017, 03:42 AM
Ray, Protheroe actually had three E Types which he registered as CUT 7. The first was only the fourth ever right hand drive fixed head coupe to be built. This is the car that appears in your post #993, painted gunmetal grey with the blue flash across the nose, which was believed to be a reference to Bugatti blue, as he was said to have loved these cars.
The first CUT 7 started life as a road car which Protheroe converted into a race car. He competed with this car throughout 1962, and achieved excellent results, but felt the car was too heavy. So he re-registered it as 636 CJU and sold it as a road car.
He then built a second fixed head coupe for 1963, with the emphasis being on getting the weight down. This car was registered as CUT 7. This car he crashed at Snetterton in early 1963, rolling three times. The car was rebuilt but Protheroe never felt at ease with it, so registered it as 256 DJU and sold it.
In June of 1963, Protheroe visited the Jaguar Competition Department with the intention of purchasing a lightweight E Type. He was told production had ceased on these cars. Jaguar originally intended to build special low drag lightweights, but only one was ever produced. This car, the one-off experimental, was sitting in a corner gathering dust. Its believed this car would have been scrapped as Jaguar cancelled plans to race the model.
Protheroe was close friends with Sir William Lyons and was able to purchase the one-off car. It featured an alloy engine block, fuel-injection etc. Protheroe registered the car as CUT 7 and raced it throughout the rest of 1963 and 1964 before selling it in early 1965. It was advertised at 3200 pounds and sold to David Wansborough. It was re-registered as 738 EUT. It was later sold to Mike Wright who I believe was racing it the day you photographed it in 1967.
Protheroe was killed racing a Ferrari at Oulton Park in 1966, and his wife took over the family business. There were a bunch of racing E Type parts laying about the shop so she had the mechanics build another fixed head coupe which was registered CUT 8.
Incidentally, the Protheroe low drag lightweight you photographed at Shelsey in 1967 was the only low drag car built by Jaguar. A further two were converted into low drag cars. So that was a very special car you snapped that day.
Thanks Steve. Great information. I also snapped that car at a Prescott Hillclimb, 1970 or 71 but it isn't the best I have taken, so I haven't published it.
The Nottingham Sports Car Club obviously had some links as they instituted a Protheroe Trophy. I wonder what happened to that - along with all the other silverware the club owned, engraved with many famous names?
At one stage, the club was one of the largest in the country, due mainly to their super efficient full time secretary, Betty Shaw and their prime bank Holiday meetings at Mallory Park and Silverstone.
Had they managed to secure a track of their own, (and they tried!) I wonder what the club would be like today?
When I took over as Competition Secretary, after they finished racing, in the late 1970's until I left for NZ, I'd like to think that my efforts in shifting the focus to sprints and hill-climbs, instigating their very successful Sprint Championship, ensured their survival and a step towards their current strong standing.
Once again, a request... Can anyone please PM me an entry list for the TACCOC Whenuapai meetings for 1988 and 1989 or is willing to sell me the race programmes? I have pics but no entry details and I can only accurately date and identify a couple of pics based on where I was flag marshalling and knowing that those drivers didn't run those cars in a different year.
The problem with trying to compile any sort of database, meeting by meeting from that period is that most of the cars and drivers are no longer racing, so they are single entries. Easy to deal with the John Hudsons of this world, where all I have to do is write the race number! As at today, 1034 drivers added, but it will NOT be a complete list, as I have often just added drivers of cars that interest me and have no intention of manually creating an entry for every single driver and car!
Prescott 1971
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Ardmore 1989
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Whenuapai 1990. MGCC President Derek Prior in 'MG 500' before presenting the number 39 MG Sports that was so successful, until it was written off three years ago at Taupo.
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Alan Lacey's TVR.
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For Kiwis, the first episode of the new 'Father Brown' series, had a stunning Daimler drophead and an immaculate XK120 (?) FHC and what might have been a pre-war Standard. Always a good selection of cars in this series and other period based series, though the mint and shiny commercial vehicles always look a bit brighter than they ever did in their day.
Nice bodywork...
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Steve Holmes
03-09-2017, 01:42 AM
For Kiwis, the first episode of the new 'Father Brown' series, had a stunning Daimler drophead and an immaculate XK120 (?) FHC and what might have been a pre-war Standard. Always a good selection of cars in this series and other period based series, though the mint and shiny commercial vehicles always look a bit brighter than they ever did in their day.
Nice bodywork...
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This is something I regularly notice on period-set tv and movies Ray. The cars are always too clean and shiny. Commercial vehicles too much so. Also, the cars are often all too modern; eg, if a period movie is set in 1965, all the vehicles seem to be from 1965, or very close to it. There aren't any 15 year old cars with dents and missing hubcaps as there would have been in period. Just like as today there are loads of 15 year old cars mixed amongst the new ones on our roads.
Also, in period tv and movies, way too many cars have perfect clean whitewall tyres. In any country where it rains, this would never be the case.
I'm clearly way too much of a nerd.
Not a nerd Steve, just like me, taking great delight in cars. Full stop!
Who can forget the Midsomer Murders episode, where there was a Concours held in the grounds of a college (for young ladies), but was won by an ex F1 Cooper! (The race footage of it in action was genuine.)
As for the years, George Gently's dozy sidekick Sergeant starts off with a 1964 MGB (the first series was set in 1964) whilst Gently has a pre 1963 Rover. Later, set in 1969, when supposedly skint after a broken marriage, Sergeant is driving a brand new Ford Corsair, whilst Gently has updated to a P6 Rover - registered in 1967! Oh, and that dratted Standard Pennant must have been stalking the crew as it is seen in almost every street!
The last series of Gently started filming in January.
Steve Holmes
03-09-2017, 02:43 AM
Ha ha, thats funny Ray. My wife gives me grief when I point this stuff out. I guess she just doesn't appreciate attention to detail.
Continuity has improved, though. It used to drive me nuts in English cop shows when a car having allegedly pursued a villain across town would drive on-set with steam billowing from the exhaust, indicating the car had only just been fired up on a cold night. Also used to watch period dramas for digital watches and tv aerials. There's still an issue with filming in England with sunlight and shade interspersed in nearly every sequence. Latest boo-boo I have noticed was 633 Squadron, there is a shot from the front looking back at a set of 500-lb bombs being towed down an airport pathway, suddenly in the background a white mini scorches through a crossroad a hundred yards behind. Heartbeat gives the best representation of the actual vehicle sounds of all the old stuff including the bikes. And George Gently I eventually flagged as they won't stop bloody chainsmoking through all of every scene, especially that dropkick sergeant. I'm aware people used to smoke a fair bit in the sixties, but they just won't let up. Makes a mockery of banning ciggie ads on tv....and on race cars.
Yup, the chain-smoking is annoying. I walked out of Friday afternoon planning meetings in the early 1980's, as I couldn't stand the smoke from the others.
The steam from the exhaust is one of my pet hates too. Having watched them filming for 4 hours next door, for what was a 30 second scene in 'Blue Rose', I'm not surprised that vehicles never get warm. (I hope the UK crews are a bit more efficient and cost effective than the NZ crew.)
I am still spending the evenings adding names and cars to the list, which is a fascinating if long winded exercise. There must be cars that changed hands several times over the years but I have no way of linking them. Then there are also drivers who seem to turn up or drive a different car at each event.
Just a couple of samples from the events list. The missing info is usually because it was missing from the programme or I haven't yet found a photograph to cross reference the colour. In pre computer days and handwritten entry forms, mistakes were not unheard of either.
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Not sure of the date, but Lotus Elite at Donington and could be July 1988.
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Andy Lowe
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Puhoi MGCC Hillclimb
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Andy Culpin, Manfeild practice 1990
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'Skidmark' Parsons, Whenuapai 1991
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Roger Dowding
03-11-2017, 08:43 AM
Not sure of the date, but Lotus Elite at a Donington practice day. Could be much later than the current 1980 date attached.
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Andy Lowe
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Puhoi MGCC Hillclimb
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Andy Culpin, Manfeild practice 1990
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'Skidmark' Parsons, Whenuapai 1991
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Ray, seeing the Andy Lowe MGB V8, not factory with that reverse airscoop, when he ran at Otaua in the mid 1980's AHCCNZ Hill Climb, the scrutineer passed the car and the MANZ Steward came to me to object, to the scoop [ as oil could blow onto the windscreen ], I spoke with Andy, and he pulled out his log book and showed the steward all the scrutineering stickers on the car window, recent ones too !!, the Steward apologised and walked away .. and it was not Bill Kelly who was great MANZ Steward..
Skidmark was my Milkman in Mount Albert in the 1970's and we were both members of NSCC, think his cars were a bit quicker than mine
Still a random mix as slides are scanned...
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Nothing remarkable maybe, but this was outside my first house (on the left) from 1972/3 until 1978. Behind Mike Causer's Lotus Elite was a rolling bodyshell I'd just bought, as the 998cc Mini Cooper behind had rust issues, so I was about to transplant the engine and box. Behind that, but not visible, is the 1955 RME Riley.
Of more interest (to some) is the Vauxhall, an ex-prototype police car fitted with a bigger engine than standard. Thankfully the police never bought any as although it was fine in a straight line, in the dry, it was woeful in the damp and had the grip of slicks on ice. Bought at auction by my ex-boss, who flicked it on not long after, for a far more useful but tatty Austin 1800, as a company hack. Apologies if I have posted this before...
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Merlyn GT at Donington.
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Heron MkIV - Whenuapai 1986
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We'll possibly see this car out again before too long.
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Correct (I have since labelled it). Apparently this car is now in Europe. It had me baffled initially but having accessed the race programme, then gone Googling - as you do - it was yet another interesting diversion. I knew it looked like the Ford but also knew it wasn't one, but initially knew nothing more. Always a lift when you can correctly date and label a slide that has been in limbo for a number of years.
Another of the Super Saloon Skodas. I think 1980, Cadwell Park
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Not sure about dates again for the following - but Roger will be happy anyway. Any confirmation of dates would be appreciated, as always.
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I may have posted this pic before, but have rescanned it as I only had a tiny image, but always a sucker for posting any Gordon Keeble pic. As they only built 99, I think I might have pictures of at least 10%.
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Jac Mac
03-13-2017, 04:10 AM
Correct (I have since labelled it). Apparently this car is now in Europe. It had me baffled initially but having accessed the race programme, then gone Googling - as you do - it was yet another interesting diversion. I knew it looked like the Ford but also knew it wasn't one, but initially knew nothing more. Always a lift when you can correctly date and label a slide that has been in limbo for a number of years.
Yes, current owner posted on GT40's a while back looking for info to rebuild transaxle, from his pics I was hopefully able to point him in right directions, never came back to let us know if he had success though, like so many others. Dont know where the other post went, went to add further comment and it vanished.
Steve Holmes
03-13-2017, 04:52 AM
I may have posted this pic before, but have rescanned it as I only had a tiny image, but always a sucker for posting any Gordon Keeble pic. As they only built 99, I think I might have pictures of at least 10%.
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Is that Gordon Keeble in New Zealand Ray? I too am a huge fan of these cars. The styling is very similar to one of my all-time favourite cars in the world, the Iso Rivolta IR 300. Both were styled by Bertone. There are many similarities between the two, particularly the roof line. Both pretty cars. If I had to choose one, it would be the Iso. One day I will own one of these.
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John McKechnie
03-13-2017, 05:02 AM
Both have 327 Chevs in them.
Steve Holmes
03-13-2017, 05:08 AM
Thats right John.
Yup. NZ Steve - and quite a well known car. I think I may have posted that pic before and Roger Herrick responded. Sorry, with 48 pages to wade through, I'll wear that one!
I too am a huge fan of Iso's and Bizzarini's, as they look so good, even if the power-plants were mass market.
I now save pics to a separate directory after posting, so I am a bit better organized. Some of the random scans over the years are of slides I hadn't previously logged. I have worked my way through most of the pile of the GT's that had already been partially logged, but there are still more in the unsorted pile, not to mention single transparencies that were removed from the plastic mounts or never have been mounted as the image was too small, or faded, but scanning at a high resolution and cropping can turn a dumped transparency into a worthwhile one . Time. It just takes time - and lots of patience...
Jac Mac
03-13-2017, 05:33 AM
Both have 327 Chevs in them.
Last of the ISO's had 351c.
Steve Holmes
03-13-2017, 05:40 AM
Yup. NZ Steve - and quite a well known car. I think I may have posted that pic before and Roger Herrick responded. Sorry, with 48 pages to wade through, I'll wear that one!
I too am a huge fan of Iso's and Bizzarini's, as they look so good, even if the power-plants were mass market.
I now save pics to a separate directory after posting, so I am a bit better organized. Some of the random scans over the years are of slides I hadn't previously logged. I have worked my way through most of the pile of the GT's that had already been partially logged, but there are still more in the unsorted pile, not to mention single transparencies that were removed from the plastic mounts or never have been mounted as the image was too small, or faded, but scanning at a high resolution and cropping can turn a dumped transparency into a worthwhile one . Time. It just takes time - and lots of patience...
Actually now you mention it Ray, I think I saw the Gordon Keeble parked on the side of the road in Wellington many years ago.
I recall seeing a beautiful metallic blue Iso Grifo at Ruapuna several years ago too. Its the only Grifo I have seen in the flesh.
Yes, the mass produced American V8 doesn't have the charisma of an Italian motor, but does help to keep the prices down and makes the cars much easier to maintain.
Howard Wood
03-13-2017, 05:47 AM
Bob (Sir Robertson) Stewart had a Gordon Keeble, presumably bought new, during the heyday of the PDL team.
Oldfart
03-13-2017, 05:58 AM
A Gordon Keeble was used for Clerk of Course car at GP the year that Hugh Anderson ran the works Suzukis. It might even feature in my photos.
Michael Clark
03-13-2017, 07:21 AM
Gordon Keeble had a great badge.
I read just last week that the 'only 99 made' story might be not quite right - not by much but that there were at least 100 or so. Whatever - I have seen one (the only one in NZ?) in Christchurch from time to time over the years and it is lovely.
According to another website, there is the aforementioned blue ex PDL car (seen initially with different NZ plates and before those flared guards and Minilites) and a white car. Then someone mentions a burgundy one...
From the other site:
GK1 IT PRO 5y
Car lives in Lyttelton and its plate is now KS92 it is the first of 7 cars built known as GK1 IT (International Touring) and is Chassis #92, the first in the series of 7 ITs built, there were 91 cars in the first series of which one came to NZ new in 1964, my car arrived in 1966.
They were the last cars produced by Gordon Keeble and had a number of small refinements like seating, braking, ventilation etc that differed from the other 91 cars produced, only 2 new cars came to NZ
Warren Derbie PRO 5y
GK1 IT Thanks for the additional info. I recall seeing another at Manfeild in the 1980's (white?). Would you like to post a current photo of the car?
GK1 IT PRO 5y
The white car was the other car sold new to NZ, I have just uploaded some pics of my car as it is today.
Edward 5y
I photoed CZ 827 in the mid sixties in Palmerston North. It was a burgundy one and was for sale at Syd Jensen Motors in Princess St.
imacfii 8mo
Denny Hulme imported the white one. I brought in another one in 1979, (#79) it is being restored. There's another one in the WOW museum.
John McKechnie
03-13-2017, 08:35 AM
When Rick Rimmer had his Healey Shop at Mt Maunganui, I remember he had a GK for sale there....10 + years ago
Here you are Steve. Snapped outside the garage three doors away from home. 'Chick' Wheelhouse converted what was just a petrol station and service garage into a second-hand car showroom. He was a very smart cookie, who knew that if he put an exotic out front, people would stop. I posted pics previously of a Gordon Keeble and possibly a Lamborghini Muira, that were real attractions.
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Testing colours immediately before the full restoration, 1993/94. Still on the original 13" Cosmic wheels - now safely stored in the garage. Chris Watson's low flying TR8 just to the right.
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A mix as slides are picked out of the pile and as some had already been partially sorted, a batch of Austin Healeys is inevitable.
Ian Richardson's Chev Corvair - using a borrowed camera (with cruddy Fuji film) this was the first time I'd ever managed to use a camera with a longer lens than standard.
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Probably 1977 but definitely Donington.
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Donington again, 1980
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Note to Terry S. it took almost an hour to get this one pic in a fit state to upload as it just wouldn't scan properly, probably as the plastic slide holder was somewhat out of shape and the slide wouldn't sit flat, which distorted the image. After 3 scans, I removed it from the plastic and mounted it in glass.
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Western Springs, probably November 1992.
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Steve Holmes
03-16-2017, 12:55 AM
Here you are Steve. Snapped outside the garage three doors away from home. 'Chick' Wheelhouse converted what was just a petrol station and service garage into a second-hand car showroom. He was a very smart cookie, who knew that if he put an exotic out front, people would stop. I posted pics previously of a Gordon Keeble and possibly a Lamborghini Muira, that were real attractions.
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Testing colours immediately before the full restoration, 1993/94. Still on the original 13" Cosmic wheels - now safely stored in the garage. Chris Watson's low flying TR8 just to the right.
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Fantastic Ray! And a couple of beautiful Bizzarrini's thrown in for good measure.
Ray, did you go to any shellsport F5000 or aurora series meetings in the UK?
928. From memory, I went to one or two Mallory Park F5000 meetings and one at Brands Hatch April 1971.
Guessing the year - again...
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Ellerslie, but can anyone please give me the year?
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1994 Whenuapai
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John McKechnie
03-17-2017, 05:15 AM
Fine pic of Kirk Benges XB Coupe sliding at Hamilton road race.
Rear wing is set correctly as is the angle.....eh Dale ????
Once again, apologies if any have been posted before.
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Found the date for this - which is the same as for the Healey and EMW - 16th July 1983. Berkeley and not the locally built Ibis.
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Still a mix as slides are scanned. Researching old race programmes has certainly cemented some dates - and made me change others!
The Lotus 88 looks decidedly odd without the front wings we now take for granted.
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Two NZ built Robertson Lotus 11 replicas, Ardmore 1989.
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Whittaker's practice day 1990 - the only time I ever managed to get trackside...
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Adrian Whapham MARCH 722. (I put that in upper case as it was the initial letters of the founders of MARCH...)
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I had a query on this one for years, but it appears to be Rhubarb 3, 1991 at Whenuapai, and I suspect, Saturday practice.
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Chris Watson, Whenuapai 1994.
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Oldfart
03-22-2017, 04:31 AM
Onee of those Robertson cars was in my shed until just before I left NZ in December.
Steve Holmes
03-22-2017, 06:34 AM
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Is this you Oldfart?
I think that is Bruce Sutcliffe Steve.
Saw the Robertson at your place Oldfart. Couldn't believe how lightweight that fibreglass was.
Just having a go at the 1994 Hamilton Street race programme. Adding a few more drivers/cars to the database. Oh dear. Someone didn't do a very good job of the final proof of the master entry list in driver alphabetical order... According to that particular list, Kirk Benge's Falcon is 1964 and 1584cc.
khyndart in CA
03-22-2017, 06:27 PM
Here is one showing "Oldfart"at speed at Hampton Downs. Roycroft Trophy historic meet in 2013.
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Rhys at speed in his Austin Seven Special.
"Classic Driver" April 3013. photo.
(Ken H.)
Oldfart
03-22-2017, 06:47 PM
No Steve, I didn't have a Mark 5/6 in NZ, (I do have one here in the UK now) I think "at speed" for my driving is a bit of an exaggeration though.;)
I wish I had a programme for this event as I took quite a few photographs. I'm assuming July 19th 1980.
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Saturday, Nisan Mobil December 1989. I posted a pic previously of the #2 car.
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Sunday 10th.
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I'm not sure what this is, but looks as though it is at Ellerslie, but no idea what year either. Either 1989 or 1990 at a guess.
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Car and driver isn't a problem, but at an MG Hillclimb, from memory, round about the Hauraki Plains, possibly up behind the Red Fox Tavern but I'd appreciate the location and the date if anyone can help.
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Oldfart
03-23-2017, 10:18 AM
NZ2599 is an Alfavee, kit car made in Whangarei with VW beetle "stuff".
The Lotus 30 (?) helmet looks a bit modern for 1980 I thought??
Jac Mac
03-23-2017, 08:39 PM
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The Lotus 30 (?) helmet looks a bit modern for 1980 I thought??
When I worked at Charlton Auto Woody was importing full face helmets from ~1973 onwards. xtra, Gurney had one at 1968 Indy 500, Google suggests first made in 1967.
John McKechnie
03-23-2017, 09:25 PM
In 1974, I had a BELL full face .
Oldfart
03-23-2017, 09:39 PM
OK, wrong again!
Thanks Rhys.
May 1970... I think that is one of the earliest pics I have of a driver wearing a full face helmet. Not the sharpest or best of pics unfortunately. Ulf Norinder
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Another not so good pic. Part of the problem with having to set the distance before shooting - and it was probably accelerating hard! September 1970
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Brands Hatch April 1971, Howden Ganley is still in an open face but the driver behind is wearing a full face.
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khyndart in CA
03-24-2017, 12:29 AM
I remember Bruce had just started wearing a full face helmet in May / June 1970.
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I think that is Brian Redman in the first McLaren M18 F 5000 car behind Howden in the previous post wearing the full face helmet.
(Ken Hyndman )
first full face helmet I saw was worn by Ron Grable at Bay Park when he drove the spectre. that was a Bell Star. cannot remember which year
This link re the 50th anniversary (2016) of full-face Bell Helmets is interesting:
[URL="http://amcn.com.au/editorial/8455[/URL]
Thanks Kenz. There is a square closing bracket missing from the above link.
Legends - Hampton Downs - practice, March 25th.
So good to see this car back on track.
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It may say Vauxhall, but we all know it isn't a Vauxhall V8!..
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Pete Bromley had electrical issues and although going OK here in practice, missed the first race on Sunday.
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Apparently Keith Hamnett had an oil line come adrift in Saturday's race and didn't run Sunday.
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Under 2 litre BMW's includes Minis. Good move. Programme states 'David John', but a young (very young) protege at the wheel. One of the few drivers who could physically look up to Ray Williams...
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Gordon Legge, now taking an active role in the organizational side of motorsport. BMW E36.
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John McKechnie
03-26-2017, 09:14 AM
The gold and white Capri V8 of Rob Brerrigan- in the above pic- has a longer history than we thought.
Rob got it off Bob Grove who presented it as it is now, and had run it for some years.
I looked at the 3 log books that Rob got with the car, turned out it was built in 1993 with a 5000 cc V8
One owner was a B. Chambers
The late Jeff Cooley owned it, was no. 79, had Dave Ward Towing on the front guard
#832 of Historic Sport Sedan thread shows it running at Taupo in 1998 with usual suspects Graham Barnes, Neil Deighton, John Learmonth, Roger Davis, my Torana V8 ,even Dale Mathers was there in my old Mustang Fastback
He -possibly-sold it to a dentist called Babb,who raced it for a year.
then Bob Grove got it.
So here is another car from the past that disappeared and has returned.
If anyone has anymore info on this car please let me know
Interesting. Mark Babb, a tidy racer himself, brought a Capri over from the UK (not a V8). I have a photo of it on the PC. The Berrgren car did run with us once with Bob Grove, but I never saw Mark Babb race it. Rob was disappointed when Ray Williams bought the Neil Tolich Capri!
As someone said to me today, 'Roaring Season can get quite addictive...'
John McKechnie
03-26-2017, 10:36 AM
Thanks Ray, will keep an open mind on possible ownership of that name which is not confirmed,, which is why input is so important here.
Can anyone please identify this? Taken at a Silverstone midweek session in early 1977 and on the same day as the de Cadanet Lola and the F1 Brabham posted earlier. Howard may know!
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The very last F1 BRM though sadly, it never raced in a GP. Built as a Jordan-BRM, the P230.
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The Arnott, seen here at Whenuapai. I think, 1990.
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Whenuapai 1995
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It wasn't allowed to happen under Bernie's reign, but de Beaufort's Porsche was totally outclassed in F1, yet added colour and variety. My support for larger grids is well known and I'm sure that despite the 107% rule (or is it 105%?), I believe F1 needs larger grids. Part of the reason for the decline in spectator support over the last couple of decades has been the smaller grids. It may not be apparent on TV, but it certainly is if you have paid to attend.
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I'm now dismantling the glass slides, to clean the glasses before scanning and also trying to identify which sets were taken on the same day! I know the above BRM pic was from an early visit, maybe even as early as the 1970's, (it opened 1973) as the BRM's were later grouped alongside the Vanwall collection.
Some Kodak slide film had a code number at the top which makes that part easier, but others had no markings at all, which may mean it was stock film from Dad!
Makes a slow job even slower... Sooner or later, I'm going to have to just give in and put an approximate date, but I may come across a slide with the same markings that will fix a date. I live in hope.
June 1976 Mike Wilds driving a Shadow DN3 in the 'F5000' race at Mallory Park. It was open to large engined cars but up to 5000cc.
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Martin Pearson's well travelled Datsun Cherry. As Martin lived on the south coast, it must have been one hell of a journey up to Cadwell Park. I did post a similar pic on the grid at Donington. Due to the day's duties, I often didn't get the opportunity to get any action shots and despite Martin supporting many meetings, I never once managed one.
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I believe this is a Mistron, and at Pukekohe, but I have no date. Early 1980's.
* See following post*
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One of the Curborough sprint regulars, John Stonard in his Pirahna - though it may have had more well known origins.
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You may have noticed that cleaning the slide glasses has improved the quality somewhat!
Spgeti
03-27-2017, 05:29 AM
It is a Ching made by Noel Ching. One of the other threads has details of the history.
Steve Holmes
03-27-2017, 07:28 AM
Can anyone please identify this? Taken at a Silverstone midweek session in early 1977 and on the same day as the de Cadanet Lola and the F1 Brabham posted earlier. Howard may know!
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The very last F1 BRM though sadly, it never raced in a GP. Built as a Jordan-BRM, the P230.
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The Arnott, seen here at Whenuapai. I think, 1990.
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Whenuapai 1995
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It wasn't allowed to happen under Bernie's reign, but de Beaufort's Porsche was totally outclassed in F1, yet added colour and variety. My support for larger grids is well known and I'm sure that despite the 107% rule (or is it 105%?), I believe F1 needs larger grids. Part of the reason for the decline in spectator support over the last couple of decades has been the smaller grids. It may not be apparent on TV, but it certainly is if you have paid to attend.
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I'm now dismantling the glass slides, to clean the glasses before scanning and also trying to identify which sets were taken on the same day! I know the above BRM pic was from an early visit, maybe even as early as the 1970's, (it opened 1973) as the BRM's were later grouped alongside the Vanwall collection.
Some Kodak slide film had a code number at the top which makes that part easier, but others had no markings at all, which may mean it was stock film from Dad!
Makes a slow job even slower... Sooner or later, I'm going to have to just give in and put an approximate date, but I may come across a slide with the same markings that will fix a date. I live in hope.
The Jordan BRM is a pretty car. Does it still exist?
Steve Holmes
03-27-2017, 07:30 AM
June 1976 Mike Wilds driving a Shadow DN3 in the 'F5000' race at Mallory Park. It was open to large engined cars but up to 5000cc.
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Mike Wilds is still racing to this day. He has been a long-time historic racer. This is a really neat shot.
The only confirmed date here is the first one!
Remus. Donington April 15th 1979
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Now I know what this is, but does anyone else?
*Well, I thought I knew until I googled it and found no matching images!
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Undated Donington
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4WD 1964 BRM
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Ellerslie, date unknown - along with many other Ellerslie pics. The weather may be a bit of a clue when compared to other pics.
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Oldfart
03-28-2017, 09:34 AM
Well Ray, I can't get beyond either Formula 4 or one of the new breed 500s on that.
It appeared at Curborough just once, as a demo, but was definitely some sort of junior class. I had it noted as a Barnard initially, but the Barnard juniors were quite dumpy, whereas this looked extremely smart and sleek. I have no idea of the power unit but as it had race numbers, plus other decals, I assume it was part of a junior race class of some sort that was already running.
I did try several internet searches but got nowhere. It must have been before 1983, but there is nothing in that pic to tie it into anything else. As luck would have it, or not, I can't even tie the slide number to any specific film as yet either.
frans
03-28-2017, 10:32 AM
Ray, I think it is a Formula M.
It took off in South Africa many years ago, early 70s and it is still raced there. Not sure if it spread to other countries as well but you can Google it and see the later models.
Francois.
Paul Wilkinson
03-28-2017, 10:37 AM
Lystonian 73c?
Brilliant! Thanks for that Paul. I came across this when googling and dismissed it as it looked more like a full size car!
"Reminiscent of the F1 cars of the early '70s, the two-thirds scale Lystonia junior single-seaters were a development of the Jomoro marque, and both makes were the work of Jim Morgan and other former employees of Alan Mann Racing. Of unique design, the Lystonia featured a steel monocoque tub and fibreglass bodywork. The suspension was independent by rose-jointed wishbones all round. Powerplants were to choice, and ranged from mild 6hp Briggs & Stratton engines to full-house 250cc Bultaco units. A total of 14 Lystonias are thought to have been completed before funds ran dry. The example offered is chassis No.006, which is powered by a 125cc Yahama engine. This stunning-looking mini-racer was extensively restored by the vendor (a very successful speed hillclimber) for his daughter, and features Bright Orange bodywork teamed with a Black seat."
http://www.handh.co.uk/buy/1973-lystonia-73c-single-seater/11853
Expected to fetch between 5,000 - 6,000GBP... H & H Classics The mirrors seem to have disappeared!
Another gap in the slide collection successfully sealed, thanks to TRS.
Silverstone sprint series, early 1970's. These used to be run by 5 different clubs on five consecutive weekends around November. They consisted of 2 laps of the old club circuit - once the fog had lifted... No details of date or driver as yet.
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At the Donington reopening in May 1977, there was a legal challenge from the local ramblers claiming they had access to Starkey's bridge or similar and across the track, which meant that there could not be any racing, however, the NSCC managed to get a legal judgement at the 11th hour to say that it could be run as a 'Trial', meaning that no single-seaters could run. The Frazer Nash's managed to get around this somehow and did run.
The damage was done and what should have been a huge meeting with a load of spectators, fizzled through a lack of spectators who had been put off due to the advance publicity. The sponsors, Else of Codnor, Lotus agents took a huge hit.
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Den's Maestro Turbo...
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More early shots from the Donington Collection.
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Note the Cosworth 4WD behind the Ferguson - which has now been returned to the Rolt family. I wonder if the Donington collection will ever be boosted by more loan cars and back to its former glory, as it is a pale shadow of what it once was. Many unique cars were sold off and loan cars removed when the track nearly fell over as Kevin Wheatcroft struggled to get the track back to its former glory.
It was those unique older cars that made the museum so special, as two halls of McLarens and Williams never really appealed to me. I'm not sure how many of those have gone back to Williams and McLaren either, as both have their own historic collections.
If anyone has been within the last 18 months, for the first time, I'd be very interested to hear their impressions.
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khyndart in CA
03-29-2017, 12:18 AM
Ray,
That is a neat museum collection with the 1969 Cosworth 4WD F1 car in the corner, the 1961 Ferguson P99 4wd plus the Cooper Bristol like Mike Hawthorn raced.
Where was that display ?
Thanks for all your sharing, you spoil us.
Ken H
seaqnmac27
03-29-2017, 12:25 AM
Thanks Rhys.
May 1970... I think that is one of the earliest pics I have of a driver wearing a full face helmet. Not the sharpest or best of pics unfortunately. Ulf Norinder
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Another not so good pic. Part of the problem with having to set the distance before shooting - and it was probably accelerating hard! September 1970
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Brands Hatch April 1971, Howden Ganley is still in an open face but the driver behind is wearing a full face.
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Is the Lotus Dave Walker?
Donington Museum Ken.
Yes Sean, Dave Walker driving. Bev Bond drove the sister car - Lotus 59's 997cc #35
Another mix of mainly undated:
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National Motor Museum at Beaulieu, 1987
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Had a request from the UK for more Mini pics, but sorry Tina, this is a NZ one, so I'll try and dig out some UK ones. Pretty in pink...
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Mike Peterson's Rover Vitesse, Taupo 2004, one of the last non-digital days.
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A mix of dated and still to be dated, from the slides pile.
Carlos Pace Mallory Park September 29th 1970
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Jody Scheckter retiring from the British GP at Silverstone 1977
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After a lot of diary searching, film ID matching and eventually, I could pin this Donington Museum visit down to 22nd July 1988. Having done that, I was able to date and therefore log and file a small pile
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But this visit was probably much earlier, well before the dedicated Vanwall display. Reading Tony Brook's Excellent book, 'Poetry in Motion', it seems that Tony Vandervell stuck with the front engine Vanwalls instead of making a determined effort with this, the rear engine car. Shame.
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Frank Sytner in an as yet undated Mallory Park meeting. I'll get there eventually... A google search showed this to be a Dulon and another link with the music industry - Uriah Heep's keyboard player. Probably 1976.
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John McKechnie
04-02-2017, 02:02 AM
Very eavy, very umble ,ain it...great keyboard player. It is neat to see these artists racing-such as our man Nick from Pink Floyd doing Le Mans.
I was never into heavy metal, so apart from knowing the name 'Uriah Heep', it would never have registered with me! Chris Barber, yes. Mark Knopfler yes - and several more, but my musical tastes never covered Pink Floyd either. Sorry John - but I do have the two Mark Hales/Nick Mason books.
Another mixed bag from previously unlogged slides - except for the last one, which is digital.
The late Gunnar Nilssen with Tom Wheatcroft at the Donington reopening May 1977.
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Formula Junior Lola, July 1988
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The remains of the late David Purley's Lec after slamming into the Silverstone scenery. From memory, his survival from this crash made it into the Guinness Book of Records, due to the calculated G-forces he experienced. He later lost his life in an aircraft accident.
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Pukekohe December 1989
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Mark Babb's ex UK Capri - with Mark... January 2006.
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Mark Fiddyment
04-04-2017, 10:09 AM
From Wikipedia:
David Charles Purley, GM (26 January 1945 – 2 July 1985) was a British racing driver born in Bognor Regis, West Sussex, who participated in 11 Formula One World Championship Grands Prix, debuting at Monaco in 1973.
Purley is best known for his actions at the 1973 Dutch Grand Prix,[1] where he abandoned his own race and attempted to save the life of fellow driver Roger Williamson, whose car was upside down and on fire following a serious accident. Purley was awarded the George Medal for his courage in trying to save Williamson, who suffocated in the blaze.
During pre-qualifying for the 1977 British Grand Prix Purley sustained multiple bone fractures after his car's throttle stuck open and he crashed into a wall. His deceleration from 173 km/h (108 mph) to 0 in a distance of 66 cm (26 in) is one of the highest G-loads survived in a crash. He scored no championship points during his Formula One career. He died in a plane crash, having retired from motorsport and taken up aerobatics, in 1985.
He survived an estimated 179.8 g. This was the highest measured g-force ever survived by a human being (until in 2003, Kenny Bräck's crash violence recording system measured 214 g). Purley suffered multiple fractures to his legs, pelvis and ribs.
More from the pile of slides... Once upon a time, unless you managed to fill the frame, paying for a 'selective enlargement' print was prohibitively expensive, so many slides were not worth showing or sticking into glass mounts. Although I get a bit frustrated at times with my scanner's rather iffy focussing, I can 'selectively scan' or crop before scanning, which often gives an acceptable image from slides that had lived for 30 years in a reject pile.
Many of those posted recently are from that category, but whereas earlier mounted slides had been logged, these hadn't, hence the sketchy information. But, judging by all the PMs I get, many are appreciated for the diversity or just a snapshot into history, even if many are from the UK. Apologies once again if any have been posted previously when I just dipped into the pile and scanned them. I now I keep a record of posted images, but it wasn't always so.
In six week's time, we are away, yes, again, so nothing will be posted for a couple of months as there are no car visits planned.
Another from the British GP display in 1977. Probably one of the cars I'd most like to drive. Fat chance... Lola T70 GT
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1980 - I think
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Ardmore 1989 when we still had various Lotuses running regularly.
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Terrapin at Shelsey Walsh 1967
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John Watson in the Brabham Alfa at the British GP 1977. Even in those days, the wire fencing was a real pain, but I doubt I'd ever get anywhere near a hospitality suite these days! At that time, I had recently finished retraining and had only been back on a regular income for a month, so I only took a few pics. Times were very tough with a mortgage to pay...
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Donington July 1980.
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Ardmore 1989 - by a process of elimination and film matching!
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Diane Sharp (then a local in Hamilton) with her Ford V6 engine Marcos, that started life as a V4. This car was eventually sold at auction, but the owner died not too long afterwards. I have been in touch with his widow, but not recently. A little reclusive...
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Roger Dowding
04-07-2017, 04:00 AM
Terrapin at Shelsey Walsh 1967
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John Watson in the Brabham Alfa at the British GP 1977. Even in those days, the wire fencing was a real pain, but I doubt I'd ever get anywhere near a hospitality suite these days! At that time, I had recently finished retraining and had only been back on a regular income for a month, so I only took a few pics. Times were very tough with a mortgage to pay...
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Donington July 1980.
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Ardmore 1989 - by a process of elimination and film matching!
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Diane Sharp (then a local in Hamilton) with her Ford V6 engine Marcos, that started life as a V4. This car was eventually sold at auction, but the owner died not too long afterwards. I have been in touch with his widow, but not recently. A little reclusive...
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Ray, is that a Hawke beside the Marcos, looks like the right body ..
Can't find the race programme Roger!
Porsches...
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A little out of focus, but this may have been about the time the Lighting Direct colour scheme hit the track.
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Wollaton Park Nottingham, year as yet unknown.
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Clive Taylor at the as yet undated MG Hillclimb about 1990/91?
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Anyone know the name of this special? Date not known either, nor location.
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Some say he was the model for the Rover Viking logo... (Frank Lockhart - far left)
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Would this number plate be allowed in NZ? Sister car to the well known 'BUMBLE', that our own John Hudson of BMW fame has been known to have worked on in recent times. Cadwell Park probably 1980.
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Was this car eventually finished? Taken at the Henderson indoor motor show 1983. Rover V8 power.
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Not sure of the year, but possibly a TACCOC practice day.
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Whenuapai, but date still to be established.
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Croft 1977 - as far as I can tell...
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Croft again and another E Type Jaguar.
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Ardmore January 1989 and I doubt any local will need any extra naming, but for overseas viewers, the Northland Special (Jaguar powered).
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Mike John's Vauxhall
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Mike John's Jaguar, 4 weeks later 1994.
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Now I am assuming this is the same Brabham as the previous earlier post, but either way, I don't yet have a date. Pukekohe this time. It looks to have had an addition to the roll bar, so this might well be a later pic?
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Riverhead Forest with a bit of stage marshalling, possibly October 1990.
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stubuchanan
04-11-2017, 10:48 AM
Whenuapai, but date still to be established.
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Are you sure this is Whenuapai? Whenuapai, like Ohakea, was built in the 1930's and the runways of both were composed of large hexagonal concrete slabs - see endpapers of Graeme Vercoe's "Historic Racing Cars of New Zealand". By the 1980's and 1990s they were getting quite rough, as in attached 1997 photo. The Brabham is sitting on rather smoother concrete with no diagonal joints - another venue, maybe .
Kwaussie
04-11-2017, 11:13 AM
Ask Jac-Mac? !!
quote "Would this number plate be allowed in NZ? Sister car to the well known 'BUMBLE', that our own John Hudson of BMW fame has been known to have worked on in recent times. Cadwell Park probably 1980.
Oldfart
04-11-2017, 02:43 PM
Stu, both were operational fields and still are. Whenuapai was the international airport til 1964 or so. I have participated in events on both and the hex blocks are evident in some places, but there are very large well surfaced areas.Yes there are in both areas where the hex slabs are pretty bad, but far from all over in my opinion.
Jac Mac
04-11-2017, 07:37 PM
Ask Jac-Mac? !!
quote "Would this number plate be allowed in NZ? Sister car to the well known 'BUMBLE', that our own John Hudson of BMW fame has been known to have worked on in recent times. Cadwell Park probably 1980.
In that case why not, there is no attached mention of skin colour or race. Having said that Im sure there is a PC addict ferreted away somewhere in NZ who would make it their purpose in life to have it banned.
Ross Hollings
04-11-2017, 09:00 PM
Re Whenuapai,I was in the RNZAF and based at Whenuapai and worked in the hangers,several areas were upgraded overtime to flasher concrete.
It's a given that it wasn't Pukekohe, therefore had to be Whenuapai anyway! There were many different surfaces at Whenuapai both on and off the areas used as a race track. Some parts were incredibly rough, some billiard table smooth. Other pics I have put on here probably show that too.
Silverstone 1977 (also patches of old runways!) with the famous 'Monzanapolis Jaguar'.
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Donington Museum - as if you needed that info. Hesketh
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Shadow Matra
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Definitely Whenuapai....
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Definitely Pukekohe. Both the NZ based 3 Litre Marcos Volvos. They only made about 198 with that engine and few were raced in period (or since!) as the power to weight ratio is so much better with the earlier 2 litre Volvo engine and the plywood chassis, so the 3 litre was never homologated for racing.
This was 1991 and I had not long owned mine, but the black car, then owned by Dave Walker and the yellow car, were both raced fairly often at TACCOC meetings.
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Silverstone 1977
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Looks like March 1983 Pukekohe
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Dave Walker's Marcos - definitely Whenuapai! I'm assuming that as the car has no race numbers, this must have been practice day on the Saturday?
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John Stonard's Piranha at Curborough around 1980
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"You put your left leg in, your left leg out..." Again, shows the concrete at Whenuapai - not to mention John Holmes and the Lotus 18 before it reverted to the 15" wheels.
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Date to be confirmed, but one of the clues is the Pinepac sticker... It is the little things like this that can make logging/filing slides a little easier. So far, 1100 slides logged, (many with incomplete information) which doesn't sound much when you consider that with digital, you can end up with that many usable images after 1 day's shooting at virtually zero cost - other than shortening the shutter life of the camera.
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Ross Hollings
04-11-2017, 10:25 PM
Funny how things come back to you,remember racing there and the concrete was fairly new,you all had to bring a drip tray ,the RNZAF wanted to keep their surface nice,English cars required a bigger tray of course..........just joking.!
stubuchanan
04-13-2017, 02:35 AM
Funny how things come back to you,remember racing there and the concrete was fairly new,you all had to bring a drip tray ,the RNZAF wanted to keep their surface nice,English cars required a bigger tray of course..........just joking.!
It's all changed now. Here's a Google aerial from a year or so ago.
The NW to SE cross-runway has mostly disappeared, although the hexagonal pattern is still visible in the bits that remain, and the other runways were upgraded. This was all done a few years ago with considerable rock-breaking noise for us locals. At the Whenuapai meetings I went to in the 1990's, the pit/paddock was situated on the end of the cross runway and a taxiway which has since vanished. These bits were part of the circuit in 1984 and pits were then probably where the John Holmes picture shows. (Grey cell malfunction obviously - but I do recall the loop at the very top left of the picture being used for club meetings in the good old days of Base Commander Barclay).
Stu
Milan Fistonic
04-13-2017, 03:59 AM
From the programmes I have there were at least three variations of the Whenuapai track.
1984
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1985
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1995
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Thanks Milan. I think that there may even have been additional configurations, but at the Wheels only meetings, there may have been maps issued to competitors, but the programme/entry list was just a single sheet of paper. I do remember that at least one of them, I was disappointed that a certain complex had been changed that didn't suit my car at all!
Certain parts of the track were quite rough and the cars bounced around quite a lot. Marshalling at the chicane, (point 1 on the 1995 map), was the busiest day of the year, as we were forever having to replace the cones. I then competed from 1992 until Jim moved on (apart from 1994 when my car was under restoration), but many will remember that the final meeting had to be abandoned, at the 11th hour, as the Aussie Premier, Howard, wanted to fly into Whenuapai rather than Mangere.
The fact that Mangere was acceptable to Queen Elizabeth, just a couple of weeks before, did not go unnoticed. TACCOC did a fantastic job with those events and we'll always be grateful for Jim Barclay's part in those meetings and the guys at Pinepac.
Even with estimated 30,000+ crowds on Wings and Wheels days, traffic management was excellent and there are many of us who wrote to ex-mayor Bob Harvey, stating that if no longer required by RNZAF, the venue would have been a perfect full time motorsports venue. I believe there are still people campaigning on that score.
It should be noted however that the big draw for crowds were the Wings, not the Wheels...
Oldfart
04-13-2017, 05:50 AM
84 and 85 had a combination of Wings and Wheels when we ran landyachts as a demonstration at lunchtime. Wings, yes because 3 of us had wing masts similar to what was running on Americas Cup a couple of years back. It wasn't successful for us as there was very little breeze.
stubuchanan
04-13-2017, 09:49 AM
Thanks Milan. I think that there may even have been additional configurations, but at the Wheels only meetings, there may have been maps issued to competitors, but the programme/entry list was just a single sheet of paper. I do remember that at least one of them, I was disappointed that a certain complex had been changed that didn't suit my car at all!
Certain parts of the track were quite rough and the cars bounced around quite a lot. Marshalling at the chicane, (point 1 on the 1995 map), was the busiest day of the year, as we were forever having to replace the cones. I then competed from 1992 until Jim moved on (apart from 1994 when my car was under restoration), but many will remember that the final meeting had to be abandoned, at the 11th hour, as the Aussie Premier, Howard, wanted to fly into Whenuapai rather than Mangere.
The fact that Mangere was acceptable to Queen Elizabeth, just a couple of weeks before, did not go unnoticed. TACCOC did a fantastic job with those events and we'll always be grateful for Jim Barclay's part in those meetings and the guys at Pinepac.
Even with estimated 30,000+ crowds on Wings and Wheels days, traffic management was excellent and there are many of us who wrote to ex-mayor Bob Harvey, stating that if no longer required by RNZAF, the venue would have been a perfect full time motorsports venue. I believe there are still people campaigning on that score.
It should be noted however that the big draw for crowds were the Wings, not the Wheels...
There was at least one other shorter version of the circuit, with the Western corner about 200 metres short of the runway end, using the same taxiway as in 1984. This was used, at least, for a late 1990's joint club meeting of the Classic Motorcycle Register and (maybe) the HRSCC - and possibly other times. I just noticed the cars on my way past, and drove in for a look-see. No camera unfortunately.
Re Orange cones, there were always orange motorway-style barriers around the Pinepac sawmill next to the RNZAF -
about 2-3 foot high and a few feet long - they got used on race days.
Stu
They certainly did Stu! However, I wasn't too impressed when an errant Datsun Z lost it in front of me and there was precious little run off between the outside track edge and those barriers - but bags of grass behind! I never could understand the logic of that placement. Fortunately, I stopped without damage.
From memory, wasn't the track run anti clockwise one year?
I too remember a clubbie practice day there, so maybe my photograph of the numberless Marcos could have been one of those rather than a proper race meeting? We are so lucky with today's digital photography...
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Geoff Byman had a company in that hotbed of British engineering - Grimsby. This is probably Mallory Park and not Cadwell Park, as I first posted, as I do have a slide with the car running that same number.
That isn't Geoff lubricating his innards with a pint of the local brew. This is Geoff's later race car as opposed to his rally and sprint car. His speciality was cylinder heads and he did some quite advanced work regarding inclined inlets. His crew also did a sterling job patching up my car in 1971, at Silverstone, after I'd piled into the wall at Woodcote, having hit a patch of damp when turning in. So ended my first season of competition - a Mini Cooper with a very bent left front.
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43218
great to see a proper impact wrench in use on the geoff byman mini
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