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THE BALDWIN “PAYNE” SPECIAL .. Old Race Cars
Re ; " THE BALDWIN “PAYNE” SPECIAL "
Ken H, didn't Baldwin also build a car called the " Baldwin Mercury Special " .. running a Mercury V8 - sidevalve version of the Ford V8 - think the Mercury had an extra head stud or two ??
The photo on the programme you posted indicates it was Baldwin's first Special..
Have just been going through my collection of books and magazines and have come across a Magazine called
" Vintage Racer " it is the Number 8 issue Autumn 1981 and cost US Four Dollars, I got it in 1982 in West Coast USA.
Publisher is Steven J Earle - didn't he go on to manage a Race Track or two ??.
The magazine has the entry list for Monterey Historics August 1981, the year before I went.
Have the Full programme and entry list book for 1982
No mention of a Baldwin in either Book..
For those interested " Beach Hop 2019 Whangamata " is on now 27 - 31 March - there have been lots of cars on State Highway 2 travelling from Tauranga that I saw yesterday ..
Have to go Waikato way on Monday - Pirongia and Te Awamutu, so i guess quite a few will be heading home..
One of the Vehicle's is a recreation of an American Ford School Bus - has modern mechanicals in a 1948 Ford Chasiss /body .. and looks like this .. One of the guys involved with the Bus is my Tyre Guy in Omokoroa Steve Abbott, whose Father Russ got me into " that TR4A " - " what a small world we live in " !!
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Had seen the bus outside the Tyre shop many moths ago and was there earlier this week being readied for the trip.
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Ford V8 question - the Side Valve - and the answer !!
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Originally Posted by
Ray Bell
Ford introduced the 24-stud heads in 1938 across the board, prior to that they were 21-stud. The Mercury engine had a larger capacity than the Ford for a while, but later Fords were the same size.
as mentioned Beach Hop is on this weekend and a local family [ Katikati ] are taking two Fords a Model and a very rare in NZ 1941 Ford V8 Super Deluxe .. the car has been fitted with 1952 Mercury Flathead .. the article in the localpaper is confusing as it states
" The V8 has a 52 Mercury flathead motor - 1941 was the last year Ford flathead motors were built, he said "
He being Eric the owner ..
I thought that Ford built the flathead up until the introduction of the " 272 " Y Block in about 1953 or 54 .. Ray will Know.
This is what I found on Wikipaedia
" Also called Ford L-head V8
Production 1932–1953 for the U.S. consumer car-and-truck market
1932-1954 Ford the Canadian consumer car-and-truck market
(1973 in Germany for trucks and 1961 for Simca versions, but later with a head akin to the Ardun OHV conversion) "
and from a Ford site ..
" The Ford Flathead is a valve-in-block engine and the valves open adjacent to the combustion chamber, rather than from the top, as in later engines. The four different V-8 flathead displacement sizes between 1932 and 1953 are 136, 221, 239 and 337 cubic inches. "
Remember the Simca version used in a car called the Vedette - a grown up Aronde, and of course we had in NZ the Ford V8 Pilot from Ford UK,engine by Ford USA and Canada.
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A wet Saturday morning in Omokoroa, Fine in Te Poi on the other side of the Kaimai Ranges..
Time for a Coffee it's 10;45 NZDST ..
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Then the day will be like this
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Bugatti, Chandler, Chrysler .. racing in the 1920's ..
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Originally Posted by
John McKechnie
Having worked on so many vintage cars over the years, I get a real buzz out of seeing that they were raced in the day , instead of the sedate cars seen at car shows.
I know where there are 3 Chandler Tourers...wonder if one of them was this winner ?
And as Chrysler had just been formed from Maxwell in 1925, Curletts car must have been an early delivery
John McK .. like your comment !!
" I get a real buzz out of seeing that they were raced in the day , instead of the sedate cars seen at car shows. "
The Chandler, I know little about; Must do some work on that. ** a bit below !
A J Roycroft and the Bugatti ..more is known, as he had several a Type 13 a 22, a 38 ..
the 13 was a Racer, which he got from Australia - had it at Muriwai in 1927 and 1929 for the Beach Races ..
the 38 was a tourer
and the type 22 seems to be a modified tourer, not a racer !!
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According to the Scott Thompson book " Up to Speed " Daisy Roycroft had been in a Bugatti -
" before the ladies race at Waihi " .. was that 1926 - unsure..
AJ certainly had a Bugatti at the " Light Car Cup " in 1926 at Muriwai. which was probably the type 13 ..in 1927 it had been fitted with a long tail the car originally as mentioned was from Australia owned by Hope Bartlett, chassis # 2109.
In 1929 at Muriwai there were three Bugatti's on the front row - could have been the entire field of six cars ?
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A Chandler Six Tourer. The advert says they sell a 4 passenger Roadster too !!
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