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Originally Posted by 928
I know years ago at Manfield, if noise testing was done, the results were on the noticeboard at the circuit
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Originally Posted by 928
I know years ago at Manfield, if noise testing was done, the results were on the noticeboard at the circuit
A small group of residents damn near succeeded in closing Timaru over noise issues and it is not only about noise created by cars, it included the cheering of the crowd, the PA system, anything that can emit noise. One of the issues I remember well was that there were some race horses stabled nearby and when our announcer got a bit excited about what was happening on the circuit the horses picked up on that and started to behave as they would just prior to racing. Relocating our speakers so that they were directed away from them got rid of that issue but getting rid of the resource consent that we are locked into, well that is another matter all together.
Noise testing is done every time you are on the circuit at Levels, if you are over then you are personally advised. Fortunately today it appears that it is only when something has been damaged that the need to talk to people occurs. It is a very long time since anyone was black flagged for excess noise
Im constantly offended by the noise coming from the vocal minority, who grizzell about noise from the circuits.
a voice of sanity in this pc world
So right Roger. 'Loud, vocal outspoken minority', just listen to dick wick Rob Norman he will solve all.
How the F&^% was the world or anything on it originally built without some noise.
Why people listen to these pathetic dicks amazes me.
Rod!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rod Grimwood
You are being so harsh. Even the Greenies have a place - fertiliser!
Tony- you are being too kind:if its Brown, then flush it.
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Originally Posted by rogered
...especially the ones who move in way after the race circuit was built! They buy the property for a lower value because of the track (circuit or speedway) and then want to close the track so they can sell the property for a higher value. Also happens around Gun clubs that use to be in the country big are now on the outskirts
Sorry 928, I missed your question.Quote:
Originally Posted by crunch
The President is making equiries via his position in local Govt and is reporting back to the April Exec meeting with those findings. As for the specific Exec enquiry regarding the placement of the noise meter at Pukekohe, I think that is happening next week and the result will be on the MSNZ website
thanks Crunch. I will keep an eye out
Are you alluding to Len Brown?Quote:
Originally Posted by John McKechnie
Sadly RacerT he (Len Brown) would come back as Queen Ann Chocolate, he shore can duck the crap.
Yes, greasy little lawyer!
95% of lawyers give the rest a bad name!
The best mayor we had in a while was Les Mills, no PC rubbish, honest and hard working.
It was a poster on the door of gentleman racer whose office is just down the road from me in Ellerslie- ever seen it?Quote:
Originally Posted by RacerT
Yes, A top bloke!
And now we have not enough noise- the Oz F1 race was rightly criticized for the pathetic sound of the new V6 turbos. My better half comments I make more noise in the shower.
Australian GP organisers claim their contract may have been breached because the F1 cars were not loud enough.
Quieter cars detract from the 'sexiness' of the race, and Melbourne didn't get what it paid for.
They commented that they sounded like 'harpsichords in a chamber orchestra' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Isn't noise an interesting subject.
I was President of the South Canterbury Car Club when we had to spend large sums of money fighting a 3 year battle to get a resource consent. The 2 main issues were noise and Usage.
Firstly the noise clause in the motorsport manual is seriously flawed and Crunch it is not how it was originally printed because the height and angle of the meter has been deleted at some stage.
Here are the flaws in the rule as I see them:
1. There is no height or angle for the meter origanly it was 1.5m high and angled at 15 Degrees.
2. It does not say whether the 95dba is L10 or Lmax one refers to 10 percent of the time and one is for spikes.
3. To have no consideration for weaher conditions allows readings to be taken in high wind conditions which wrong, even Timaru's
strict consent allows for maximum wind speeds, 5metres per sec from memory.
Motorsport has only succeeded in policing this rule by hiding behind the Judge of fact senario, because the rule as it is, is not right.
Some expert advice is needed to put a policable rule in place.
True Bill, but you need to put the expert in place yourselves, otherwise THEY will install one which is not what you want.
There are so many variables in sound measurement that you can really only get a mean average reading anyway, and the installed expert should take these variables into account when making his analyses.
I rather like the idea of the measurement of sound being taken at the perimeter fence, rather than trackside. The dragstrip here in Perth was built into a V in the ground, so that the sound travels upward, rather than cross-country.
The quiet gutteral hiss of the F1's trackside was deeply disappointing - the Shannons historic demonstration was more exciting ( and twice as loud)
Stock car tracks enjoy a similar benefit ( albeit on a smaller scale ) from the spectator embankments and usual 'wall' around the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by GD66
I was at Melbourne with a fellow TRSer and a mutual friend who tried to have us believe that the new sound of F1 was more "responsible"
It wasn't great - but as a confirmed tragic, it didn't deter my enjoyment too much - and I will go back for more, possibly even in 12 months time.
Not about noise but similar, Back on the PC brigade, rumour has it that the drift boys can not go to Pukekohe for final round because ONE, yes ONE neighbour complained about the 'Smoke' so that's that. Bit of a bonus in some ways as they will run at Mt Smart for last champ round and get a crowd closer to city.
But 'said' neighbour was apparently made pretty good offer, but still would not budge, (for one day the miserable piece of----) this is what is stuffing a lot of things up, ONE arse*^&% stuffs it for hundreds or thousands of others and they get away with it. Its time a stand was made and they were told to pull their head in as they are only ONE.
Also mutters about track to fast and now dangerous with no run off areas, (concrete walls) so could be a bonus to some car owners as less damage and that's got to be good. So maybe a favour done in some ways by the 'ONE'
Probably the same person who complained about the noise... The one who inherited his house?
ban lawnmowers - Len Brown should issue one sheep to each household, then we could eat it for Christmas!
Sheep are very quiet and tasty!
Or in Remmers, goats, Pukekohe cows as they have more land, then we can swap BBQ invites - but you'd better not create any smoke!
Mmmmm yes smoke and excrement - maybe a lawnmower is less pollution, especially if Loosehead Len issued hand mowers!
hand mowers - next we will have to race flintstone style and the crowd better not cheer or there will be trouble.
Hi 928, just a follow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by 928
As a result of the Pukekohe noise issues, the following has been done by the circuit in conjunction with a "noise consultant" ..(think my 2 year old could do that job!) and with the appropriate council representation. The point of measuring has been moved to the back straight about 50m from the hairpin, and the appropriate number of metres back. There are two alternate positions, but they look as though they are only a few metres apart on the diagram.
This fits within the current rersource etc. consents for the venue. There was a very lukewarm response to the suggestions of aligning with the NZ Standards suggestions by the parties concerned.
The above is NOT to be considered an OFFICIAL report from MSNZ, but as an information only personal response:rolleyes:
Hi Crunch,
thanks for reporting the results.
It still seems as if motorsport is getting the rough end of the stick. Who am I to complain, just another walk away ex race professional who is concerned about standards that are not being properly applied and no one seems to care.
just renewing this thread to get the tulloch camaro thread back on track
It would seem to me that democracy is dead in NZ when a few can stop the pleasure of many by lodging a noise complaint. Someone needs to remind len brown that a lot of rate payers pay good money to watch speedway at the spring and he and his cronies look after a few complaining people who must have bought their up on the hill homes knowing that people raced cars at the springs. prior use should be the starting point for any complaint.
the same applies to all race tracks in nz. noise should only be measured at the boundary and noted. some tracks in the uk have levels of 106 Db for test days I think Mallory has reopened with a 105Db limit and in nz we have a 95 Db stupidity. come on manz do some thing or get of the pot and let a person who is interested in motorsport try,remember, without motorsport you lot do not have jobs
I wonder if this should be approached at government level rather than via local bodies and as you suggest with readings being taken at venue boundary as a 'blanket' rule for all fixed motorsport venues.
not just motorsport but all venues where the public has paid to attend rugby, concerts, just a couple that come to mind
Auckland Council noise rules for stadiums, including Western Springs and Eden Park http://unitaryplan.aucklandcouncil.g...howgrounds.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by 928
thanks for that. i will read and digest but at a quick glance things do not look good
I don't want to be a smart arse but if you apply and are granted a planning permit for the noise level you want to make then there is stuff all people can complain about after the permit is granted.
in NZ or AU? does make a differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Kwaussie
Agree, people will complain regardless.
What I can't understand is why it is OK for a club to have music blasting out at 120db - with the doors and windows open so that you can hear/feel the bass reverberating half a kilometre away until 2am or later. Happened to us in Taupo a couple of years ago.
Race track noise (except Western Springs or Speedway) is usually all over by about 6pm anyway and as most races are about 11 or 12 minutes with tiny grids, (at tier 1 level anyway!), I think any genuine disturbance from the race track, is grossly exaggerated.
There is a huge difference in being able to hear noise and it interfering with day to day living.