Thanks Dave......I knew I would get shot down by someone who was there and would set the record straight.
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Thanks Dave......I knew I would get shot down by someone who was there and would set the record straight.
Jac-Mac (as requested)
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Even on a bad day - way out in front.
Bit gun shy to post any more from the 2013 meeting - sorry my pre65 photo caused such a clash on the forum!!!
No way! Keep them coming, I'm really enjoying them. The fact is, people have different opinions on what should or shouldn't be accepted at historic race meetings, or indeed what actually constitutes a historic race meeting. There is probably no right or wrong answer to this, just different opinions.
OK will sort some out later - racing cars class and the Sports Cars class with the dreaded TVR still to come. Not sure about posting the clubmans class - are they allowed at a classic meeting?????????????????
I started the thread...its fine with me, after all the clubman guys will probably become the classic/hysteric racers of the future, why not give em a bit of encouragement with a few pics, their class was oversubscribed from what I hear, some competitors had to wait until some other cars dropped out with problems before they could get a race start.Quote:
Originally Posted by southspeed
Southspeed,did you you get any photos of the Mustang P51 flyover. Also some photos of the Historic Touring cars?
Shit it doesn`t take much for the claws to come out! What you guys don`t seem to get it is that HMC is not anti South Island, we are trying to establish a group of `period correct' muscle cars that can run at Classic or Historic meetings, wherever they may be held, not only for the enjoyment of the drivers, but also for the punters, who if judging by the interest in the HMC cars at the Denny Hulme Festival, are very keen on what we are doing. When we get Rodger Cunningham coming all the way from Invercargill up to HD with his Mustang, it seems that he also `gets' what we are trying to do . Who knows within the next couple of years we could very well all come down to one or two of the southern tracks which would be good, but can we at least get up and running first, and not get shafted by self serving promoters, other events date clashes, and probably most of all, the tall poppy syndicate. Then you may have some more videos and photos of southern meetings which I thought this thread was about!Quote:
Originally Posted by grelley
yes and yes - have yet to post bothQuote:
Originally Posted by grelley
I think BJ Crosbie resides in Christchurch son Shane is still around Teretonga, saw him at Evolution Motorsport Classic meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by John McKechnie
DJMcD- thanks for this bit of info, a very good man there is now following this up for me.
The Cadillac of the Sky - P-51 Mustang fighter plane - Pilot Robert Borrius- Broek and passenger Stephen Grellet (co-pilot) provide the lunchtime entertainment on Sunday. Both were drivers/competitors in the Jesco Historic Touring Car class at Teretonga over the weekend. Sundays programme was altered to accommodate this flyby. Below are photos of them both on track and several of them over the track.
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Did Robert Broek race a Cosworth YB (2 litre) Formula Pacific in the mid 90s? It would have been the period when Pacifics were added to the back of the Formula Holden field if it is the guy I'm thinking of.
Hi,Quote:
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Have sent you a PM
Cheers Mike
Thank you Grelley, someone has finally got it? a “Club Meeting” but advertised as a “Classic Event”, this seems to be the South Island way. If they would only promote it like that then there would be no argument, all types of vehicles racing each other, not a problem “A CLUB MEETING/EVENT”.Quote:
Originally Posted by grelley
Back to historic racing, i would really luv to see a proper Historic Saloon group down south at a proper classic race meetings so we could bring our HMC cars to race, this would be a great spectate and Roger(Cunninghame) has started the ball rolling by making his Mustang MSNZ T&C/HMC legal so please you guys down there with common sense, get in behind and support him, but not with modern ring-ins no matter how small the field, it would soon grow.
Dale M
Dale, I think you are begining to show signs of delusions of granduer. What makes you think that unless we join up to your idea, we are not classic racers? It may surprise you to know that not every one worships at the agriculturely built American V8 [don't they all sound the same] so called muscle car? I would be hard pressed to go to a meeting that was dominated by such badly built vehicles. Now show me a Colonge Cari or a 635 BMW or the ex Fahey FVA Escort and I'll line up at dawn. I saw a 30 CSL BMW Bat Mobile in Malaysia once and spent nearly an hour just looking at it. If I came across any old Mustang would I not be looking at a Falcon and with the same apalling level of engineering? You are starting to remind me of the great Smoky Yunich who once famously said that Indianapolis shoul d be restricted to American drivers, engines and cars. Can't have foriegners coming over and make us look stupid can we? It may interest you to know, and given my advancing years, I may be wrong, But in the almost 20 years we ran Country Gents I don't think we ever had an American car compete and we had to turn entrants away every year. In fact you V8 people remind me quite a lot of Harley people, long on image and very short on engineering excellence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwiboss
Yep, and since it is a South Island meeting, all the South Islanders who are drivers, spectators or organisers, know what they are getting and by far the majority are happy and keep coming back. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet! The North Islanders also know what they are getting and some choose to partake and some don't. What's so wrong with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwiboss
Any more abuse from you South Island folk and us North Island gents will go down to Wellington and cut the power cable and see how you get on then
Ha ha ha, thats a great post Dave, I really enjoyed reading that! To be fair, I don't think Dale was trying to suggest there is anything superior or special about old US race cars. He was more so referring to the idea of a group of old cars all being built to the same regulations specifically to be period correct, as is seen in many countries outside of NZ. Many other countries have a standardised set of regulations to bring saloon cars together to be period correct, and using as many original parts as possible. For example, Australian Group Nc historic regulations are a set of standardised rules that are in place all over Australia. Therefore, if someone in Queensland builds a '69 Mustang, or whatever, he knows if he takes his car to a NSW or Victorian historic racing event, the other cars he lines up with will have been built to the same rules as his car. Thats all HMC is, a standardised set of regulations that people around NZ are adopting for building over 3 litre racing sedans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Silcock
Actually Jim, I think it is the other way round........they, the Mainlanders, supply power to us hungry Nth Islanders, so just put your machetti away thank you!!!!!!!!
Aw, Gerald you spoilsport, Just when Jim was going to do something constructive you stop him in his tracks!!! I was just starting to envisage all you NI folk rubbing two sticks together to boil the jug for your Latte's...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by AMCO72
Amco you should thank God or in your case Buda that you are not a fish...Gee hope this is not off topic again
Jim, I have used so much fishoilene on my rusty English cars over the years that I sometimes smell like a ripe Snapper!!!!!
This Nth verses Sth thing is intriging. I was born and bred in Christchurch, still have ties down there, and so I still think of myself as a Mainlander. So when the racing fraternity starts debating about the relative merits of their turf I am torn between to two.
What a lot of racers down south see, is groups of cars from the north, HMC, formula juniors, F5000 etc etc getting loaded into containers, dropped on the deck of some rusty tramp steamer with the name 'Rena' on the bow, and whisked off to Oz for some flash race meet, and yet they cant seem to be able to make the journey to the south island meetings.
However what is coming across loud and clear here is that the fields are so mixed down sth that the controlled groups from the nth dont get racing like with like.On the other hand we dont want Classics to end up with 'level playing fields' like ST's etc and take all the fun out of what is usually entertaining racing.
Yes I'm sure this is way off topic Jim, but every few posts we get drawn back into topic with some gorgeous photos of cars competing in Mainland events.
Who cares .a very stimulating {coundent spell bloody??} reply,.Thank God we are all different ,a bit like Norfolk Isl. they are 50 yrs behind,{well 20yres. ago} as long as we like or love our cars for what THEY are and not like what they can do for us {Posers} we are just one big family, and beware of FIGJAM it can be upseting when decifered{sorry all you experts}
Gee, youve got me this time Jim. I used to pride myself in being able to 'decifer' your email messages, but this one has me beat. Clearly you are not talking about Fig Jam....2 words....but FIGJAM????????.
Quick, someone post some pictures so we can get off this subject.
Ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A batch from the Historic Touring Car class - Teretonga Park - SpeedFest - February 2013
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Was just going back thru the pics & more thread pertinent posts,
#50, the Topolino engine is definitely a Lincoln Y-Block, they were built in 279/302/317/332/341/368 cid sizes all in the same architecture ( have a 317? here in the shed )
#66, DJMcD, not sure if you were refering to me, but Tony Mann Victor ( Kermit Green) is the Alec Dickie built, Gary Jenkins, ???, Ross Cameron car, might be a couple of other owners I have missed there.
Now THAT is a really impressive site! Congratulations to the team there for bringing together such an impressive field.Quote:
Originally Posted by southspeed
Photos to follow - Sports Cars - Speedfest - Teretonga Park 2013
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If you look at photos from the recent Phillip Island meeting, advertised and run as an Historic car meeting, you will find interesting fields of well mixed and matched classes running together. I grew up through the V8 era, started like many with Hotrodding, evetually went on to help on the ex Dawson Z28 among other cars, while the V8 holds a special interest, I lean now towards the more subtle, sofisticated, better performing Eurropean and now Japanese cars. I believe tuning the best performance out of less power but better handling cars gives much more satisfaction.Not to say a good grid of V8's won't get the adrenalin flowing.
http://www.sportscardigest.com/phill...-and-photos/2/
Racing Car class - Speedfest - Teretonga Park - 2013
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