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Still many people's hero...
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Italian red watching out for British Racing Green
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Is this the ex Leuch car? Note the Gryphon on the scuttle of the Connaught.
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Good to see a couple of Scarabs out there.
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The Ferrari is just as good looking as the 250F Maserati really! Seeing cars like this is why historic racing is so attractive compared to modern characterless single seaters.
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No Maserati looked that good...The Pat Hoare car perhaps looks like it,if I listen I can still hear the V12 at Ardmore,1962 in the wet I think he was top Kiwi??Quote:
Originally Posted by ERC
I rest my case...
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I think the carbs are the telling point,plastic buble puts ahead.Quote:
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Leuch's car was a B-Type. This is the C-Type. Rightly or wrongly, it had this bodywork long before Leuch got his car. And wasn't the Leuch open-wheel body destroyed in the fire?Quote:
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Not sure I agree on the Maserati/Ferrari beauty contest verdict. Anyway, you are comparing a 1956 Maserati body with a 1959 or 1960 Ferrari. Your Ferrari looks a bit strange to me, it looks too trim around the cockpit and headrest compared all other photos I have seen, from 1958 to 1960.Quote:
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Not sure on the Connaught, but I think all the Works 1957 cars had the Gryphon symbol on the scuttle. It isn't a faithful reproduction/reconstruction of the "Toothpaste-Tube" body to me.
Cast my vote for the 250F!
Stu
Whenuapai 1986
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Goodwood 2004
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Goodwood 2004
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Goodwood 2009. Shame about the scaffolding... (Not to mention I only had a small Canon compact camera with me and we all know how difficult it is to take moving pics with one of those.)
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Goodwood 2009. Ditto
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I'm not sure if the Merit range of 1/24th scale car kits ever made it to NZ but they were pretty good kits given that they were 100% plastic - which also included the tyres. Dad built virtually the full set and photographed some of them - circa 1962 at a guess. I remember well him mixing up his own charcoal grey satin paint, as black gloss always looked totally wrong.
Two were "Super Kits" including the Alfa, with detailed engines.
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Most, like The Mercedes, just had the body polished rather than painted as in those days, small spray cans weren't really around.
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Not many kit manufacturer's have bothered with the Cooper and other 500cc cars, yet there were many different full size models deserving of reproduction in plastic.
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The other "Super Kit". The Talbot Lago. Incidentally, I brought these built up kits back to NZ when dad passed on, so maybe I should now re-photograph them in colour. For the day though, these were extremely accurate kits.
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The Gerry Marshall Mustang was as usual driven with great verve, but...
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as he explains here to the commentator, suitably attired as the BBC's first pit reporter, John Bolster...
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..."those standard period steel wheels just aint strong enough to cope with my spirited driving on today's rubber". (Several expletives probably deleted.)
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When the massive Ford Galaxie aircraft carriers arrived on the UK saloon car scene, it was all over for the Jaguars, but...
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the crowd favourite was this energetically driven Jaguar - and this was just practice!
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I don't think the Alfa Police car managed to catch the speedsters either, but good to see. Wasn't Ross Calgher supposed to be building a Rover SD1 "police" car?
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Re the Gerry Marshal pics. A dramatic example of putting modern 'grippy' rubber on old cars. Hence the MSNZ manuals ruling on using period rubber in Historic competition. Old harder compounds are much safer in our style of racing as the suspension is being asked to go way beyond its original design parameters.
We are hunting through piles of old race tyres to find a suitable batch to see out the festival. Also have you checked the speed rating on some modern tyres.......is not as high as you might think. Even the Amco mini is doing over 215kph down the front straight so goodness knows what Dales' Muscle boys are doing!!!!!
The Connaught A Type was quite a pretty car for 1952-53, especially if seen from the left without the air-box. Yellow colour presumably Belgian national colour, but maybe too much curry and not enough lemon! Was this car driven in 1953 GP's by Johnny Claes or Andre Pilette, or just owner's wishful thinking.Quote:
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Stu
Gerald, pm you a message about tyres a few days back, did you get it? i don't have your e-mail address on my home computer!!Quote:
Originally Posted by AMCO72
At Hampton the V8's are fair "smoken" over the hill but its apart of the track i believe needs your utmost attention and im not even the fast compared to some class's!!!!
Ray, i just luv all these Goodwood pics, i guess im in the wrong country to be doing proper Historic racing!!!
Dale M
Dale.... pm sent yesterday to you.
Otherwise...... bentley6@xtra.co.nz
Pretty hard to see here what broke, those early Mustangs had a bad habit of breaking ball joints and snapping of stub axles!! this maybe what happen here but certainly a modern sticky tyre wont help(except for lap times LOL)Quote:
Originally Posted by ERC
Dale M
As I understand it Dale, the centre pulled out of the wheel, but at that time, period alloys were not allowed. I am not sure whether or not the rules have been changed since 2000, but at the time, even before that incident, there were rumblings about allowing alloy wheels on the grounds of safety.
I do sometimes wonder about many of the so called pure historics as to how pure they actually are. Winning at all costs also seems to have been a growing problem at Goodwood in the quest for victory, and sadly, that also includes examples of overly aggressive driving at times, with considerable panel and mechanical damage.
I am really glad that your series accepts that the racing is just for fun Dale, as does ours, even though yours is more purist than ours. The aim is the same even though the rules are slightly different. We are getting even tougher on driving standards, especially if there is panel damage, so drivers are likely to be penalised.
Enlarged to 400% it looks like the wheel center has torn apart, & neg camber of hub 'looks' about normal for a mustang upright @ full droop. Been there, done that, nothing works like it should when that happens-steering, brakes etc all go on holiday!
Jack Nazer had that happen at Levin with alloy wheels with his Anglia.
Everything sits on the wheels, why compromise!
Although the Chris Summers' 5.3 litre Chevvy engined Lotus was always a huge crowd favourite at Mallory, in this instance the top placing in the 20 lap Bob Gerard Trophy race (part 2) was taken by a 1900cc Lotus BMW (W Forbes) with a 1600cc Brabham in 2nd (D Preston) and David Prophet's 998cc Brabham in 3rd. The Lotus Chev obviously didn't finish.
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J Sutton's Attila Chevrolet heading off Peter Sutcliffe's Ford GT40. Just using driver initials in the programme instead of the full name is a convention of the day that annoys me - especially if I am the commentator... It reeks of only ever being called by your surname - probably a throwback to English public schools or the services! Meeting organised by BRSCC rather than the friendlier NSCC. There were 3 Ford GT40's entered.
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One of the few Lotus to be less than successful - Driven here by B Muir, so I presume it is Brian Muir. The programme states "Lotus-Ford" so I am guessing it is the Lotus 30.
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Again "F Gardner" so presumably Frank Gardner in Alan Brown's McLaren Elva-Ford
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This one needs no introduction at all, although the programme states Ferrari 365P2 it is David Piper's 250LM
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When you look at the overall quality of the 19 strong field, it wouldn't look out of place at one of today's historic meeting "glamour grids".
J Sutton again, this time in a fastback Elan - but just look at those rear tyres!!! This race was won by John Miles in another Elan. The only non Lotus starters were Corfield's Diva GT and a J Morris in a 904GTS Porsche. Unfortunately my pic of the Porsche was even worse than these, but in my defence, these were all taken on an old Leica without a rangefinder or any other aids and with a standard (non telephoto) lens so several have been cropped severely. Also running was the older Lotus Eleven GT of Ben Moore, but all the other Lotus' were Elans.
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The Winning Miles Elan and the Mefco Racing Porsche behind.
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David Hobbs in the Team Surtees lola.
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The less well known 4.7 litre Crossle-Ford, with the driver (G Kinnane) wearing a matching helmet.
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