MSNZ - Schedule K and T&C and maybe FIA HTP related questions info etc

[nzeder]

I thought I would start this thread given some posts on other threads about Schedule K, T & C and even FIA HTP.

I am looking at this thread from a pure Saloon, Sport and GT point of view as most of the open wheelers, F5000, FJ etc will already be well aware of the process of Schedule K or FIA HTP.

First we don't seem to have many Saloon, Sport and GT cars that are to Schedule K or FIA HTP standard. Most cars seem to be running under T & C - please correct me if I am wrong.

I would like the aim of this thread to answer a few questions and maybe help others (including myself) prep our cars to one of the standards that best suits how we want to race, our budgets, or how we want to even build our cars.

I have taken a few quotes/posts from another thread

I have not spoken to the members from the "Datsun Z Club" that attended the AGM yet - but I am interested to know more about how T&C and Schedule K is seen. My Datsun Z that I am trying to get ready for the coming season (when time and money permits - both of which I am short like so many) is currently nothing more than a rolling caged shell stilling at my parents (don't have room here with another Z in bit in the shed). I have not committed to the brake setup and my suspension has not been setup completely either (coilover only held in place with hose clamps waiting for final ride height etc). All the mods are true to the factory options or period mods. So now with the comments above about T&C should be abandoned/made redundant - what should I do?

I still need to run new brake hard lines and fuel hard lines (inside the car away from the factory location right next to the drive shaft - so a safety mod which should be permitted just on safety grounds along). My car is all factory panels, missing the odd badge (but I have some from the road car that I can install).

So my question is this to those who attended - can I get my car finished and through as a Schedule K "competition sport & gt car" aka group o? The car will be missing some interior that can't be refitted around the cage - a Datsun Z is not that large inside. I do plan to run period brakes and rims that are period replicas (who want to be running on 1970's magnesium rims - 1 they cost a packet, 2. they would be old magnesium rims so that is just dangerous) All the mods I can proof are period mods and I am replicating them as they were. This car I am building will be road legal once I complete it when the $$ are their to go though all the hoops you need to get car with a full cage on the road.

However with the comments about T&C and the like do I just give up now and just focus on getting my road version going and spend time with my young family and forget my hobby of classic racing?

In my experience the schedule K requirements are less onerous than getting a roll cage homologated. My BMW "02 which has a sched K classification is a replica, not an original race car. I don't understand various people who persist in thinking it is a requirement.

You simply need to list the modifications together with the justification which can be, in descending order of importance, homologation papers, period books, photos and magazine articles or lastly current photos or articles. In my case to complicate matters the original Group 2 papers are listed by the FIA "Lost, not available" but BMW Mobile Tradition in Munich were able to supply me from their archives sufficient (around 250) pages of amendments and additions together with enough of the original pages to piece together the major homologated items and make some assumptions about others. For example 4 pages of brake rotor and caliper sizes implies wheel diameter dimensions which were not included amongst the information.

MSNZ processed the application quickly and efficiently, a couple of questions about one or two specific items and the stamp went down! Obviously with a car where the complete papers are available, it will be even easier. Why there seems to be so much reluctance to embrace Sched K is beyond me. It fixes so many of the issues prevalent in "classic" racing.

nzeder, Schedule K is for exact "period" built race cars with the idea of obtaining a FIA Historic Technical Passport(HTP) and T&C is for "Modified" saloons and sports cars with only certain allowable changes, with the idea of obtaining a Certificate of Description(COD)!! This here is only a debate, nothing is changing within Motorsport NZ and the Classic and Historic commission from my understanding is more than happy with the current status-quo!! so you can either build your 240Z to NO rules and race it club type events were there is less concern about rules, or to K/T&C and be eligible for more pure Historic and Classic events like say the Festival!!

To be-able to race with HMC in future events like the "Legends" you will need one of the above as we won't except vehicles outside the K/T&C, HMC criterior.

And that's what is great about NZ motor-sport, you can choose your desired path.

Dale M

So i take it Howard that you have at MSNZ HTP?

Dale M

I was originally planning to apply for an FIA HTP but was advised by MSNZ that it would take over 6 months and to apply for sched K and COD in the meantime. As the car was completed and I was itching to go racing, it seemed the best interim option.

The HTP would allow the car to compete (and presumable be saleable) anywhere in the world, however much as that would be a nice dream it is unlikely to happen! In any case, speaking recently to a NZ Formula Junior competitor who has been lucky enough to get an invite to Goodwood this year, the technical compliance regime for meetings such as that are very specific and detailed. I didn't ask, but I gathered, way more restrictive than the HTP.