MSNZ - Schedule K and T&C and maybe FIA HTP related questions info etc

[nzeder]

Hi nzeder, I’m fairly new to all this Schedule K, T & C, HTP , COD and so question the relevance of this revenue generating bureaucratic bull…. so thanks for starting this thread, I’m sure we can all learn from others experience with these matters. I can see the necessity for historic , period correct cars that wish to race internationally , but for the rest of us that just want to get out there and have some fun then, why should we bother getting involved ? If ERC can run his series for so long with consistently large grids , then perhaps we all need to adopt to KISS principle to our racing.

My only reply to that is reading the rule book if any event is run/held under MSNZ Appendix 6 then cars running need to have a COD ie be classified as Schedule K, T&C, CR etc. If a meeting he held under Appendix A then it is a clubman type event and then anything goes it is clubmans racing as I once heard from a HRC member. However girds sometime also have a set of rules to run under - ie BMW etc to have good safe grids without large speed differential.

I like handicap racing - it is a leveller, fun and if all respect each cars and ability then everyone finishes after all we are talking about cars that finding parts/panels are becoming harder and harder and more costly. There is no reset like on a Playstation and all is damage is gone.

I do agree with the KISS approach - and if you look at T&C it is a very KISS set of rules - it is clear so I don't see how there are so many "hot rods" racing. The issue we see with T&C today is with existing cars - that have been modified outside of the rules as they are today ie not trying to pick on a bubble flared escorts but that is just not a standard production body - not matter what rule book you read - yes homologated under some FIA group but that does not mean it fits T&C

It would be like if I built a Datsun 240z to full Group 4 Spec with all the Group 4 body work - here is a picture then try and run that under T&C = epic fail it is not standard production body work. However the next picture is a standard Datsun 240z well in this case a Fairlady 240zg which was used to homologate the longer nose and flares in Group4 -so the top pic = not T&C but the bottom is as that is the standard production body work.
1975/76 Le Mann Datsun 260Z - period race car aka K car

1972 Fairlady 240ZG - production car

[Barry]

It is encouraging to see there are people that take the time to read the rules before they build a car rather than build one and try to get the rules changed to suit.
This will be a great thread for people to understand the K,T&C rules and where they apply, you can still build cars for series rules but if you want to build one to race in Classic or Historic racing read the rules first and save yourself and the commission a lot of problems later.