MSNZ - Schedule K and T&C and maybe FIA HTP related questions info etc

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I agree - like a Datsun Z with a V8 should be built like a true Sarab was back in the day to be called a classic. However targa has it own set of rule outside of the T&C, Schedule K stuff does it not?

Is this part of the problem? Should T&C which I think are good KISS set of rules that are applied to any class that want to hold a classic field/grid etc. Then the series organizers can make rules that are tighter not looser around T&C? If cars are entered ie the said Avenger, Renault A110 which would surely conform to K cars rules should be classed as such? Therefore run as they did against car as they did in a K cars group then other "classic" run under the T&C - anything outside of that goes into the groups the series organizers wishes but are not called "classics"

The Datsun I have as track car was getting built as a Targa car by the PO - it had modern brake setup, modern Nissan 6 cylinder engine (still over 20 years old and to be honest a good old L6 that was factory fitted to a Datsun can be made to go just as well as the later DOHC version in NA form - turbo....well different ball game). I am going back to T&C or Schedule K hence starting this thread to make sure I understand the rules before I spend more $$ and time over winter getting ready for September.

Not really sure what the answer is hence the starting of this thread also so we can all discuss issues/rules etc.

If you look at T&C putting K cars aside for a bit. What is wrong with the rules as they stand today? Anything? Rays grid does not enforce a COD yet I believe more than 2/3 have COD's surely that tells a story - it is mostly working. So what needs to be addressed if at all to make the remaining 1/3 conform?

Is the issue a little more complex?

K cars rules are great for standard unmodified car - so that box is ticked.
K cars rules are great for "the car" or new builds built 100% period correct as they ran "internationally" - did some more reading and that is what I get from the Appendix K stuff it must have run in that configuration at an FIA international event - not a national event. so that box is ticked.
T&C is for us Kiwi's that like to modify our cars - within a given set of rules ie period brakes, limited by tyre size and aspect ratio for the pre 78 groups with more mods allowed to the engines vs the later groups - that is all in the aim of keeping the grids at a level playing field. T&C is not locked down to as raced in period at an international event. You just have to prove that somewhere in the world the car was raced like it was with X and Y.

Currently under T&C you have to run both drivers and passengers seats - yet some grids under their series rules allow the removal of the passengers seats etc. So this comes back the bit in bolt above (someone else idea not mine but I like it) is it currently backwards? Should T&C allow the removal of the passengers seat then if a series organizer does not like that rule they can "tighten" the rules under their series but not go "looser". If we have groups under T&C for pre 78 with X mods but no room for engine conversions from the same manufacture aka Fiat story above - out side of T&C rules as the engine is too large - yet this is what we have seen happen at the tracks time and time again. So can this be fixed? Sure there is the hard nosed - not T&C go away....or should this be allow that but then the group changes? ie a 1971 once was 1600cc Fiat which would have been group 2 under T&C now with its 1995cc has to be moved into group 4 - where the group 4 rules now apply? I guess the tricky bit comes to brakes and suspension. Under pre 78 brake can be upgraded but the post 77 to 15 years old can't change - only pads can be changed. Now lets take a YB power Escort or a Alfa with later twin spark engine. So as a result of the conversion only 1.5mm overbore is now permitted and this Alfa or Escort now has to follow the group 3 and 4 rules. If a series organizer does not want repowers - he locks down his series rules to stop that.

The only one thing I can say about the above is for any pre 78 car with an engine conversion or not the wow should be managed and maybe a simple rule if the chassis is pre 78 15" rims is the bar nothing higher even if used in period - if you want to run with the larger rims in period then go K car racing and be 100% period correct. Then allow brake upgrades that will fit within the 15" rims using period style calipers - however the rest of the later group rules apply.

Anyway guys looking for more thoughts and comments keep this alive.