Bucklers!

[David McKinney]

David, Ferris did more than one version. The story goes (as told to me by Bruce Sutcliffe) that the very original mould was a female one made of plaster of paris. There was one car taken from the moulds and the mould broke up when releasing. That car was driven in Queen St Auckland and backed into by another vehicle. The shell was repaired, according to Bruce not quite symmetrically at the nose, and a mould taken from that car. That mould is known as the Mark 1 and has the tilt front.
Minor alterations including the "hatch" bonnet are the Mark 2. This was all done by Ferris.
Rumour has it that there are a number of moulds. Bruce Sutcliffe says he repaired a body and took a mould off that, a number of the cars have shells from that mould. However "modern" is not really correct as there have been very few if any, shells done since the mid 80s. Does that address your query

Yes, thanks OF
By "modern" I meant post-period

[stubuchanan]

I'd love to know why the modern De Joux bodies as illustrated here have a different - and to my mind less attractive - nose shape from the original '50s AMW product

This 1962 shot of Alwyn Marshall's car at Ostrich Farm Road illustrates the point. I think this AMW body dates back to 1958.



The nose appears longer, similar to Maserati and Osca sports cars of the same period (unsurprisingly) although car has a well-used air about it. Definitely not Concours d'Elegance.

Stu

[markson]

My old Buckler DA5574 how it started off
and how it ended up .Markson

[Paul B]

My old Buckler DA5574 how it started off
and how it ended up .Markson

In the above picture Attachment 21010, the car on the left DA5574 turned up in Manawatu and has recently sold, I took quite a few pictures of it. Sadly it was in poor condition.

[Oldfart]

Thanks for posting that Stu. That is a tilt front Mk1 shell (in my opinion) and certainly has the longer nose. That is the car now owned by Roger Munns number 90 in one of Ross' super photos from Chelsea and illustrates the nose very well in both photos. I think that it would pre-date 1958, but need to do a bit more checking to be sure of that.
Interesting to note that the photo Stu posted has the carbs RH side, perhaps those are the Elva head valve covers poking through the other bonnet cut.

[Roger Dowding]

Interesting stuff, thanks BMC BOY for the photos, question, who is in the Car - dark body white stripe and Roundel for the race number, the Gent has a beard, from a 1982 TACCOC sprint, ??, From memory he was quite an authority on Bucklers like Bruce Sutcliffe, and a member of the Waitemata branch of the Vintage Car Club, that ran Chelsea and other sprints / hillclimbs. ( Lyle Chambers, who had a 1930's BSA front wheel drive [ 4 wheel ] special - with a side valve Ford 10 engine in place of the four cylinder BSA, new him well. the said BSA was run at a Pukekohe sprint with owner Lyle driving and myself been given time to do a few laps too The BSA could hit about 80 mph on the back straight at Pukekohe [ pre-chicanes ] ). Also remember the Glendene Sprints, [ as pictured earlier ] where the Bucklers were and Peter Bruin's, beautiful Lotus 11 sports [ where is that car now ??].

Taken a while but to answer my own question : " the Gent has a beard, " It is Ian Hallett, who I met as he was a mate of Lyle Chambers whom I ahd known since around 1975 and was my flatmate 1980 - 84.

[RGM]

The late Ken White campaigned that car throughout the 1980s and early 90s until he moved on to the Masserari? then on to F5000

[SSharp]

[QUOTE=Roger Dowding;33109]Interesting stuff, thanks BMC BOY for the photos, question, who is in the Car - dark body white stripe and Roundel for the race number, the Gent has a beard, from a 1982 TACCOC sprint, ??, From memory he was quite an authority on Bucklers like Bruce Sutcliffe, and a member of the Waitemata branch of the Vintage Car Club, that ran Chelsea and other sprints / hillclimbs.

That's David Childs.

[Roger Dowding]

Interesting stuff, thanks BMC BOY for the photos, question, who is in the Car - dark body white stripe and Roundel for the race number, the Gent has a beard, from a 1982 TACCOC sprint, ??, From memory he was quite an authority on Bucklers like Bruce Sutcliffe, and a member of the Waitemata branch of the Vintage Car Club, that ran Chelsea and other sprints / hillclimbs. ( Lyle Chambers, who had a 1930's BSA front wheel drive [ 4 wheel ] special - with a side valve Ford 10 engine in place of the four cylinder BSA, new him well. the said BSA was run at a Pukekohe sprint with owner Lyle driving and myself been given time to do a few laps too The BSA could hit about 80 mph on the back straight at Pukekohe [ pre-chicanes ] ). Also remember the Glendene Sprints, [ as pictured earlier ] where the Bucklers were and Peter Bruin's, beautiful Lotus 11 sports [ where is that car now ??].

Just going through the thread, and now remember the name of the Buckler owner / driver,it was Ian Hallet, who I know competed in Teams races with Bruce Sutcliffe and others .. have seen a photo,which I must now find.
Bart Jonkers now owns one of the Green with Yellow stripes Bucklers, the car having left New Zealand during the year.
This car ;

David Child provided the photo.

one of my own photos, AHCCNZ Hill Climb,mid 1980's [ posted before ].

Unsure which of the events, my photos were from a number of years from 1984/5 on to 1989/90 ..

[Roger Dowding]

Interesting stuff, thanks BMC BOY for the photos, question, who is in the Car - dark body white stripe and Roundel for the race number, the Gent has a beard, from a 1982 TACCOC sprint, ??, From memory he was quite an authority on Bucklers like Bruce Sutcliffe, and a member of the Waitemata branch of the Vintage Car Club, that ran Chelsea and other sprints / hillclimbs. ( Lyle Chambers, who had a 1930's BSA front wheel drive [ 4 wheel ] special - with a side valve Ford 10 engine in place of the four cylinder BSA, new him well. the said BSA was run at a Pukekohe sprint with owner Lyle driving and myself been given time to do a few laps too The BSA could hit about 80 mph on the back straight at Pukekohe [ pre-chicanes ] ). Also remember the Glendene Sprints, [ as pictured earlier ] where the Bucklers were and Peter Bruin's, beautiful Lotus 11 sports [ where is that car now ??].

Have found the answer to my last question - the Peter Bruin Lotus 11 is now with the Ganley family

[Roger Dowding]

2013

Interesting stuff, thanks BMC BOY for the photos, question, who is in the Car - dark body white stripe and Roundel for the race number, the Gent has a beard, from a 1982 TACCOC sprint, ??, From memory he was quite an authority on Bucklers like Bruce Sutcliffe, and a member of the Waitemata branch of the Vintage Car Club, that ran Chelsea and other sprints / hillclimbs. ( Lyle Chambers, who had a 1930's BSA front wheel drive [ 4 wheel ] special - with a side valve Ford 10 engine in place of the four cylinder BSA, new him well. the said BSA was run at a Pukekohe sprint with owner Lyle driving and myself been given time to do a few laps too The BSA could hit about 80 mph on the back straight at Pukekohe [ pre-chicanes ] ). Also remember the Glendene Sprints, [ as pictured earlier ] where the Bucklers were and Peter Bruin's, beautiful Lotus 11 sports [ where is that car now ??].

Just going back over this thread - back to 2013 - as have recently seen a few photos by Peter Preston when he owned the Buckler that is now with Mark Garmey, and a previous custodian was " Oldfart " - Rhys Nolan.

To answer my own question ? above.

The Gentleman in the Dark Car with White Stripe TACCOC 1982 by Ross Cammick - is that Ian Hallet ?, who I have seen in a photo with Bruce Sutcliffe and another Buckler Driver, when they won the Team Prize at a Perrier Le Mans Relay Race at Pukekohe in 1982.
The photo, in Post #267, has Bruce Sutcliffe -left, Gentleman with a beard Q centre, and Ian Hallett also with a beard. SSharp noted in 2013 that the Gent in question was quote " That's David Childs. ".
I am now trying to recall what colour Ian Hallets car was. Think it may have been one colour
Now to find the photos, again.

[Oldfart]

IF my ownership database is accurate (and we are constantly correcting it) that car (Ken Whites) is now in the hands of Steve Day who ran it at Leadfoot and Roycroft this year. The next previous owner was Dallas Crampton.
Could also be the car now owned by Steve Sharp which was in the hands of Ron Roycroft for a time. If that is correct it was a car which we show as being first owned by Arthur Harris.

[Oldfart]

Stu, I have been asked by Kelvin if you are sure that the photo from Ostrich Farm is Alwyn. The reason for asking is that he wonders if that might be Cliff Judd, as his car had the body mounted lower on the chassis than most and hence the carbs protruded.
Thanks (and no criticism)

[stubuchanan]

Stu, I have been asked by Kelvin if you are sure that the photo from Ostrich Farm is Alwyn. The reason for asking is that he wonders if that might be Cliff Judd, as his car had the body mounted lower on the chassis than most and hence the carbs protruded.
Thanks (and no criticism)

In response to your delicately-worded query, nothing is ever certain in this world, and yes, I do now believe it is Cliff Judd after considerable reference to programmes, photos, news clippings and another forum! An interesting exercise.

The colour slide in question turns out to have been taken at the NSCC Ostrich Farm Road climb on 18 March 1962. This was a busy weekend, because the previous day we were at the Auckland CC North Island Beach Race Champ at Muriwai. I hope we paid for the petrol in the family car!

Both Judd and Marshall ran in the Le Mans start sports car race at the 1962 GP meeting at Ardmore in January, and I took 4 shots of the start(on my basic 35mm wide angle camera).

Marshall (62) obviously won the foot-race across the track, and was first away, followed by Simon Taylor (33) and Spinner Black (59) in a Mistral.



Further back Ron Roycroft (having a run in the Averys' HWM #34) is alongside Judd's Buckler(159),although Ron might have had to ease off as he was off the track proper and would have to dodge round a marker board up ahead.



It looks clear to me that the "9" on the car at Ostrich Farm is what's left of Judd's "159" from Ardmore. Also, the driver's helmet is different, although Marshall could have shouted himself a new one in the interim, I guess.

Marshall recorded second fastest time at Ostrich Farm, 2 sec slower than Sager's Cooper, Judd was 5th equal, and this was the meeting where John Riley demolished the finish timing equipment while recording 4th fastest.

Stu

(Sorry about photo quality, but they are enlarged portions of 50 year old colour slides)

[Oldfart]

Here are some of Vic Simkin (should that be Simpkin?), very distinctive scoop for Humber 80 motor.

These photos from Brian Skudder

[Oldfart]

And now the Billington "Elfo" which may or may not have been an "authorised" copy.
Thanks to Stu who sent me this one some time back (I think)

[Oldfart]

Stu, thanks for the extras. At some meetings earlier (1960 GP eg) the Judd car shows as 933cc which I find rather interesting, later shows as 1172cc as you would expect.
#62 which is Alwyn shows in this pic with red wheels which might help in identifying some shots too.
31 Sports car entries for the 62 GP meeting, 9 are Bucklers!

[stubuchanan]

Stu, thanks for the extras. At some meetings earlier (1960 GP eg) the Judd car shows as 933cc which I find rather interesting, later shows as 1172cc as you would expect.
#62 which is Alwyn shows in this pic with red wheels which might help in identifying some shots too.
31 Sports car entries for the 62 GP meeting, 9 are Bucklers!

Somewhere I have a news clipping describing the Marshall car as immaculate. I should have realised it wasn't the one in the Ostrich Farm photo.

The Elfo Special (Reg 422-146) appeared on the AMW display at the pre-1958 GP Car Show at the Newmarket CarPark Building. It was entered by Billington as a Ford 10 Special, which supports the non-Buckler theory.



A nicely-finished car, all the doors and panels fitted properly. Photo not helped by my non-functioning flash unit.

Stu

[David McKinney]

Judd first raced his car with a Ford 8 engine (933cc), later Ford 10 (1172)

[Oldfart]

The Rick Harris car (which I owned for a while) is now in superb restored condition with Mark Garmey. I know that he would like any history that can be offered. Check your private messages for an email address Royce.