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    From the 1968 NZGP programme.
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    Roger,
    This has the word Northern in it and I thought you might be interested in this scene from 1957 in the 1958 NZGP programme.

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    But I digress

    Quote Originally Posted by khyndart in CA View Post
    Roger,
    This has the word Northern in it and I thought you might be interested in this scene from 1957 in the 1958 NZGP programme.

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    Ken H,
    I am sure there is a connection - this Northern Sports Car Club and a Triumph guy 3 times with a GT6, The TR4A IRS Overdrive and a 2.5 P. I. used to go mainly to Collett and Fleming the Triumph and later BL dealers in Point Chevalier, but most of their stuff came via Northern Automobiles, so that is the connection.
    " COLLETT & FLEMING LIMITED was registered as New Zealand Limited Company on 04 Nov 1948, registered at 133 Vincent Street, Auckland , New Zealand. "
    Company was deregistered in 1990 but Neil Hyde took over the business [ premises and trade ] in 1984 and Hyde Automotive is now in New Lynn where I used to work late 1980's 1985 to 1992 - two stints, New Lynn has many Automotive Specialists, and my MGB used to go there for work to be done by an MG Specialist and MG Racer Garth Bagnall,
    but I digress !!

    Here is the Bob Tullius TR6, being unloaded from a plane - Those TR's get around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milan Fistonic View Post
    The Club Meeting held by the NSCC at Ardmore the week following the NZ Grand Prix.

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    Just going back over the thread ; - as have found out more information about Jack Boot and his involvement with the Roycrofts [ A. J Father and Ron J son ] and the " BugLey " the Riley - Bugatti-Riley or Riley Bugatti - more to come on Jack Boot later.

    In the attachment above from Milan Fistonic of " Little Ardmore " in January 1960 meeting are Allan Woolf in a Ford - his Ford 8 and there is in the Sports cars R Billington in the " Elfo Special ".

    Had not seen the " Elfo " until I came across this photo. R Billington from Whangarei in the Elfo Special at Levin in 1958. A Ferris De Joux body on the Ford Special it had an 1172 cc side valve Ford 10 motor.

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    NSCC Clubrooms - Celebrating 50 Years August 1972 - August 2022

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    Constructed during 1972 with many members providing the Labour ..
    Here a scene from the opening ceremony in August 1972 - Minister of Transport Mr Gordon speaking, Morrie Chandler, Lew Lack and others seated.

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    Newspaper clippings of the Construction and comment about NSCC.
    - from South Auckland Courier - a Suburban Newspapers publication - unsure where I found them

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    Rod Peat, Rob Grimwood, David Simpson and others commented on the Facebook page I found the top photo.
    There is a plan for a Celebration by " The Older Guard " of the Club to hold an event at the Clubrooms in Mount Richmond Domain in August 2022 .. Rod Peat, Mal Clark and others are giving advanced notice.
    There does not appear to be anything " Official " from the Club.
    We shall wait and see !!.

    2022 would be the 80th Anniversary of the first gatherings of the group that formed the Club in 1943 - when it was Incorporated in October of 1943 - all this with a War going on..
    All sorts of restrictions - petrol and food rationing, etc,

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    Competitors [ Car ] Club

    " Competitors Car Club ". [ Italics mine - see note ]
    Had read about this Club originally from Bob Homewood with a report on a Race Meeting at Seagrove, Manukau in 1947/48. Later got the full report from Graeme Staples - known as Spyda in Motor Cycle racing circles
    Re-reading the Book - A Limited Edition by NZ Classic Car Magazine entitled " Classic Kiwi Motorsport " published in 2004.
    The article some 50 pages was a series of seven article that had previously appeared in the magazine about Ron Roycroft.
    It states that the Competitors Club was an " unofficial ' intersection ' club within NZMRDC [ later Auckland Car Club ] and NSCC, which organised the races at Seagrove on a monthly basis over the Summer.
    This would have been just prior to the formation of the ANZCC, Association of New Zealand Car Clubs around 1948/50 [ must clarify ]

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    The original article from Bob Homewood and Graeme Staples archives.
    Note the report is 1949 the event is late 1948. - November.

    Pages 21 and 22 of Motor Sport Nostalgia publication

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    The results in respect of those early meanings may appear confusing. I attended a couple and it was notable that those driving shiny production sports cars, seemed to be out on a Sunday drive and in no way stressed their rare and valuable machinery. Where as the drivers of specials and the like were hard at it. It is not surprising that Laurie Powell overtook the field in a handicap race. It is also significant that Dr. Ken Orr's very new Jowet Jupiter was not being driven by its owner when rolled. Not to say that Gordon brown was reckless.

    Medical officer at many important motor races, Ken Orr was my chosen GP until he became specialist in physical medicine. Laurie Powell was also a patient. I recall when I attended Ken's surgery at night, I would often let others in the waiting room go ahead of me, so that I was last to receive attention. As a result we often talked fast cars well into the night.

    One conversation involved an incident which occurred when Ken Wharton was killed driving his Monza Ferrari in the sports car race, run at Ardmore together with the NZIGP. Ken described how during the high speed run to Hospital in the back of an ambulance, he and an assistant bored a hole in the patients head using a screw driver, as a means of releasing blood pressing on the brain, but to no avail.

    Together with Laurie Powell I manned a flag point at the this unfortunate event. We were close to a tight but fat corner and I can truly say that this was the only time I have seen a car properly drifted. Ken Wharton braked the Ferrari absolutely on the limit, then set it up under brakes somewhat side ways to drift the car into and through the corner under a balanced throttle. He then opened up to roar off with the minimum of wheelspin and repeated this on each lap, until he ceased to appear. What is more he drove sitting back with straight arms.

    If any one is interested I can advise as to the exact reason for the accident.

    The late Ken Orr was an excellent doctor and continued in practice through to a good old age. When I asked why? He replied "why not".

    He called in at my home on the way home one evening to collect a copy of my book and paid on the spot. It was good to see him. He was small in stature and quiet of voice, but a very big man.
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    Ken Wharton, Ken Orr, your story Trevor Sheffield.

    Trevor, thank you for your story.

    " If any one is interested I can advise as to the exact reason for the accident."

    The Ken Wharton accident has been the subject of quite a few comments and statements about what actually happened. Have read a few in books,but not from the newspapers of the day.

    Your close proximity " Together with Laurie Powell I manned a flag point at the this unfortunate event." to the accident
    I for one would appreciate your comments.

    Regarding Dr Ken Orr and his cars - have also read a little about them and Gordon Brown Racing his car and others.

    Please keep contributing to this thread,
    Northern Sports Car Club website actually has a link to the TRS " unofficial story " of the Clubs early years, which I started as being about the 1940's information from my late Uncle but now goes forward into the 1980's and even a bit from later.
    With the 50th year celebration of the NSCC Clubrooms next year, and it being the 80th Anniversary of when a few Sports Car enthusiast got together in mid 1942, 2022 should be a big year for the Club.

    I confess I have not managed to get to the Club to go through all those Club Torque magazines that you contributed back to the Club.
    I unfortunately disposed of all of mine from 1967 to 1980 - now regret that happening.

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    The huge disparity in respect of road speed between the front to back runners caused grave concern. Officialdom lacking racing experience wrongly set down an extraordinary rule whereby overtaking was only allowed on the outside.

    Furthermore instructions covering the rule were issued only verbally at the drivers meeting. The was no guarantee that they were properly heard or correctly understood. Nor was there any check or confirmation ensuring that all drivers were present. Some drivers did verbally raise objections but to no avail.

    A slow car driver observed a fast car coming up on his rear. There was maximum room to his left, therefore he moved gradually over towards his right so as to provide even more space. The fast overtaking driver assumed that he must abide by the rule and attempted to overtake on the right. The slower car inadvertently slowly shut him out and he was forced to run wide beyond the edge of the course and climbed an obstruction which in any event should not have been so close.

    The officials were the direct cause of the accident by upsetting normal well known and expected, racing rules and procedure for no good reason. There was no logic involved in imposing a specific and extraordinary rule for a single and individual race. It was tantamount to requiring daily drivers to revert to driving on the right within only a small section of a city.

    I heard Rolly Crowther say that the faster car should have simply driven straight through the slower car. However it was a fact that the fast driver was a sportsman, a gentleman and that would not have been cricket.
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