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    "Note 3, Colin McGregor drove for Cowper - this would connect with Trevor Sheffield recalling that Colin McGregor had or built a Ford 10 Special - would seem it was Jocks car that passed to Cowper Note 3, Colin McGregor drove for Cowper - this would connect with Trevor Sheffield recalling that Colin McGregor had or built a Ford 10 Special - would seem it was Jocks car that passed to Cowper "

    Not so, the McGregor car was a separate entity and went through several owners including Jim Lockley a well known NSCC office holder. Lockley senior's company was one of the first offset printers in Auckland and for several years printed Club Torque. Jim instigated this section of the business which was previously confined to plan printing and the supply of drawing instruments etc.

    "Note 4, The photo in the Graham Vercoe book is of the second Special " Aitken - Ford 10 " with a simpler less rounded body and cycle guards - not fitted for the races at Muriwai in 1954 - "

    I can not locate the photo and to the best of my memory Jock Aitken built only one special. Please explain.

    The photos shown appear to be improved somewhat and it can be seen that the car has separately but closely mounted headlights. This would tie in with my memory of the car when comparing it with the Singford. Furthermore it it brings into the equation the car suggested by "Oldfart". i.e. "rather like a TF MG. The plot thickens. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor Sheffield View Post
    "Note 3, Colin McGregor drove for Cowper - this would connect with Trevor Sheffield recalling that Colin McGregor had or built a Ford 10 Special - would seem it was Jocks car that passed to Cowper Note 3, Colin McGregor drove for Cowper - this would connect with Trevor Sheffield recalling that Colin McGregor had or built a Ford 10 Special - would seem it was Jocks car that passed to Cowper "

    Not so, the McGregor car was a separate entity and went through several owners including Jim Lockley a well known NSCC office holder. Lockley senior's company was one of the first offset printers in Auckland and for several years printed Club Torque. Jim instigated this section of the business which was previously confined to plan printing and the supply of drawing instruments etc.

    "Note 4, The photo in the Graham Vercoe book is of the second Special " Aitken - Ford 10 " with a simpler less rounded body and cycle guards - not fitted for the races at Muriwai in 1954 - "

    I can not locate the photo and to the best of my memory Jock Aitken built only one special. Please explain.

    The photos shown appear to be improved somewhat and it can be seen that the car has separately but closely mounted headlights. This would tie in with my memory of the car when comparing it with the Singford. Furthermore it it brings into the equation the car suggested by "Oldfart". i.e. "rather like a TF MG. The plot thickens. LOL
    Trevor, thanks, another car we need to find out about. The McGregor one !
    - re ; " I can not locate the photo and to the best of my memory Jock Aitken built only one special. Please explain. "

    The note about Jock building two cars is in the Vercoe book and there is a photo of it which I have yet to scan.
    The photo shows the car parked next to the Singford and the Ivy Stephenson " blown MG TC ".


    To add to confusion and bring another car into the story - there seem to have been 4 " Singford " cars built by the Tilsley boys, Don, Bob and Glen in the 1950's - 1951 - 1957 All before I was around the motor scene only 10 at the time the last Singford was built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Dowding View Post
    Trevor, thanks, another car we need to find out about. The McGregor one !
    - re ; " I can not locate the photo and to the best of my memory Jock Aitken built only one special. Please explain. "

    The note about Jock building two cars is in the Vercoe book and there is a photo of it which I have yet to scan.
    The photo shows the car parked next to the Singford and the Ivy Stephenson " blown MG TC ".


    To add to confusion and bring another car into the story - there seem to have been 4 " Singford " cars built by the Tilsley boys, Don, Bob and Glen in the 1950's - 1951 - 1957 All before I was around the motor scene only 10 at the time the last Singford was built.
    As far as I am aware, Jock Aitken built only one car but drove a Dodge Special owned by Clarry Irwin and may have had some hand in its construction.

    PS After having located the photo on on page 2 of the Vercoe book, I am confident that the second car is indeed the first Singford, with its unpainted one piece aluminium bonnet removed. The third car is not that of Ivy Stephenson who owned a normally aspirated MG TD with disc wheels..

    When did Ivy Stephenson own a blown MG TC as did Sybil Lupp ? Two ladies of renown.

    There were only three Tilsley cars built i.e. two sports type specials and one single seater racing car. However there was a project car built by the Tilsleys which was completed and bodied by others.
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    Ivy Stephenson - her cars.

    Trevor, thanks for your notes - and finding the photo in the Vercoe book

    " PS After having located the photo on on page 2 of the Vercoe book, I am confident that the second car is indeed the first Singford, with its unpainted one piece aluminium bonnet removed. The third car is not that of Ivy Stephenson who owned a normally aspirated MG TD with disc wheels.. "

    We know Graham Vercoe books have inaccuracies and he didn't seem to accept corrections to errors.
    I understand that he acquired photos, etc to use in his books, forgot whose they were and never returned them.

    Would be good find photos of Ivy's MG, there are a few of Sybill Lupp's cars - mainly her Jaguars.

    Ivy of course had a Buckler in later years, into the 1960's and a Lola Climax in the later 1960's.

    Ivy in her Buckler NSCC patch on her Overalls - Richard Armstrong archives

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    The Lola Climax at Pukekohe in 1966 - my own photo

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    As for the Tilsley Boys, I do not know a lot about their cars - I have more reading to do.

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    The first car in the photo is captioned, "The Aitken-Ford 10 Special No. 2." at Muriwai 1954, reportedly having made its debut at Seagrove in 1951 and at a later date was fitted with a Ford V8 engine.

    The car also appears partly concealed on page 55, showing a Buckler at Ardmore in 1951.
    Apparently Jock Aitken drove Clarry Irvin's Dodge Special at Muriwai in 1954, at Ohakia and Ardmore in 1955 and definitely at a quarter mile sprint meeting held on the unfinished Northern Motorway 3/10/55, where he won the 3000 - 5000 cc class at 16.6 s. I ran my Singer Le Mans with my wife driving and the results show no record of Jock Aitken running in any other car.

    I recall Jock driving a large engined car and thought this recollection involved the Dodge Special. However Ford V8 hangs in my ind rather than Dodge, so that it could be that there was a second car. Even so the car pictured does not fit the bill in my mind or opinion.

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    Cosseys Farm a competitor - Peter Levet in his Mini

    A set of photo's of Peter Levet competing at Cosseys Farm in March 1974.
    The first photos shows the talked about concrete pad that was the start with the " cowpats "
    - also shows Steve Hamilton in the next car on the line and a few other competitors in the " paddock " area.
    The photos from Milan Fistonic's extensive archives - Photographer stated as " unknown ".

    The photos are in sequence from Start through the middle section the tight right hander and up through the "Top Gate " before the sweeper to the finish.

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    Name:  NSCC #193 Peter Levet Cosseys the central part March 1974 M Fistonic archives .jpg
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    Name:  NSCC #194 Peter Levet Cosseys the tight right March 1974 M Fistonic archives .jpg
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    Name:  NSCC #196 Peter Levet Cosseys top gate, near finish March 1974 M Fistonic archives .jpg
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    Photo from the 1967 article on the New Venue of Cosseys Farm, showing the track / road.

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    Ostrich Farm Road, an NSCC Hill Climb venue

    Finding more our about when certain Hill Roads were used by NSCC and other Clubs and came across these via Bob Homewood - he has a facebook link about the great Late Ted Thompson of Kumeu and a few photos of the Mini-Ford,
    A Ford crossflow 1500 Motor grafted to a Mini Gearbox running huge carburettors and 13 inch wheels on the front usual mini 10 inch on the rear.

    The Hill Climb details ; Ted running a special Ford V8 engine in a Ford 10 - there are some pictures of the motor too

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    Name:  NSCC 1961 #11 November 12,1961 Ostrich Farm Road results Milan Fistonic .jpg
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    Forrest Cardon in the Lycoming - pre Jim Boyd - lots of other well known 60's [ 50's -70/80's ] drivers too !!

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    NSCC Hillclimb venues

    Originally posted this, but more information has been forthcoming ;

    1940's - late in the decade. First Hill Climb appears to be in 1946
    1946 - 47.

    Taylors Bay, Hillsborough - unsure which road was used.

    Pokeno again no details on which road was used.

    Ostrich Farm Road - late 1940's **- understand this may have been the Auckland Car Club's venue not NSCC ?

    ** Used in 1961 as have some results from an event there in November 1961 posted in previous thread
    The plot / story continues ..
    1950's

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    " Wairamarama Onewhero Road, Onewhero "

    described as Wairamarama Road, Glen Murray in some details about an early Hill Climb - near Ron Roycrofts place - used definitely in 1956.
    Thanks to Trevor for the correction of spelling - makes it easier to find on a map !!

    1960's

    Wharepapa Road, Helensville - used early 1960's ** maybe 1964

    Birdwood Road, Massey - area now called Birdwood as Massey is a large area. used 1964 - 65, did they keep using it until Cosseys was used in March 1967.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Dowding View Post
    Originally posted this, but more information has been forthcoming ;

    1940's - late in the decade. First Hill Climb appears to be in 1946
    1946 - 47.

    Taylors Bay, Hillsborough - unsure which road was used.

    Pokeno again no details on which road was used.

    Ostrich Farm Road - late 1940's **- understand this may have been the Auckland Car Club's venue not NSCC ?

    ** Used in 1961 as have some results from an event there in November 1961 posted in previous thread
    The plot / story continues ..
    1950's

    **
    " Wairamarama Onewhero Road, Onewhero "

    described as Wairamarama Road, Glen Murray in some details about an early Hill Climb - near Ron Roycrofts place - used definitely in 1956.
    Thanks to Trevor for the correction of spelling - makes it easier to find on a map !!

    1960's

    Wharepapa Road, Helensville - used early 1960's ** maybe 1964

    Birdwood Road, Massey - area now called Birdwood as Massey is a large area. used 1964 - 65, did they keep using it until Cosseys was used in March 1967.
    Ostrich Farm Road was definitely a NSSC hillclimb and to the best of my knowledge and recollection was never used by the ACC.

    Wairamarama I am certain was an exclusive NSSC venue.

    During this period the two Auckland Clubs as a matter of principle, did not attempt to gain the use of what was considered to be the others patch. This attitude was important so as to prevent confusion and possible competition involving applications made to the public body involved. It worked very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor Sheffield View Post
    Ostrich Farm Road was definitely a NSSC hillclimb and to the best of my knowledge and recollection was never used by the ACC.

    Wairamarama I am certain was an exclusive NSSC venue.

    During this period the two Auckland Clubs as a matter of principle, did not attempt to gain the use of what was considered to be the others patch. This attitude was important so as to prevent confusion and possible competition involving applications made to the public body involved. It worked very well.
    Good information, Thanks Trevor.
    I like the idea that the clubs collaborated, was certainly like that when I was involved in the 1970;s - helping out at ACC events and they with ours, plus with Pukekohe Car Club, Hamilton, Thames Valley and Tokoroa.

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    Austin 7 Supercharged Monoposto - The " Rubber Duck "

    Photo of the Car when George Smith owned the ex Phil Seabrook Car
    [ Seabrook Fowlds - the Auckland Austin dealers ]
    A bit more of the story.

    This is from 1936 ..

    Bob Homewood who posted the photo wrote ;

    " A very early NZ visit by George Smith across the Tasman to compete at Victor Harbor in 1936 and amazing also when you research some of this stuff what else you find for instance this fact .......The 1937 Australian Grand Prix is a name which has been applied retrospectively to the 1936 South Australian Centenary Grand Prix, a motor race held on the Port Elliot-Victor Harbor road circuit in South Australia on Boxing Day, 26 December 1936 "

    " The Austin was the ex Phil Seabrook ex works car ,by all accounts Smith was over handicapped out of the event and the race report has him retiring on lap 7,going on a comment I was told a long time ago ,also I don't think he was over happy with the roughness of the circuit it appears there was another NZ er at that meeting as well , a Eric Morgan who appears in the entry list as " Cire Nagrom' for reasons only known to him who was entered in the ex Zaborowski Miller 8 but apparently it was damaged in a race day accident on the way to the circuit and it was sold shortly after the meeting to a South Australian buyer "

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    A slightly later photo of the Car - still in the light Green colour but with a different George [ George Sellars ] who owned the car in 1946 .. here at Muriwai in 1946 - later in the year at Orewa the was a dark colour - Blue as it was when with Ron Roycroft in 1949 into the 1950's ..

    Name:  NSCC #466 S C Austin 7 George Sellars Muriwai Beach March 1946  Duncan Fox  (800x598) (3).jpg
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    Good that more information is being found.
    Thanks to Bob Homewood, an NSCC Guy from back in the 1970's
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