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    Ross C, thanks your photos are of much better quality than mine, and vehicles I had forgotten about. I had the McLaren M6B GT in the background in some shots.
    Love the action one at the corkscrew where we spent a lot of that weekend.
    cheers Roger D
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    1982 Laguna Seca

    Here's a few more shots from the "corkscrew" Roger. Not very close-up as I didn't take big lenses when travelling, but good enough to give an indication of some of the action.

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    1982 Laguna Seca

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    This is an amazing thread! Loving these pics you guys. Amazing to think many of these cars, such as the Cobras, Porchase 911s and 917s, McLaren M6GT etc, weren't actually all that old in 1982, but were already desirable classics.

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    Monterey - Laguna Seca the Ninth running of the Historics..

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Holmes View Post
    This is an amazing thread! Loving these pics you guys. Amazing to think many of these cars, such as the Cobras, Porchse 911s and 917s, McLaren M6GT etc, weren't actually all that old in 1982, but were already desirable classics.
    Steve,
    it was an amazing weekend, we. " BMC BOY ", myself, and friends, Kiwi and American, loved the racing, had social fun,
    sat on the Corkscrew, between, the long walk to the pits, and then back up the hill.

    Now been running for over 40 years..

    The Cars were brilliant, some I had never ever seen, and there would be several of the same " Alfa Romeo GTZ's " Mercedes Gullwings, et al.

    Porsche - it was there theme meeting.. as a friend from San Diego, A Healey guy said " Bloody Hair Dryers " = aircooled

    Enjoy, I have run out of photo's , for the moment, but Ross has a few more.. !!

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    Laguna Seca, Monterey California as it looks today

    View courtesy " Vintage Motorsport " magazines online newsletter.

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    Shown before the circuit and surrounds in 1982 - B and W but around the same way

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    Very different as has the loop section around the lake now, I thought had it the wrong way around, but the Corkscrew Top Right is the constant.
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    Monterey - Laguna Seca the 2016 the 43 rd !! running of the Historics..

    Mike Ryan from NZ is there, Ken Hyndman ex NZ will be there, with Dale Mathers and others.. hope they post many photos..

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    Monterey - Laguna Seca the Ninth running of the Historics..

    part of the entry list 1982, the Siata is there for 2016..

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    there is a Kurtis 500 there as well, thought to be this car ..

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    Monterey - Laguna Seca the Ninth running of the Historics.. 1982

    Had forgotten about this thread of mine until today when I went looking for a photo - which I must have deleted.
    Hopefully it is in here - my shot of the Buick Nailhead engine of Ol' Yeller 2.

    There has been a photo of the " Baldwin Special " when it raced in NZ 1999 and again in 2005 and 2006 which prompted me to look up some stuff.

    Not to do with Monterey in this picture but here is the Baldwin and the Lycoming [ USA vs NZ Specials ] The Baldwin has raced at Laguna Seca, have a bit of a story from ex-pat Kiwi Mike Ryan who is its current keeper for the owner.

    Some of the story on the car ;

    Details from a book I have : " 1946 Ford chassis [ shortened ] and fitted with a Mercury 59A block of 284.4 c.i. [ 4660 cc in English Money - " Old Money " as they say ]. "
    Was driven by Hastings Harcourt at Pebble Beach in 1952 - the precursor to Monterey, a Road Course.

    Stewart Quertier who posted the photo writes ; " Jim Herlinger from California , in the Baldwin Mercury built in 1949 Jim came out to the Southern Festival of speed 3 times first in 1999. then in 2005 Jim left it with me here in NZ , and they return in 2006 , Jim invited my son Mark to drive the Baldwin at Monterey Historics in 2007 something he will never forget "


    Mike writes ;" Roger, I've been looking after the Baldwin since Jim passed away for it's current owner Rob Manson. A car with great California racing provenance. It's now on average 5 seconds a lap quicker than when Jim owned it. Mostly chassis tuning has accomplished this. Jim was a damned good driver and a fun guy to be around. We miss his presence. "

    The photo :

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    Now to go and find the photo - TRS was a bit erratic earlier - see ERC had trouble uploading too !!

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    Roger,
    Is this the photo of Ol' Yella that you took ?
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    Also here is some "Baldwin" information.
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    in 1949 as English driver, Philip Payne drives through in his class winning Baldwin Special.



    "
    THE BALDWIN “PAYNE” SPECIAL
    This car is probably the most memorable “Sports Rod” of the early days of the sports car movement in America, being a typical example of a late 1940s "California Hot Rod", carried a step beyond what the normal hot rodders were doing at the time. Known in the States as an AV8, i.e. an A Type Ford chassis housing a Ford V8 motor.

    In 1947, my late father, Philip Payne, drove across the States in a Brooklands Riley, before working at Roger Barlow’s ‘International Motors’ in Los Angeles. He became interested in the local sports car and hot rod scene and was an early member of the California Sports Car Club, as well as The Glendale Sidewinders (SCTA).

    He purchased this Special (91 S 663) in November 1947, from Willis Baldwin of Santa Barbara – the “father” of road racing specials. Baldwin built this, the first of four specials, in 1947, using the frame of a 1932 Ford. My father quickly replaced the Cadillac side-valve, installing a hot 4.4 litre (268.4 c.i.) Mercury Flathead with an Iskenderian track-grind cam, Evans 9:1 heads and triple-carb intake manifold, producing some 175 bhp @ 5,000 rpm. Drive is through a lightened flywheel, 10 in Mercury clutch and three-speed Ford Pilot transmission with a home-built remote shift linkage to a 3.78:1 rear axle. The cowl covers a split-centre Ford radiator whilst the grille consists of curved lengths of welding wire. The bonnet is of 20 guage alloy and the air scoop is from a North American aircraft, whilst an Auburn dash is used. Front cycle-type wings were made from spare wheel-cover bands.

    The “Baldwin ‘Payne’ Special” proved very competitive and successful in many Southern Californian events, ranging from circuit racing to hill climbs and dry lake trials. Returning to Portsmouth, England in October 1950, my father continued to sprint the car (FTP 348), gaining successes at Southsea Motor Club events, held at the famous Goodwood circuit, as well as Gosport Automobile Club speed trials. Bill Boddy wrote a very favourable ‘The Editor Encounters A Hot-Rod’ article in “Motorsport” of January 1952, having previously been very sceptical of the performance of Hot Rods – this lead to a very heated exchange of transatlantic letters in that magazine!

    Naturally, the car has a very special place in the Payne household (Philip’s widow Vicky, and son Stephen), and is superbly maintained by Alan Collins, the Jaguar specialist, of Maldon, Essex. An overhaul was completed prior to the car’s appearance at The Cartier Style et Luxe at the 2001 Goodwood Festival of Speed, keeping the car as original to its’ illustrious sports rod heritage. "
    ( Tams Old Car site )

    (Ken H)

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    Baldwin and Baldwin !. and Ol' Yeller 2

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    Roger,
    Is this the photo of Ol' Yella that you took ?
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    in 1949 as English driver, Philip Payne drives through in his class winning Baldwin Special.



    "
    THE BALDWIN “PAYNE” SPECIAL
    This car is probably the most memorable “Sports Rod” of the early days of the sports car movement in America, being a typical example of a late 1940s "California Hot Rod", carried a step beyond what the normal hot rodders were doing at the time. Known in the States as an AV8, i.e. an A Type Ford chassis housing a Ford V8 motor.

    In 1947, my late father, Philip Payne, drove across the States in a Brooklands Riley, before working at Roger Barlow’s ‘International Motors’ in Los Angeles. He became interested in the local sports car and hot rod scene and was an early member of the California Sports Car Club, as well as The Glendale Sidewinders (SCTA).

    He purchased this Special (91 S 663) in November 1947, from Willis Baldwin of Santa Barbara – the “father” of road racing specials. Baldwin built this, the first of four specials, in 1947, using the frame of a 1932 Ford. My father quickly replaced the Cadillac side-valve, installing a hot 4.4 litre (268.4 c.i.) Mercury Flathead with an Iskenderian track-grind cam, Evans 9:1 heads and triple-carb intake manifold, producing some 175 bhp @ 5,000 rpm. Drive is through a lightened flywheel, 10 in Mercury clutch and three-speed Ford Pilot transmission with a home-built remote shift linkage to a 3.78:1 rear axle. The cowl covers a split-centre Ford radiator whilst the grille consists of curved lengths of welding wire. The bonnet is of 20 guage alloy and the air scoop is from a North American aircraft, whilst an Auburn dash is used. Front cycle-type wings were made from spare wheel-cover bands.

    The “Baldwin ‘Payne’ Special” proved very competitive and successful in many Southern Californian events, ranging from circuit racing to hill climbs and dry lake trials. Returning to Portsmouth, England in October 1950, my father continued to sprint the car (FTP 348), gaining successes at Southsea Motor Club events, held at the famous Goodwood circuit, as well as Gosport Automobile Club speed trials. Bill Boddy wrote a very favourable ‘The Editor Encounters A Hot-Rod’ article in “Motorsport” of January 1952, having previously been very sceptical of the performance of Hot Rods – this lead to a very heated exchange of transatlantic letters in that magazine!

    Naturally, the car has a very special place in the Payne household (Philip’s widow Vicky, and son Stephen), and is superbly maintained by Alan Collins, the Jaguar specialist, of Maldon, Essex. An overhaul was completed prior to the car’s appearance at The Cartier Style et Luxe at the 2001 Goodwood Festival of Speed, keeping the car as original to its’ illustrious sports rod heritage. "
    ( Tams Old Car site )

    (Ken H)
    Ken H, One of them I lost the one of the Ol' Yeller 2, engine - but is in here - my filing system is not great and I have been trying to rename/ renumber in better sequence photos to get them in better order - It takes ages.

    The engine ;
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    The " Baldwin ' Payne ' Special " is I had believed a different car to the " Baldwin ' Mercury ' Special " but reading the above article maybe not so sure !! **[ see note below ] as it was originally Cadillac powered and then Mercury.
    ** Seems the " Baldwin ' Payne ' " is in the UK and the " Baldwin ' Mercury ' is with Mike Ryan in the USA [ California ] close to Ken H maybe ??
    I have just received from another ex Pat Kiwi Mike Ryan a photo of the engine in the Baldwin as it is now !
    The car looks great in both forms -more Hot Rod in the " Payne " photo.

    Here is the engine - thanks for " Your Inputs " Ken - as you would say.

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    Cheers
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    Roger,
    My friend ,Stu Hanssen has this beautifully restored 1951 Baldwin. Chassis 8C14846.
    Often seen racing at Laguna Seca each August.

    https://www.conceptcarz.com/z25000/baldwin-special.aspx


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    More Baldwin info at this site.
    http://www.tamsoldracecarsite.net/BaldwinSpecial.html

    (Ken H )

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    Ken H,

    Thanks for your Baldwin links -great reading have had a glance and will go back to them.

    Cheers

    Roger D ..

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    2019 - that Hill looks very similar..

    The Hill - Ken H photo 2019 - mentioned on Ken H thread too !!

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    as we saw it in 1982

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    As an aside :
    Not anywhere like Laguna Seca but, off to Pukekohe this weekend for the first day of the ITM Supersprint for the Supercars. 70 laps of the 1.75 mile [ yes old money] track - may be varied a bit with chicanes and kinks ..
    Hope Scott McLaughlin gets his win to equal Craig Lowndes for most wins in a season.
    Support Races are Tranz-Ams /Muscle Cars and Formula Ford [ will probably miss the SsangYong Utes though - or have to get there early..

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    Monterey - Laguna Seca the Ninth Historics. 1982 memorabilia

    Some memorabilia from the Event and places visited at the time.

    Sports Front Page from the " Sunday Peninsula Herald " 22nd August 1982.

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    The report with a copy of the poster /flyer for the event - This is in Blue and is the same image as the Programme Cover that was in full colour.

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    A Montage of items from the time of the event -

    Pamphlet on the " Sly McFly " chain of Restaurants - this one from the Monterey, Cannery Row one which we ate at.
    A hand drawn Map of the USA / Canada border and on to Kitsalano Vancouver BC, Canada to get to a friends house.
    SVRA Brochure - their members were racing at Laguna Seca.
    Cold Spring Tavern brochure with a History of the Tavern, near Santa Barbara up in the Hills behind the city.

    Went there a couple of times, first with some Austin Healey people and later 4 Kiwis in a Kombi went again on our way North from Los Angeles to eventually Vancouver BC.

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    Coming up 40 years since the event - Ken H, knows the track well and has posted his more recent visits thereon TRS.
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    Roger,
    You would have passed right by Los Olivos and Mattei's Tavern as you headed north from Cold Spring Tavern in 1982. The taverns were about one day of stagecoach travel back in the 1880s. Sorry I missed seeing you all back then. We had a VW Kombi also at that time.
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    Cold Spring Tavern - a bit more

    Quote Originally Posted by khyndart in CA View Post
    Roger,
    You would have passed right by Los Olivos and Mattei's Tavern as you headed north from Cold Spring Tavern in 1982. The taverns were about one day of stagecoach travel back in the 1880s. Sorry I missed seeing you all back then. We had a VW Kombi also at that time.
    KH.
    The Tavern - photo from July - August 1982.

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    - their own more recent photo - from about 2015 .. looks a bit different but still OLD !!

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    The Mailer - brochure - must photograph the inside has the story in it.

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    " Sorry I missed seeing you all back then. We had a VW Kombi also at that time. "

    Ken H, yes me too, we knew several of the same people, the Healey Guys ; -
    Hans Nohr, Walt Glendenning,
    and the Apprentice Eric Grunden who worked for Jim Mann who ran a VW workshop owned a 3000 as was in partnership with Walt in " Absolutely British ".. Others would have been to Moss Motors too, as all working on Healeys and other " British " Sports Cars ..
    I think we went to Moss Motors at the time - can;t remember exactly where it was but think near Santa Monica.

    Cheers

    Roger
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    Nice work Roger and ken, we all appreciate the time and effort you put in to making your images available to us.

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    Laguna Seca, Monterey - the original track plan

    Put this on the Ken H thread about Monterey 2022.
    This believed to be from 1959 - the first ? meeting.

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    Worth comparing with the more recent images of the track in recent times.

    The Corkscrew is Turn 5 with a crossing [ bridge ] in this plan.

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