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    Here we go again... There is nothing that hasn't been said before, but I'll put my neck on the block! Shoot me down if you like - I have had 20 years of criticism from some quarters anyway, so another blast won't be any different.

    A vocal minority trying to push the majority, regardless?

    More funding just to make sure those with a CoD are compliant?

    What about the huge amount of income generated by the non-CoD drivers? Are their wishes just going to be ignored? Is anyone going to represent them? The H & C Commission obviously doesn't.

    Or, are the powers that be ignoring them (they certainly don't want to support any class that doesn't embrace the CoD concept and philosophy in its current form) that maybe they are deliberately trying to create an "Outlaws" movement within the overall Classic fraternity, who identify with the Classic movement and definitely not the club movement?

    Having had a CoD for my main car for 20 years, I can't say that it has made a blind bit of difference either to the ability to race or in any way add even the cost of processing it to the real value of the car.

    Most meeting organisers have been financially hit hard when they tried to go 100% CoD and to date, I'm not really sure that despite the honourable intentions, HMC, after several years, thousands of words in support of the pure historic mantra and more publicity than any other classic/historic class, bar none, can be deemed financially successful for any promoter. Even Dale's frustrations for the lack of actual support at meetings has been aired on this board not so long ago, so surely, there must be some concern that the support isn't as strong as some people believe it should be?

    Running at just 4 or five events a year, sorry, but HMC has not yet come up with the numbers. Easy enough for anyone who cares to do any research through AMB and just multiply those entries by the $50 MSNZ fee and compare to those other classes that everyone seems to attack, but are adding to the MSNZ coffers every time they race. I know EXACTLY how much we have contributed on race entry fees alone but we appear to be increasingly overlooked and ignored, despite the obvious contribution to not only the coffers but also to the rich fabric of whatever you want to call the meetings to which we are invited.

    Thanks to HRC and particularly Chris Watson for the tremendous support over recent years and for guaranteeing a spot on their race programmes. Any moves to try and blunt the success of some meetings by trying to tell promoters who they can and can't invite is not going to be for the overall benefit of the sport. Classes are and will be historically pure or not.

    Rising meeting costs are a bigger problem so the long term danger is that historically pure classes will have to combine - or they may not be invited at all. Is that what anyone really wants? Fantastic, pure cars, sidelined because no promoter can afford to invite them? Just be careful because what you wish for may well backfire.

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    Obviously Motorsport NZ have become aware of the fact that there is a good revenue stream to be
    taken advantage of with Historic motorsport in NZ, to wheel out this barrowful of dribble

    While it may be easy to come up with a bunch of rules for a modern day class for old muscle cars,
    who is going to know anything about any of the old Sports Sedans than ran 'back in the day', many
    of which probably received modifications to varying degrees, through a given seasons racing, let alone
    major rehashes through the off season in readiness for the following seasons running
    Which MNZ appointed COD expert is going to be qualified to make a judgement call on a particular car,
    or any car for that matter, bearing the above point in mind ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
    Obviously Motorsport NZ have become aware of the fact that there is a good revenue stream to be
    taken advantage of with Historic motorsport in NZ, to wheel out this barrowful of dribble

    While it may be easy to come up with a bunch of rules for a modern day class for old muscle cars,
    who is going to know anything about any of the old Sports Sedans than ran 'back in the day', many
    of which probably received modifications to varying degrees, through a given seasons racing, let alone
    major rehashes through the off season in readiness for the following seasons running
    Which MNZ appointed COD expert is going to be qualified to make a judgement call on a particular car,
    or any car for that matter, bearing the above point in mind ?
    Thanks for your balanced input Bailey
    Just to answer a few of your questions with facts

    1. There is no new revenue stream for MSNZ in this. It is actually a continuation of the current COD system that's been around since the 90's
    2. Old classes such as Sports Sedans as you mention; all run to a set of regs. These are on the MSNZ database and are whats used to determine if a vehicle meets the requirements. When that car has run in difeerent configurations under different sets of rules, then the COD owner picks a period that the car represents.
    3.The COD panel makes it's decisions based on point 2 above and regularly seeks input fro people with expertise in certain areas, or with certain vehicles.
    4. Hope your day gets happier!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crunch View Post
    Thanks for your balanced input Bailey
    Just to answer a few of your questions with facts

    1. There is no new revenue stream for MSNZ in this. It is actually a continuation of the current COD system that's been around since the 90's
    2. Old classes such as Sports Sedans as you mention; all run to a set of regs. These are on the MSNZ database and are whats used to determine if a vehicle meets the requirements. When that car has run in difeerent configurations under different sets of rules, then the COD owner picks a period that the car represents.
    3.The COD panel makes it's decisions based on point 2 above and regularly seeks input fro people with expertise in certain areas, or with certain vehicles.
    4. Hope your day gets happier!

    4

    Oh; and number 5 Bailey...
    If you read the detail MSNZ is looking at actually giving you some money back via a cheaper HISTORIC race licence and HISTORIC RACE PERMIT.
    Is it still dribble?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crunch View Post
    Oh; and number 5 Bailey...
    If you read the detail MSNZ is looking at actually giving you some money back via a cheaper HISTORIC race licence and HISTORIC RACE PERMIT.
    Is it still dribble?
    Interesting reply Mr Crunch Could it be that these meeting fees charged are simply too excessive to start
    with ?

    Also, might you please take the time to explain a little about the 'Trans Tasman Visa' fee ? Initially when
    some of us first became aware of it's requirement, it's charge was $40.00 This soon became $250.00,
    but if one carried an International H license, which only cost about $10.00 more than the common national
    race license, the visa charge reverted back to the original $40.00 Within a very short time the cost of the
    International H license near doubled, maybe to take care of that loophole, possibly ?

    Interestingly though, one competitor, who does post on this forum on occasion, took the time to study
    the MNZ rule requirements in regards to the Trans Tasman Visa, and discovered it wasn't actually a
    requirement for the historic racing community, but many people seem to have been mislead over the
    whole situation Maybe you could enlighten myself and several others that I know who have found
    themselves in uncomfortable situations re this visa, namely at documentation time in another country ?

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    Hi Ray

    Note that the plan is for Historic cars; therefore Schedule K. It is about protecting the vehicles that are still accurate to history. Schedule T&C and the like come loosely under "Classic", and that is different again. So this isn't about the whole of H&C racing...hence the capitals in the title for HISTORIC

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