Referring to the log book was for the situation with Rod Grimwoods car, not the Jaguar.
Grelley
Referring to the log book was for the situation with Rod Grimwoods car, not the Jaguar.
Grelley
Grelley old chap you miss the point, if the barstards from the black lagoon had not changed the regulations then an engineers report would not be required. Consider this, the first car i drove with a roll cage was the TC Escort Don Mc Millan bought from Roy Harrington, the cage , actually it was'nt one , was a hoop of 1.5'' exhaust pipe tubing that went from the floor over the drivers head but secured to the shoulder seat belt mountings on the B pillar, end of story. So if I had that car now with an old time log book, and I had an accident, MSNZ would not be liable in a court of law, but because the one I have now is 12 days out of date they would be!!!! Talk about the Peter Principle [ see Lawrence J Peters on Google] This is complete bullshitOriginally Posted by grelley
Regarding the Escort, if the logbook were available then as it complied with the regulations at the time then I understand it would be ok, rightly or wrongly. I dont know why the regulations have been changed, or whether the changes originated in New Zealand or overseas, but I still think the main reason is to cover MANZ officials. Do they still have schedule AA for classic cars. This was a slightly lower requirement for classic cars. It seems you are the victim of very bad timing.
Grelley
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Read it again Mark, "I woke up beside car in trailer" not others as I was the shy one. Come to think of it I was the single one. Oh well, they missed out. We will approach it when it happens. Thanks for your thoughts.
Missus actually reckons its all in a big box of stuff she stacked away downstairs years ago, So will have to start digging. Iam actually lucky as she love the Escort and has given permission to go back and play if I give up Rallying.
Circuit racing will be cheaper and probably more fun as there is still a little comrardery amongst the players.And yes I was aware of the fact that your were a very noble young feller with good principles,during your travels around the tracks, a bit lonely though.
Hello Dave
If you still wish to progress the roll cage stuff, give me a ring on (06) 3564058.
I wont be home however this week as I am off to Dunedin for the Otago Rally. Home next Monday evening.
Cheers
Raymond Bennett
I have to thank everyone on here and The State of NZ Motor sport for your support over this matter, as it looks like something good may come of it and not just for me. I have had discussions with Peter Cunliffe of Auto Tech Design, who built the cage and he informs me the quote for the report ,from Opus Engineering, was in the vicinity of $3500!!!!! He has shown a MSNZ chap name of Dave MaCahn the file on my car and others in the same boat as me and he agrees it is a nightmare. Crunch has offered his help so fingers crossed.
Dave, Crunch is pretty good bugger, so good to have him here actually.
Got to have this Jaguar racing, as me and Lyall will make trip to have alook.
Just who and when was the last saloon driver killed in NZ????
I can remember a crash at Puke maybe 10 years ago, in a testing accident before an endurance race. Old Holden Commodore, big Chev engine, last minute panic to build/finish car. Brakes failed at end of straight, car hit tyre wall at end of runoff head on. Had very flimsy 6 point cage, car basically folded in half. Can't remember guys name, but had spoken to him a day or so earlier as he wanted a radio set for his car.
Perhaps not killed but rather died in a race car would be a very good friend David Brown of Timaru. When Davids car did hit the embankement every part of the safety systems / design etc in the car worked as it should and the emergancy services were able to attend to his needs promptly and without difficulty.
Sadly though it was with no success for David's race had been run
There have been some pretty serious injury accidents, Derin Greenslades one at Teretonga being a prime example
I hear a modern ST at Ruapuna recently with a modern rollcage failed!!!???
The most important thing in any crash is luck
What do you mean by "failed"? Did the rollcage collapse?
That was in the race proper ,they were pitted next to us ,he had been in bleeding the brakes just before he went out on that lap
yes you are correct Bob, my memory is a little hazy on that one. I heard they were having brake issues, and there was also some question marks raised afterwards about some of the brake fittings that had been used, that may have been the cause of the brake failure. I personally did not see the car afterwards, but was told it basically folded in two.
Conrad Timms
A rollcage does not have to colapse to fail ,,awaiting results!!
Yes I did the report on Daves car, and had been talking and joking with him about 10 minutes before it happened, the car stood up to the crash very well and every thing worked as it was meant to, the one good thing, if you could call it that, was that he got better help at the track than he would have home or work, the medic's gave it their all, and it was very hard on them as they all knew Dave very well, and if he was to have survived, he would have there.
Roger
That sounds like Glen Hawkins' crash during the 1999 Pukekohe 6hr race. Dave Moran (Aussie guy, used to race a VL Walkinshaw) was the codriver and he'd just hopped out of the car.
Malcolm.
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