As was once proclaimed (although I'm substituting Weasels with Turkeys) - "Eagles may soar but Turkeys don't get sucked in to jet engines!!!!!!".........
As was once proclaimed (although I'm substituting Weasels with Turkeys) - "Eagles may soar but Turkeys don't get sucked in to jet engines!!!!!!".........
“A certain human interfaced device on wheels is now called “Company X 7”. Ha-ha that’s a good one Mike.
Mike, I have worked for many years as a mechanical engineer in NZ and I have never experienced the low level of conduct from NZ citizens as you have experienced here. I don’t know if you have been to NZ but the majority of New Zealanders are actually well educated and very nice people. Most of them in this forum appear not to be in these categories.
Trevor, Neither you or anybody else in this thread have proved anything about your Seven, so why do you keep harassing Mike and threatening him? And the manure thing! You and your mob are the “big slingers” here! Immaturity I may say and how old are you?
Mike, Trevor just doesn’t get it. Apparently he is a man who has nothing better to do than harass people and currently you are his victim joined by some people who are not representing the educated New Zealanders I know.
“Oldfart”, Mike, C.A.M.S. stand for Confederation of Australian Motor Sport and it is very respected (also in NZ), but apparently not according to the “mob” here!! Click on this link for more info: http://www.cams.com.au/Sport/Histori...4%20%20Sc.ashx
Paul, Mike is right. I generalized here, and I apologize to you. I can see that you are one of few who actually has assisted Mike here.
AMCO72, you are absolutely right, you just got it the wrong way around. It is Mike (who I still don’t know!) and I who are in the bar when you “Kiwi mob” come in with your AK 47’s and start shooting in order to preserve national interest. That’s the key problem here. It is good to be country proud but when that comes in the way of exposing the correct history (whatever that is) it is wrong. Threatening Mike to silence just because he want to get the history correct in actual “blackmail” isn’t it Trevor?
Finally if anybody should give an apology here, it should be you Trevor. Read back to this “mother of all treads” and you will see Trevor that you actually started your treats in your #81. Before that there had been no treats about legal actions and slander. You started this and may I say, you have not contributed with one shred of evidence to justify harassing or threatening other people. Further you have never answered Mikes question: “Trevor how much research have you done on the Lotus 7?”
So Trevor when you immaturely wrote: “The required testicles and intestinal fortitude being sadly lacking. However let it be clear that, in spite of of a great deal of bovine manure excreted from a confirmed steer in hiding”, you are actually talking about yourself.
Mike, believe me, don’t get the wrong impression of New Zealand because the majority of New Zealanders are nice people, you were just very very unlucky here.
Mike, I have sent you a PM.
Cheers,
John
First off I know bugger all about the Lotus Legacy (except if it was a Cortina give it to me) and a little F1/single seater history.
Mike, sorry but I do feel you started throwing it and as you should know by now, it can be thrown back. I also feel the first character assasination did not come from this side of the globe. And another point ! we may be close to Australia in your mind (do you think that was diplomatic, or outright shit stirring), but this country has supplied some of the best mechanics and designers in most motorsport catagories over the years world wide, and still do. It is a pity that this has turned personal, and I feel that the hatchet should be buried as things may be "said/written" that do not need to be.
I have heard of most names (NZ) mentioned in this thread over the years and hold them in regard as intelligent and knowledgable motorsport people.
Cheers
PS John, Must be something about Officialdom and Sports Sedans, as we all parked ours up back in mid 90s because "the brick wall"
It looks a wee bit like a Mini special, that was built and designed by that master of glass-fibre....Ferris deJoux.
No, and do you know what. You should take heed of the comment made when you traded the Leitch for the S4......'you have left a beautiful woman for her UGLY sister'. I predict that you will never be happy with that 'eyesore', and suggest that forthwith you trade the UGLY sister for a beautiful woman again. Even when she is giving you grief with another breakdown, she will still be gorgeous to look at when you lift the sheets!!!!!!!
I think that the S4 may be one of those cars that you need to see 'in the flesh' Some cars do not photograph well, and the lines are not truely appreciated until you actually see them. A bit like 'that other GTO'. In a lot of photos the car just looks gauky, but when you actually see the entire machine, it still looks a bit gawky, but much more pleasing to the eye than a picture. I'm not being rude to you about 'the love of your life' [well almost], it just doesn't 'do' anything for me, unlike the sweet little Leitch. To be honest, I haven't seen either of them in the flesh, so I'm talking through a hole in my hat!!!!!!
Personally I quite like the look of the S4 although I am more than unlikely to ever own one as I have a sickness for Escorts, Mk1's in particular! I do remember being taken for a ride in a brand new S4 back in the 70s which as a young fella thought was pretty impressive. It went like a raped ape in comparrison to the 1100 big block Escort I was driving at the time
Cheers
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Chris
Nothing wrong with the appearance of the S4 or the body design, all of which should be considered on a strictly practical basis.
.........'all of which should be considered on a strickly practical basis'........not sure that I follow you Trevor. Please explain to a Philistine like me.
The body may not be an aesthetically pleasing work of sculptured art or cosmetically attractive, but it conforms with what is required in order to make it useful and practical. This in contrast to artistic rubbish, into which engineers are called upon to insert the required works. As a result practical soles like me judge it pleasing and certainly find nothing wrong with it. Howsat! LOLOriginally Posted by AMCO72
mmmmmmmmm......there are a few words that I need to look up in the dictionary, but I sort of get your drift. I certainly dont study car design with any degree of professionalism; I just take a look....if I like it, thats good, if I don't..... well, mmmmm; I'm very prone to making instant decisions, which on reflection, don't always stand too much scrutiny.My decisions on the S4 have all been based on pictures, and as I said, I need to see the thing in the flesh. I'm wondering if you could give me an example of, in your opinion, artistic rubbish!! I could think of a few myself......I wonder if they match yours.
mmmmmmmm --- I could and would, but with due consideration consider it best not to take this thread way off topic.
I dont think i could fall in love with a car shaped like a brick!!
One of these? Just take it as far as possible, yes I do know I should have shut the bonnet properly!
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Paul, maybe a different colour/paint scheme will change looks, look what a bit of make up does for Elton.
If and when driving an S4 for any length of time, just where and how do you guys rest your left foot?
Hi Paul,
Nice to see your thread back on track.
Any pics of the rear axle, suspension etc? Is it standard stuff or some trick stuff?
My restauration is going as plannede. Had the car for an MOT for the first time in 10 years! It fail!! On one point only: Hand brake to loose. I will se how i fix it since I have converted to disks...
Car at as it sits today:
I had a Super 907 frame a few years back - and an S4. The S4 had not been driven since 1978 - and when I picked it up was suprised it came with a spare TC engine.
Haven't read the earlier posts but I think the Steels bought the licence to make 50 cars - and bought 50 engines. Those were all Big Valve but the last 50 odd had the earlier small valve engine - they came from Australia unused from the Escort production. Because mine was a 'first 50' it was a "genuine Lotus" one. I think Steels just kept on making them after the 50 and I doubt either them or Lotus really cared.
Good luck with the new car - as your say very ugly! Aghhh..
The McGregor Seven guy from Chch had the moulds for the Super 907 I think.
OK, call me crazy, but I actually reckon these are good looking cars, and especially this one with the wheel combination it has. They're a fairly typical '70s design, and there was a lot of good stuff to come out of the '70s.
My First S4...
I think if it were mine, I'd have two bodies, and keep the black one with rear wing set aside for one day should you decide to sell it, or if you decide you do like it afterall, and want to fit it again. I guess thats part of the problem with owning a historical car, it might not be to your own tastes, but it is what it is, and to a certain degree, you're just a caretaker, preserving it for the next generation.
I guess I only say that because I also have an interest in pre-1960 historic hot rods and kustom cars, many of which were simply aweful. But they are also historical, and its nice to see them restored or preserved to how they once were.
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