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    Matamata missed off the street circuits too. Ahuriri (Napier) Paritutu (New Plymouth) Nelson Beach,

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    Waihi Beach was used but that was in the 20s and 30s as best I can work out.

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    port road,
    gracefield
    lower hutt
    1/8 mile drags
    been in use for more than 45 years

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    Waiheke Island for the TT, Mangere Mountain, Hemmings Speedway, Forest Lake (Hamilton)shall we add in Western Springs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldfart View Post
    Waiheke Island for the TT, Mangere Mountain, Hemmings Speedway, Forest Lake (Hamilton)shall we add in Western Springs?


    the Springs Yes and many more - if we get into Hillclimbs there are probably 100's ..
    Remember [ very vaguely ]- the TT on Waiheke- part of the track is a current road and another part a farm track at Onetangi.
    Think i was told about it rather than attend although been going to Waiheke since 1947 and was there this February 2019.

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    Time for another pic from our Yankee circuit... is anyone going to get it?


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    WHERE, Where, where ?? as Ray Bell is asking !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell View Post
    Time for another pic from our Yankee circuit... is anyone going to get it?

    The Original Elkhart Lake course - that developed into Road America ??

    " the Chicago Region SCCA and the Village of Elkhart Lake organized the first road race at Elkhart Lake.

    The 1950 circuit start-finish line was on County Road P. Competitors went north to County Road J, then South into the Village of Elkhart Lake, and West on what is now County JP (then called County Highway X), and reconnected with County Road P for a total distance of 3.3 miles (5.3 km). "

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    Well done Roger, you're the man !
    I just hope if you get to visit this area and go to the "Lake Street Cafe" that you have a better experience than this customer had there !

    " I wish I had read the recent reviews. Anyone who has been here in the past would come here again - Big mistake. Where do I start? The service was horrible. The server or the kitchen messed up our order. Okay, that happens. But the server lied about checking and more than an hour later I had to check on our food. When I asked our server about it she was rude and finally checked. They had lost our order. If she had checked 30 minutes before, we may have received our dinner before the 90 minutes we had to wait! Our daughter was starving. They promote their wine list, but have very few options by the glass. The food was good, but not amazing. It was so loud we couldn't hear each other. We just wanted to leave as soon as possible. We will never go back. Please choose another restaurant! "

    When I show up we can just go down to the wharf area and eat some good ol' Omokoroa fish n chips..eh ?

    KJH

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    Quote Originally Posted by khyndart in CA View Post
    Well done Roger, you're the man !
    I just hope if you get to visit this area and go to the "Lake Street Cafe" that you have a better experience than this customer had there !

    " I wish I had read the recent reviews. Anyone who has been here in the past would come here again - Big mistake. Where do I start? The service was horrible. The server or the kitchen messed up our order. Okay, that happens. But the server lied about checking and more than an hour later I had to check on our food. When I asked our server about it she was rude and finally checked. They had lost our order. If she had checked 30 minutes before, we may have received our dinner before the 90 minutes we had to wait! Our daughter was starving. They promote their wine list, but have very few options by the glass. The food was good, but not amazing. It was so loud we couldn't hear each other. We just wanted to leave as soon as possible. We will never go back. Please choose another restaurant! "

    When I show up we can just go down to the wharf area and eat some good ol' Omokoroa fish n chips..eh ?

    KJH
    When I show up we can just go down to the wharf area and eat some good ol' Omokoroa fish n chips..eh ?
    " Yuss the Fush and Chups " are great at " Beached on Blue " Cafe, right on the Bay by the Ferry ramp Beer and a Glass of Wine is do-able too !! - and also the Takeaway tucked away up in Hamurana St, does good ones too !!

    The word Lake Street made me think so I first Googled Map Elkhart Lake and there is Lake St North and Lake St South.. then thought of the circuit known as Road America - should have been quicker as once had a T shirt from the USA / England Healey Challenge of 1990 and one of the Circuits was ' Road America '..

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    Funnily enough, Google Earth's rendition of 'Lake Street' and 'S Lake Street' are the other side of the lake from here!

    Here's the map of the circuit, the red dots are at each turning point (not each turn, but where the circuit goes to a different road or street) and the yellow dots are for the shorter circuit, which used just the Northern end.



    My photos are:


    Emerging from the section alongside the lake.


    The long South to North straight before the long sweeping right hander


    You can barely see these bends on the map, a short distance after the top corner at a point where long driveways go off to the left and the right of the road.


    This is right in town where there's a red dot, with the next red dot at the point at the bottom of the hill here, where the road ends and it becomes a broad footpath today.


    The first bend on the short circuit diversion.

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    I took my camera in to take some photos of some places near where I work before they disappear to development here in Goleta, CA.
    The first is the corner at the end of the front straight of what was the Santa Barbara Airport race course which held races there from 1949 to 1968.
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    The corner as it looks today..(Ken H photo )

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    The same corner in 1949 as English driver, Philip Payne drives through in his class winning Baldwin Special.

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    A 1949 poster of the first SB race meet.

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    The show must go on ! The drivers hoped that the pilots picked the correct runway on race day !
    (Moss Motors is just off to left about a mile behind the tail of the plane.)

    Ken H.

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    Right beside that first corner are two old historic hangars that certainly may not be there for long.
    This may not be of interest to many of you but here is some local information plus also read about the "Guppies" at the bottom of this article.

    !http://goletahistory.com/two-hangars/

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    Ken H photos

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    What a wild-looking device that Baldwin Special appears to be!

    I'd suspect it holds a Cadillac V8 between those frame rails. Do we know anything about its makeup, Ken?

    As for those hangars, I wouldn't be surprised if they're still there until they actually fall down. America tends to do that a lot.

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    Ray,
    Here is some information on the first Baldwin. (Note the lack of a helmet etc in the above photo !)

    "
    THE BALDWIN “PAYNE” SPECIAL
    This car is probably the most memorable “Sports Rod” of the early days of the sports car movement in America, being a typical example of a late 1940s "California Hot Rod", carried a step beyond what the normal hot rodders were doing at the time. Known in the States as an AV8, i.e. an A Type Ford chassis housing a Ford V8 motor.

    In 1947, my late father, Philip Payne, drove across the States in a Brooklands Riley, before working at Roger Barlow’s ‘International Motors’ in Los Angeles. He became interested in the local sports car and hot rod scene and was an early member of the California Sports Car Club, as well as The Glendale Sidewinders (SCTA).

    He purchased this Special (91 S 663) in November 1947, from Willis Baldwin of Santa Barbara – the “father” of road racing specials. Baldwin built this, the first of four specials, in 1947, using the frame of a 1932 Ford. My father quickly replaced the Cadillac side-valve, installing a hot 4.4 litre (268.4 c.i.) Mercury Flathead with an Iskenderian track-grind cam, Evans 9:1 heads and triple-carb intake manifold, producing some 175 bhp @ 5,000 rpm. Drive is through a lightened flywheel, 10 in Mercury clutch and three-speed Ford Pilot transmission with a home-built remote shift linkage to a 3.78:1 rear axle. The cowl covers a split-centre Ford radiator whilst the grille consists of curved lengths of welding wire. The bonnet is of 20 guage alloy and the air scoop is from a North American aircraft, whilst an Auburn dash is used. Front cycle-type wings were made from spare wheel-cover bands.

    The “Baldwin ‘Payne’ Special” proved very competitive and successful in many Southern Californian events, ranging from circuit racing to hill climbs and dry lake trials. Returning to Portsmouth, England in October 1950, my father continued to sprint the car (FTP 348), gaining successes at Southsea Motor Club events, held at the famous Goodwood circuit, as well as Gosport Automobile Club speed trials. Bill Boddy wrote a very favourable ‘The Editor Encounters A Hot-Rod’ article in “Motorsport” of January 1952, having previously been very sceptical of the performance of Hot Rods – this lead to a very heated exchange of transatlantic letters in that magazine!

    Naturally, the car has a very special place in the Payne household (Philip’s widow Vicky, and son Stephen), and is superbly maintained by Alan Collins, the Jaguar specialist, of Maldon, Essex. An overhaul was completed prior to the car’s appearance at The Cartier Style et Luxe at the 2001 Goodwood Festival of Speed, keeping the car as original to its’ illustrious sports rod heritage. "
    ( Tams Old Car site )

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    Ken..I love the Santa Barbara Xmas poster from 1936 showing the blue Packard with the rear part of the hood down and it looks like a very long Peacocks tail hanging over the back.

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    The show must go on ! The drivers hoped that the pilots picked the correct runway on race day !
    (Moss Motors is just off to left about a mile behind the tail of the plane.)

    Ken H.

    Ken thanks for those photo's had seen pictures at Santa Barbara - did Jerry Melton take photos there ?? - I will have a look ..

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    Thanks for pointing that out John.
    That is a small Christmas tree in the Packard.
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    Roger,
    They were just some photos from a local Independent newspaper article. I don't think Jerry Melton took any photos in this area.
    Ken.

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    Do you mind if I post that pic of the Baldwin Special on TNF, Ken?

    I'm keen to know what it's made of.

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