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    Very nice, your usual high standard of workmanship and presentation. Well done, I bet the owner can't wait to get it on the track - at the opening round next month?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Metford View Post
    Very nice, your usual high standard of workmanship and presentation. Well done, I bet the owner can't wait to get it on the track - at the opening round next month?
    Hopefully yes Andrew, testing at Taupo Monday and all going to plan the TACCOC one day meeting Nov 3rd at Puke. Dale
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    Look awesome Dale! Nice build.

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    Looking forward to seeing it on the track

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    Saloon car racing how it was............and what HMC and HSC are about.
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    It’s a great photo Dale. Yes we are similar heaps of Mustangs, Camaros, Escorts, a BMW and a Viva but sadly lacking Mini’s....

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    Lacking Minis Bruce, in the ERC Series too.

    Back in those days in the UK, it was always capacity classes, but note the Hillman Imp with wide arches.

    Unfortunately, we haven't really fully embraced the 'classes' concept in Historics, and Historic Muscle Cars is all about Muscle anyway.

    The massive speed differential always puts people off entering smaller capacity cars.

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    Angus in his Mini was seriously competitive at Levels this season against the Muscle Cars and yes that’s Angus but our Escorts can take it to the Muscle Cars at both Taupo and Manfield.
    Fact the RX2 was the quickest last season at MG in our class at Manfeild.
    Many of our race meetings the difference from the front to the rear of the field is no more than 10 seconds per lap.

    We have come along way with our grid and for 5 years the Muscle cars have not improved on lap time but the HSC cars have.
    It is seriously close at the front both for the HMC and HSC.

    We have had a great season with great grids so something must be working...our tour down south was very successful and appreciated by many down there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ERC View Post
    Unfortunately, we haven't really fully embraced the 'classes' concept in Historics, and Historic Muscle Cars is all about Muscle anyway. The massive speed differential always puts people off entering smaller capacity cars.
    Not true Ray, Historic Muscle is only about period correctness from that era(as best as possible) you maybe thinking Central Muscle Cars as some get confused? We have tighten the noose even further by making the big cars have more interior fitted and better attention to detail and NOT allowing the rules to slip, HMC cars have gone no faster in the last 5 years as they've hit the performance brick wall and this is mainly due to having an all iron heavy engine over the front axle and bias ply period tyres(as it was).

    Bruce is correct, some of the small saloons are at the performance level of the fastest HMC cars, they have lifted their game and new HSC cars coming onboard are at a more period correct level and very quick. We now have a full reverse grid starts without any vehicle starting in pitlane, the times between first and last(as Bruce says) has tighten somewhat.

    Also, certain tracks play the advantage either way, Hampton with its long straights and up hill climb helps the V8's, Pukekohe with the kink and Taupo are 50/50 tracks and Manfield suits the small saloons but only just....we had the same down south recently, Levels played towards the small saloons with Foggys Mini dealing to us but Teretonga with its loooong main straight help the V8's.

    When i look at old footage from the UK the racing between big and small saloons was impressive, it looks so good and didn't the spectators luv it, sort what we're aiming to have in both groups and thats why i luv the picture i posted.

    Take Care of yourself Ray

    Regards Dale
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    Having just comeback from the Phillip Island Classic that Dale and I attended (my first time there) and looking how our Trans Tasman Cousins do it....both the Group N (Saloons) and Group S (Sports Cars) had grids of 48 cars in each group and ran all races as Scatch.
    The variety was great with racing through out the grids.

    We don’t as a country have the population to justify these days separate grids let alone the separation of North Island and South Island.
    We do it the best we can but even in ERC Ray the speed differential is there and once upon a time you ran your grids separately .
    Today the numbers don’t justify it.

    The fastest of the ERC grids are quicker than any Muscle Car so this issue also also applies to those grids.

    It’s a sad state that we are in re numbers but we are attracting more people to our grids due to those wanting to be more historically correct. Yes some will alway be cautious and that’s fair enough but that applies to all racing these day in our groups.

    Wet here today so being inside is easy...

    Take care guys

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