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    Deeks usually on Evilbay. But not at the moment

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    Lotus BRM
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    Part of the Steve McQueen display
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    Probably the most successful of all ERAs - 'Remus' (R5B - 1936) demonstrated here by Ludo Lindsay. His father the Hon Patrick Lindsay with characteristic red shirt, was a huge crowd favourite. Winner at Goodwood 1998, 1999, 2000, 2005, 2008 and 2009.
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    Love the Javlin Ray...

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    Me too Bruce. I really don't understand why NZ is so anal about exterior trim for a CoD, when even in period, people often dispensed with bumpers. Try sourcing a front bumper for one of those or the hockey stick trim for a Magnette. Does the lack of a bumper suddenly make them race winners? Great to see this car out on track and one or two other rarities, in the 1958 Sears trophy Race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERC View Post
    Me too Bruce. I really don't understand why NZ is so anal about exterior trim for a CoD, when even in period, people often dispensed with bumpers. Try sourcing a front bumper for one of those or the hockey stick trim for a Magnette. Does the lack of a bumper suddenly make them race winners? Great to see this car out on track and one or two other rarities, in the 1958 Sears trophy Race.
    In HSC I allow the period cars without bumpers. If they raced in period without them that’s ok.
    My Alfa 105 does not run bumpers and nor do the other 105’s in our class.

    Somebody please bring out a Javlin to race.....
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    Exactly Bruce - but read the CoD documentation (as I'm sure you have) and MGCC for the Manfeild event always had a separate question on the entry form about bumpers! Like I did, you presumably allow what is sensible.

    As posted before, the UK allowed modifications to older saloons, even though limited, but our local series prefers them standard. Watching those Austin Westminsters being drifted was a real joy, but bog standard they definitely were not!

    The Javelin would be a great addition to our grids, as would Riley 1.5's and many others.
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    As a separate grid for MG we are lucky. We can run the tyres like the Hoosiers and Avon Bias. The fabulous Broadspeed Escorts and Nazer Escort are bumperless.....as you know all our cars have CoD’s In HMC and HSC.
    The HMC car Regs are very strict and is really a controlled class and with the HSC cars it does work for us and each car is treated as an individual and the grid is varied.
    HSC now have 3 Mk2 Jaguars and I hope all 3 will be out at the Taupo GP in January. We are working hard on that older group and have interest from some Mini and Imp owners. The 64 FIA Falcon Sprint will be out for next season to add to that group.
    It’s all work in progress Ray and I just love the older Saloons you put photos up of.
    Hopefully the owners of the older cars will bring them back out.

    Cheers

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    I find the trim issue an absolute irony. Many times during the 70's I was told by officials that they wanted the trim to be removed as it could pose a danger, and that was at very low level.

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    Ironic indeed. Even more ironic is any insistence on original trim that contains foam. Having spent many working days at the foam manufacturing facility, then owned by a well known racer, the fact that the raw foam store was windowless and had no sprinklers, with staff forbidden to smoke within 50m, should say something. In the event of a fire, the fire brigade would be unable to extinguish it and would merely protect any adjacent property. The fumes given off are also toxic.

    If we seriously think that one well meaning marshal with a single extinguisher and a driver with their own extinguisher, would be able to put out any internal car fire involving foam trim, then I'm afraid they'd be very disappointed.

    Another four from the Sears Trophy group. Initially, this wasn't even on the programme and it took ages to get any information about it. For my money, one of the best grids of the whole weekend. They should keep it on the programme as it isn't as though they don't have space to park them or a tight timetable.
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    St Mary's Trophy race - part 2, Sunday. Owners driving. Anglia driven by Theo Paphitis of ' Dragons Den' fame.
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    Past winner
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    Time for a Roger fix...
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    Note the cramped driving position...
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    Nice Astons Ray. Such a nicely proportioned car. Big bucks now!
    Cheers

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    " Roger Fix " - Thank You ERC ..

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    Time for a Roger fix...
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    Note the cramped driving position...
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    Healeys Built for Speed not Comfort ..

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    Healeys Built for Speed not Comfort ..and some other Cars.

    An interesting ride back to the start !!

    A Brian Skudder photo ;
    A Northland Hill Climb, Puhipuhi 1956 !! .
    The Buckler is Jim Boyd in the Mark 6

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    The Studebaker fell foul of the paperwork brigade and wasn't allowed to run in part 2 of the St Mary's Trophy on the Sunday. It had correct paperwork for some countries but apparently there was something amiss for this meeting. For goodness sake. It is a non-championship meeting so what was there to be gained by banning it?

    As one of our FJ drivers was telling me, there are petty rules that make competing internationally a total nightmare. The FIA demands or approves one sort of wheel nut and some countries have a different rule, making the FIA ones illegal... Having to carry two set of wheel nuts?

    If there is one thing that really gets up my nose it is banning cars that infringe some minor technicality, especially so in what is supposed to be an amateur level of the sport and more so when it isn't even performance related. When you have paid good money to attend a race meeting, it is usually to see the cars on the track.

    Banning them for spurious reasons denies not only the drivers and crew, but also the paying spectators.

    Quite why they cannot run (and it applies in NZ too) and be given an opportunity to correct what is wrong for a future meeting, is surely the best way of dealing with it, just as long as it isn't a genuine safety issue as opposed to a paperwork problem?
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    Morgan SLR in the past winners parade. I always rated this as one of the best looking cars of the era.
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    Hamill - another Goodwood regular
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    The ex Donington TecMec is another rare car that is good to see out on track and going well.
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    First time I have seen two Triumph Italias at the same event. The silver one is a regular at Goodwood, but the first time I have seen the blue one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ERC View Post
    The Studebaker fell foul of the paperwork brigade and wasn't allowed to run in part 2 of the St Mary's Trophy on the Sunday. It had correct paperwork for some countries but apparently there was something amiss for this meeting. For goodness sake. It is a non-championship meeting so what was there to be gained by banning it?

    As one of our FJ drivers was telling me, there are petty rules that make competing internationally a total nightmare. The FIA demands or approves one sort of wheel nut and some countries have a different rule, making the FIA ones illegal... Having to carry two set of wheel nuts?

    If there is one thing that really gets up my nose it is banning cars that infringe some minor technicality, especially so in what is supposed to be an amateur level of the sport and more so when it isn't even performance related. When you have paid good money to attend a race meeting, it is usually to see the cars on the track.

    Banning them for spurious reasons denies not on the drivers and crew, but also the paying spectators.

    Quite why they cannot run (and it applies in NZ too) and be given an opportunity to correct what is wrong for a future meeting, is surely the best way of dealing with it, just as long as it isn't a genuine safety issue as opposed to a paperwork problem?
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    Morgan SLR in the past winners parade. I always rated this as one of the best looking cars of the era.
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    Hamill - another Goodwood regular
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    The ex Donington TecMec is another rare car that is good to see out on track and going well.
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    First time I have seen two Triumph Italias at the same event. The silver one is a regular at Goodwood, but the first time I have seen the blue one.
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    The group I run with up here - SVRA (Sportscar Vintage Racing Association) is very good with allowing you make corrections for the next meeting while allowing you to race in the current one unless it's a serious safety issue.
    I was allowed to run the A40 with some non-conforming parts but had to update for the next event. Sensible!

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    ERC and Grant,
    this is the problem with a lot of motorsport. people a racing the rules instead of the cars. goes all the way to F1.

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    Emmanuele Pirro aboard one of several super fast Lotus Cortinas.
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    The famous Rob Walker Lotus 18 driven by Stirling Moss to wins at Monaco and the Nürburgring 1961.
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    Sorry that so many pics are from right to left, but only the Elite get to be on the inside of the track at the chicane... Fighting a setting sun limited the opportunities late in the day too and I was way too tired to walk around the back of the track late afternoon.

    As you can see from pic #1 in this set, early morning meant long shadows too - 8:00am.
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