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    part 2 of 2


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    The following 2 were also running in the ERC Grid
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    7 cars in total!! Shame really because I'm sure a lot of hard work has gone in to trying to make these classes a success for all to enjoy only to be let down by the car owners. But then I'm not one of them so I can't really talk. Hopefully they will all come out of the woodwork for the festival. Well done to those of you who turned up to race.

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    Eight Nigel. For some reason, the 1st attachment of part 2 doesn't always show!

    Agree. It is bitterly disappointing for the Series' organisers. Maybe we need a new thread to explore the state of play?

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    From looking on MYLaps, there looked to be a sizeable difference in some of the grid sizes between yesterday and today, so did lots of people break down?

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    In a word, yes!

    Plus 2 who had to get away early or were only doing 1 day anyway.

    Leg out of bed.

    Couple with dodgy clutches.

    Head gasket failure.

    Electrical failure.

    Gearbox reluctant to change out of 1st gear.

    Two or three no shows Sunday - no reasons given.

    One with low oil pressure.

    DNFs included brake pads taking a walk and a couple I didn't find out about.
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    Three different classes.


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    Please note that if anyone knows the driver of this car (ran Saturday only), please let him know the following, as I missed the opportunity - better still, PM his email address as he wasn't in the race programme - so presumably entered after the closing date anyway:

    1) Read the regulations about race numbers...

    2) Read the ASR's about which races/grids you are allowed to enter...

    3) Read up on the history of the Queenstown fatalities and how race/meeting/series organisers can end up in the dock, when drivers/organisers don't adhere to the published regulations regarding eligibility and it all goes to custard.
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    Spotted on a transporter Tuesday, heading north. (Taken by my wife of course.)


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    Ray- in reply to your question above, taken from entry list-
    24 Fred Geissler BMW E36 Coupe Historic Sports Sedans.
    No idea how/why entry was accepted for this class, assumed wrongly listed, Definitely not one of ours.
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    As I said John, he hadn't read the ASR's for the event and ran with Arrow Wheels - in practice (which isn't really an issue), but in the scratch race, which is an issue.

    What driver's like this fail to understand, is that in an 'Invitation Series', they cannot just rock up and race. If they (like at Queenstown) were the one to be involved in a fatal, (Queenstown, entered on the day, despite the ASR's having a closing date), then organisers/officials are responsible for allowing them on track, without them being invited or registered for that series. At my age, I have no wish to return to a prison environment, particularly if I was unaware of the problem at the time!

    As you can tell from the pic, I was at turn 1 but could just as easily have been on the grid, belted in, well in front of this character, so in either case, I wouldn't be able to intervene.

    His numbers weren't to MSNZ standards and I was standing with the accident investigation officer when the same car came out again in the following race, and once again, not in the programme for that race. Neither of us could see his race number, which brings in my other point. In an accident or incident, marshals have to radio in the car number, so how can they do that if one isn't easily visible?

    As many cars aren't scrutineered, the onus is 100% on the driver to conform.

    I guarantee that 95% of drivers never read the ASR's, but it is unfair to expect our fantastic and enthusiastic young team of dummy grid marshals to challenge drivers. The fact that he went out and practiced with Arrows meant that he appeared on the grid sheet, but cars often practice out of session with the blessing of the CoC to bed in brakes etc., so no one would have challenged it.

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    Ardmore Reunion 1989. Sorry about the lack of variety of viewpoint, but that is what happens when you are marshalling and well back from the track - and not a very long lens...

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    ...and a few more from the same piece of film that for some reason wasn't with the other negs...

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    Ignore the image title. Ferrari - see post below...
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    And of course 113 should be the Ex Roycroft Ferrari, not a Maserati. Think it is Gavin Bain driving. Just to keep your records straight Ray. I am hoping to earn brownie points for that good handicap Les Parkinson driving the Jaguar C type replica.

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    Whoops! Thanks AMCO. Yup, I'll give you 5 seconds on your handicap. Once.

    Whilst saving one or two this morning, batch 2, the originals got overwritten with the wrong captions and parked on the computer in the wrong place...

    Whilst we tend to revel in nostalgia, at least it doesn't take 3 minutes to scan each negative, when using a digital camera these days.

    With both, having to then make a copy that has to be resized and shrunk to be uploaded on here, which I find slow. There must be a programme that does it by batch instead on doing it singly. Any help appreciated.
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    More older stuff. Dating old slides is even more difficult than negatives - especially when you don't have a race programme... I can't accurately state the date for any of these.


    The 5 weekend winter sprint series at Silverstone around November was an annual highlight, with 2 laps of the club circuit, when most of us just had to put up with the 900 yard Curborough course for our action. Genuine Cobra of course. We often had to wait for the November fog to lift before we could start, so sought refuge in the paddock café, for a fry up! I was often on nights and had driven up from Middlesex after my shift finished at 7:15am, competed, drove back, grabbed an hour or two's sleep then back on duty 8:45pm...
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    The John Pope Special - road registered twin turbo Aston Martin powered Magnum, also at Silverstone. I wonder how LVVTA would get on with certifying that in NZ...
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    Pre '57 series in the UK had some interesting cars. Cadwell Park in Lincolnshire, not sure of the date.
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    Motorsport photographer Robin Rew in his well campaigned Reliant, at Curborough
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    A Rover 105 wouldnt be the first choice for most people as a race car, but this guy is giving it a bit of wellie thats for sure. Great stuff. And an Aston Martin engined Vauxhall !!!!!!! for goodness sake. That certainly involved a bit of lateral thinking.......wild-as.... That Cobra is nice.....before they went all bloated.

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    More older stuff. Dating old slides is even more difficult than negatives - especially when you don't have a race programme... I can't accurately state the date for any of these.

    The John Pope Special - road registered twin turbo Aston Martin powered Magnum, also at Silverstone. I wonder how LVVTA would get on with certifying that in NZ...
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    I love these old pics, keep them coming Ray! This car was for sale a couple of years ago:

    http://www.theroaringseason.com/show...8920#post18920

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    Thanks for the photos of "our" pre 61s Ray. That A30/Elan looks way more like one of the bigger Climax motors than an Imp one to my eye. Very cool car IMHO

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    Pity so many pre '61's have been scrapped, particularly the very cars you need, as restoration was uneconomic. Restoring a Mk2 Jag is expensive, but worth it. Restoring a Riley Pathfinder might cost just as much, but probably not worth it.

    Standard Ensigns Rover P4's and suchlike are now quite rare and those in good nick are not going to be racers. Moggie Minors and some Vauxhalls might still be cheapish, but A30 prices seem off the clock for what they are. Mk1 Jags? Not that many around. Good to see the Morris Oxford out there at HD - though it wouldn't be my choice! Ford Zephyrs also seem to be sought after, but most are for restoration/concours these days, not racing.

    My choice would be a Riley 1.5...

    The Magnette on TM went for a shade under $10,000!

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    In Ref to post 646

    Those issues aside,

    1980 Sandown results
    1 Peter brock HDT
    2 Fred Geisler - Gary Rodgers
    3 Alan Moffat

    As well as quite a few bathurst and ATTC starts in Torana A9X's then Group C, and group A Commodores.
    Not a bad CV
    Just saying
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogered View Post
    Those issues aside
    Unfortunately, those 'issues' could have a dramatic effect on the rest of us. Regardless of status or experience, when things go pear shaped and other people may be involved, that counts for nothing. Therefore, should know better...

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