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    Not sure about the 'shunned'! We actually waived Gary's entry fee at one meeting when he elected to go to full time study and also his annual registration fee.

    No fibreglass Cobra replicas ever ran with ERC.

    The 3 races over two days is indeed an issue for some people, but the logistics are quite simple. Run a 1 day meeting, 6 classes. One practice and 3 races. Run a 2 day meeting, 12 classes, 1 practice and 1 race followed by 2 races on day 2.

    Having polled our drivers several times, there are as many who prefer a 1 day meeting as a 2 day meeting, so the series has always had a mix. From a personal perspective, in a 1 day meeting, life was somewhat frenetic, trying to run my own car for 4 sessions and also calculate/publish the handicaps not for 1 grid, but for 2!


    Ted Rollason's gorgeous E Type. He later ran it in Targa with his buddy, the late Geoff Manning.
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    Richard McCarthy and the immaculate Lotus 47.
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    Pukekohe, March 30/31 2002.
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    This is the very TR6 that eventually suffered a metal failure (stub axle?) entering the 'Mountain' and landed on its roof and where I was just a second behind. I topped and tailed my car against the concrete barriers on the inside as there was nowhere to go whilst the TR6 was spinning on its roof, in the middle of the track, eventually ending up on the outside. Such is motor racing - and my car still has some of the scars from that incident and has never looked immaculate since.

    One of the reasons I'm not keen on concrete barriers too close to the racing line and with no escape route. No excuse on a full time race track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ERC View Post
    From an earlier scanned film. It wouldn't be Goodwood without some rain... This was Friday practice/qualifying. We got soaked and I had to buy either new shoes or trousers before we checked into our accommodation at Midhurst that night. My wife always patiently stands by me but I'd rather now go to events on my own, as it is not really fair on her.
    Thank you Ray,can I just say how beautiful the Scarab and Scirocco are!

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    [QUOTE=ERC;60589]Not sure about the 'shunned'! We actually waived Gary's entry fee at one meeting when he elected to go to full time study and also his annual registration fee.

    No fibreglass Cobra replicas ever ran with ERC.

    The 3 races over two days is indeed an issue for some people, but the logistics are quite simple. Run a 1 day meeting, 6 classes. One practice and 3 races. Run a 2 day meeting, 12 classes, 1 practice and 1 race followed by 2 races on day 2.

    Having polled our drivers several times, there are as many who prefer a 1 day meeting as a 2 day meeting, so the series has always had a mix. From a personal perspective, in a 1 day meeting, life was somewhat frenetic, trying to run my own car for 4 sessions and also calculate/publish the handicaps not for 1 grid, but for 2!
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    Hi Ray,

    Sorry - I should have said it wasn't the ERC/Leisuretime series that they had issues with! It was other events (yeah, I know this sounds like a cop out).

    Regarding the TR6 axle failure, it's a known issue if you've hung around Triumphs long enough. The problem seems to lie in the keyway that is at the end of many Triumph axles (those with trailing arm IRS or with swing axles). Cracks develop from the corners at the inner end of the keyway and work around the axle until it weakens enough to snap. New axles are available and racers in the USA have come up with outer solutions too.

    Alan.
    PS - I'm enjoying the photos too.

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    Agree. the Scarab, Scirocco and the earlier Eagle pics are all beautifully presented cars and it is all too easy to overlook the USA representation in F1 which added variety and some much needed colour, before the advertising swamped any vestige of National colours.

    I'm no expert on Triumphs (or any other car for that matter) but I was marshalling at Pukekohe when Chris Watson's TR5 did a barrel roll just after I'd put the camera down... (Chris wasn't driving) and I'm not sure what caused his take off at Whenuapai in the TR7V8 either.

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    Thanks to the Leisuretime sponsor, Geoff Bonham (seated), I was invited to join him on a visit to the late John Fernyhough's private collection of British cars, on Manukau Rd. We were allowed to sit in the cars and it was on this visit, that I was able to establish that some of my favourite cars were not built to accommodate six-footers!
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    I believe the exhibits were sold off after John's passing which is a shame, as there were some interesting cars in there, whilst not rare in the true sense, there were examples of cars I have never seen elsewhere in NZ.
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    Targa 2005 - probably the first appearance of Neil Tolich's Perana. Not the best of photographs, but this is the last but one negative film I ever took. By this time, I had a compact Digital camera (from May 2004) but hadn't progressed to a DSLR.
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    Ray- whose is the Stag ?

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    Not at all sure John, but I think it was a regular Targa competitor at the time (2005)

    First 4 from 2002

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    Targa 2005 again
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    Jo Hill's controversial Herald V8. This spectacularly driven Herald V8 (Rover V8 power) was hugely popular on Targa and as at that stage, there was very little opportunity to compete with this sort of car for the rest of the year, Jo asked if he could run with ERC.

    I rewrote the rules to accommodate the car as I considered it a period car with an appropriate period engine (from the same group - BL), therefore COULD have been built in period.

    In period it was obviously OK to put a Corvette engine into a Ford Zephyr and everyone clapped their hands with glee.

    For some reason, this car divided attitudes like no other. It led to a major split between the Series and those race organisers who demanded each car had a CoD - which obviously it wouldn't get. We stood by our stance that it should be allowed to run and when Chris & I offered our version of T & C rules, we left a section open precisely for this type of car. As you all know, this never happened. More's the pity.

    To this day, you can't build a period saloon special and get it accepted. Even though the ERC rules were rewritten to accept this type of car, contrary to the doomsayers, the series was never overrun by cars of this type and even Jo didn't run with us, as I believe he moved to Australia. Our rules allowed a maximum of 5 repowered cars per season, but to date, 12 years later, the number of cars accepted on application = 0.

    You can of course stuff a Ford V8 into a 1300cc Capri and call it a Perana...

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    And of course never forget the current trend of V12 Jags into Morris Minors.......now where shall we put them ?
    Also on trademe there is a Jag 4.2 powering a Tank- great for CMC.....LOL

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    David Nathan owned this Stag at the time - and probably still does, although Carjam suggests it's not been road legal since 2008. When it was built, the engine reportedly was out to 3.2L and had a steel crankshaft amongst other fruity bits.

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    Skipping around a bit as I am uploading stuff that may have been scanned a few days ago and has been partially sorted before final filing.

    Donington Museum 2002. Some of the cars may well have been shown on this thread before, but from earlier or later visits.

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    The display of earlier McLarens is interesting but the later cars are too similar other than to a real McLaren enthusiast. The display ranges from F2 to F1 but includes the 4WD car as posted before.

    Back there in 4th position looks like the Patsy Burt hillclimb car. Some of the cars on display were on loan and many of those were removed when Tom died and the finances took a dive, even though the museum was a separate entity to the track.
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    Back to 2005 - and into 2006

    Mike John instigated the 'Living Legends', with drivers reunited with their cars (or similar cars), with a race meeting combined with Targa at Pukekohe. A very successful day in terms of spectator numbers.
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    Chelsea Hillclimb November 2005
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    Clive Taylor - and I'm guessing this was January 2006 at Pukekohe.
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    The first B & W pics are from the first two films I ever took, but this was before I borrowed Dad's Leica on a regular basis.
    Bear in mind it wasn't until about 1980 that I even had access to a long lens (and that wasn't very long!) and about 1982 before I acquired my first SLR, so the quality isn't anywhere near as good as I would have liked.


    1964 - Lotus Elite. I must tot up just now many pics I have of Lotus Elites...
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    Fast forward to May 1966, Mallory Park.
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    Then to May 1974.
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    Still a mix from old negatives, before I return to that massive pile of slides!

    1974 continued. Another Marcos Mantis...
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    I have these down as May but they could even be June, but I haven't fished out a race programme to check.
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    A pedant could have a field day with those description boards in front of the cars at Donington...

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    Ray,
    I always enjoy all your photos and appreciate all the effort you must go through to present them.
    The Mallory Park photos bring back memories for me but those photos got left behind when I left London in 1973.
    Your photos of the 1966 Grovewood Trophy Race in May show at first: David Hobbs # 2 leading Brian Redman # 3 in their Lola T70 Mk2s ahead of eventual winner Denny Hulme in the white (Sid Taylor Racing) Lola T70 Mk 2 around Shaws Hairpin. (A popular viewing spot )
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    Your other photo at the same corner shows: # 12 Peter Sutcliffe who came 2nd in his Ford GT40 after Hobbs and Redman retired, followed by David Piper in his Ferrari 250 LM # 16, then the # 6 McLaren Elva Mk2 of David Prophet and the # 15 Ford GT 40 of Eric Lidell.
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    (Thanks again Ray, I hope you don't mind me butting in. Ken H )
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    Glad it brought back memories Ken! As mentioned earlier, my ex managed to 'lose' much of my precious stuff - including the prints from those days - when the household stuff arrived and she arrived, 9 months after I'd left. Luckily, I had a large box of stuff shipped as I left and that included the negatives and slides.

    When you look at the above pics, it is hard to accept that in 1966, a tiny track (1.35 miles long) was able to attract no less than three Ford GT40s plus the Lolas, McLarens and David Piper's Ferrari!

    In catch up mode, scanning various films where odd ones may have been scanned some time ago.

    Yup, another Lotus Elite! Taken at Wollaton Park, probably around May/June 1979
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    I think this is from 2002 but I'm not sure what car! Someone will know.
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    On to January 2006.
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    Paul Forsyth's MG BV8 in GT series guise. Not the sharpest of pics, but it shows the full width wheels filling the bodywork.
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    I think this may well be the last ever weekend of using film. The Aussie V8 meeting March 2006. Thanks again to our Leisuretime sponsor, I was able to enjoy the hospitality of Tasman Motorsport on the Saturday.
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    If it hadn't been for the Corporate view, up high, I doubt I would have got many decent pics...
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    Ray, that corner of Mallory has barely changed, good spot for the photos. When the camera battery has charged I will post some of the VSCC meeting yesterday. A full field of 500s, the fabulous Aero engined cars.... it was sensory overload!

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    Yup. It was the closest I could get to the track and with no long lens, many of my pics have to be severely cropped. Once free of parental shackles (dad borrowed a firm's car now and again) and/or public transport, I used to get there early, do the paddock then park myself at the hairpin for the rest of the day. Oh how I wish I had today's long lens and DSLR back then... but I have said that before!

    I have no idea where or why there is a green stripe across these negs. That darned Russian camera (Kiev) wasn't exactly 100% reliable. (1979)
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    1982

    Remember we had a garage 2 doors way ('Chick' Wheelhouse) and he expanded to more modern premises in Old Basford, with the opening performed by Lewis Collins. Sadly, not a very sharp pic... Not at all professional quality.
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    Out back was this Bitter.
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    The Nottingham Sports Car Club ran a training day at Curborough sprint track March 1982 and part of the training was for flag marshals and St Johns Ambulance staff, which in the UK is 100% volunteers. Most of the younger ones were fairly new to dealing with seatbelts of any sort and here, NSCC Chief Flag Marshal Mike Mayfield, shows the full harness belts and probably the kill switch fitted to John Stonard's Piranha AFTER he had been extracted by the more experienced personnel!
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