Steve thanks again ............... good to be reminded ..... a great brother then & still is , a true champion ..... like some of us during the climb we get knocked down with the tall poppy syndrome only to make us stronger [like some us here], oddly enough this was a general discussion to night over a Friday night beer with some pre 65 boys in Tauranga ...... makes me grin . But 10,000 flies cant be wrong .......