Quote Originally Posted by GeebeeNZ View Post
Racer Rog suggested we go to the MSNZ AGM and with our clubs support have our say. The structure and funding of MSNZ is an interesting one. A few years ago I was a member of 3 clubs and each club paid a capitation levy for me. Yes 3 times for 1 person and yet I had no voting rights. The only contact MSNZ has with its wider membership is with those who have racing licences and yet the majority of members that MG, Alfa, etc pay for never race. Clubs get one vote no matter how many members they have and clubs whose main focus is Rallying can vote on historic matters and vice versa that is why it is so hard to get sometings changed. A dozen of us are thinking of forming a club becoming afiliated to MSNZ and having a vote. Strangely we would have the same status at a MSNZ AGM as Auckland Car Club and the Alfa and MG clubs who have large memberships. There has to be a message there. Not all democracies are truely democratic.
this has been the issue down through the years-who gets to vote for what.
in my lifetime in the sport i still remember well when Morrie Chandler and my father were President and Vice President of manz(for 20 years).--as it was then.
they took the reigns and we didnt have date clashes for major events and we had rally people deciding what was best for rallies and circuit people governing the tarmac series in conjunction with the tracks and classic/historic enthuasists entrusted with their disciplines as well as trials/hillclimbs etc etc being tended by the people involved.
give the job to the correct person sort of deal..
what happened???.
now its a shambles and dis jointed and with so so little trust.
everyone is bagging everyone else and honestly nothing will be resolved this way -emotion has well over ridden common sense.
a structure or re structure is required for sure..
the MG(example) car club should not be voting on what happens with the summer motorracing series as much as the capri car club(example) should be voting on things to do with the rally championship and the NZIGP be voting on classic historic issues.
maybe dont bag MNZ as a whole and work to put some structure back into the various classifications and let the right people work with their areas of expertise and passion..
MNZ hierarchy are not all criminals who need to be hung -drawn and quartered as made out on various forums.some are out of their depth for sure but specific structure needs to be addressed far more than sacking the lot and re introducing the death penalty..........
between this forum and ten tenths things are getting pretty ugly and personal and as per usual being blown out of all proportion.
the various gripes and vitriol on the forums at present are not new and i have spent many a dinner time listening to what the current complaints are(or were) ,but nowadays these are way more personal.
if some of you actually re read some of the threads and stopped to take it all in you may see things a little clearer.....or diferently.
i mean how long has Shane Harris been at the helm--1 term?????? and he's worthy of walking the plank.....seriously...!!!!!
personally i have been a racer/team manager/team owner/driver trainer and coach,parent to a current racer and spent many years chasing the sponsorship dollar and grown up with parents running a circuit as well as being heavily involved in MNZ and the summer series etc etc..i have never seen the sport so muddled with so many people thinking they know whats best and pushing their barrow really hard.
in reality most of you actually dont have the big picture in sight--tho you think you do-----just your particular interest which has become very all consuming.
now i guess i am open for a tongue lashing....