Dont worry oldfart, Jum can take it. As he will tell you, he and I are at the opposite ends of the schooling system. As I have said he left school when his feet could reach the pedals on the Bedford, and as he will gleefully tell you, I stayed at school till I was married.....he was a fast learner, while I was more a bit more on the casual side.....too much dreaming about cars!!!