Photos: The Allan Cameron Collection - Part 1

[John McKechnie]

Frosty- These cars were run in Australia, Jim Palmer brought this here.
The cabin size was protested about , being too small for a saloon car,no room for normal passengers in the back. so it was a sports car.
Car stopped racing and sold.
So The controversy compounded when the rules about saloon car cabin sizes changed again.and suddenly these were sedans.
Jim Short tells about how he raced his as a Sports Sedan.
Try taking 4 adults that have been in a Mini, Escort, Mustang and then put them in a 911.
Also around that time, Scott Wiseman entered his E-Type one week as a saloon, next time as a sports car.
Controversial is a suitable word here, go figure.

Info update15-8-
remember at that time there was Saloon Car and Touring Car controversy also-
Faheys Escort did not fit Saloon car, because of motor , but fitted Touring car- taken from Autonews.

[Steve Holmes]

Steve, memory has faded a bit over the years but what was the controversy over the Porsche?

Dave, as John said, it was the cabin space which seems to have been the issue. The same was true in the SCCA Trans-Am. The Porsche's were kicked out after the 1969 season. But they kept racing in Australia, as sedans, and in fact, both the Pete Geoghegan and Jim McKeown 911s were invited to race in New Zealand at different times by event organisers. But these weren't NZ Saloon Car Championship events.

Another reason for the controversy was that the Porsche actually fit into the 4.2 litre class, so was in the same class as the twin-cam Escorts etc, and was much faster. It was really an outright contender. I'm pretty sure Palmer won an NZSCC race outright in this car against the V8s.

[Steve Holmes]

Great Formula C action here, with a sideways Pierre Phillips leading David Oxton (left) and Peter Hughes.

[Steve Holmes]

[John McKechnie]

Steve H-Yeah- the MM article was titled something like-Porsche scares Jockeys off the big boys.

[Steve Holmes]

Another shot of Hughes and Oxton. The Hughes Lotus certainly had some attitude under power.

[Steve Holmes]

OK guys, some of your expert help is required here. This is still the Bay Park Xmas event, from 1970 (December 28, 1970). This race had several scratchings, so it was a depleted field that took the start. The front row consist of Graham McRae and Graeme Lawrence, while Cary Taylor is on the inside of row two behind McRae. Who are the other drivers in the field? Is that Mike Hole next to Taylor?

[GD66]

#19 is John Nicholson in the ex-Oxton BT16, #7 is Peter Moloney's Cooper. Don't recognise #39 by the driver's helmet, but it is the ex-Peter Hughes Lotus, wearing those distinctive Tranzal wheels.

[Steve Holmes]

Wow, took just seconds for a reply to come! Many thanks.

[woody]

This is the 28th Dec. 1970 Bay Park race field.

[GD66]

Bill Smith ?

[beowulf]

Humblest apologies, Oldfart, you did indeed say some car dealers only.

A short time after I posted the reply, I remembered that my brother, who had been finance manager or "Loan Arranger" for several years for a franchise dealer, found himself looking for a new job after that firm retrenched or downsized.

He found a similar job with another car dealer who, if not an actual motor sport participant, had considerable connections with the sport. Brother's first and only day there was spent largely in finding out just how many illegal financial practices were going on. He chose not to go back the next day!

Stu

One of the dodgy ones now "owns" Formula One.

[Steve Holmes]

This is the 28th Dec. 1970 Bay Park race field.

Thanks Woody, this is great!

[stubuchanan]

This is the 28th Dec. 1970 Bay Park race field.

Image wouldn't upload for me either, Steve, so I had to do it the long way.

There seems some doubt about the last man/car on the grid. Rest of grid appears to be McRae/Lawrence, Cary Taylor/Mike Hole, then Peter Maloney/ ??. Bill Smith was entered, but so was Baron Robertson, and the ever-unreliable Graham Vercoe mentions him finishing 4th but no reference to Bill Smith. Ken Smith, Radisich, and de Lore practised but didn't run, according to Vercoe, or was he just guessing?

I was 12000 miles away at the time so don't have any magazines or anything to look up, but just to confuse historians even more, as well as Peter Maloney racing that season there was also Peter Mahoney running a Brabham around that time.

Stu

[GD66]

And Jos Mahon as well! I'm sure the #19 car is Nicholson. I can say the Bay Park programmes were only a guide in those days...

[David McKinney]

It's Peter Moloney, not Maloney

And the No.19 car is the wrong colour (and the wrong time) for John Nicholson, but the right colour (and the right time) for Bill Smith

[GD66]

Well that's me shot then.


Never heard of him.

[Steve Holmes]

Image wouldn't upload for me either, Steve, so I had to do it the long way.

There seems some doubt about the last man/car on the grid. Rest of grid appears to be McRae/Lawrence, Cary Taylor/Mike Hole, then Peter Maloney/ ??. Bill Smith was entered, but so was Baron Robertson, and the ever-unreliable Graham Vercoe mentions him finishing 4th but no reference to Bill Smith. Ken Smith, Radisich, and de Lore practised but didn't run, according to Vercoe, or was he just guessing?

I was 12000 miles away at the time so don't have any magazines or anything to look up, but just to confuse historians even more, as well as Peter Maloney racing that season there was also Peter Mahoney running a Brabham around that time.

Stu

Stu, I've taken a closer look at why it is some images don't load for some people, and it would seem its the images themselves that are causing the problem. Or, to be more precise, the image types. There are 'jpg' images, and then there are 'jpeg' images. For some reason some computers don't recognise jpeg images, be they on the internet, sent via email, or whatever. Not sure why this is, I can only assume its in the set-up of each individual computer, but I know when I use Photoshop to resize images people send me, Photoshop doesn't recognise jpeg images. I actually have to rename them as jpg images to get it to recognise them before I can do anything with them.

[Steve Holmes]

Here is McRae, who drove away to win as he pleased.

[Steve Holmes]

Image wouldn't upload for me either, Steve, so I had to do it the long way.

There seems some doubt about the last man/car on the grid. Rest of grid appears to be McRae/Lawrence, Cary Taylor/Mike Hole, then Peter Maloney/ ??. Bill Smith was entered, but so was Baron Robertson, and the ever-unreliable Graham Vercoe mentions him finishing 4th but no reference to Bill Smith. Ken Smith, Radisich, and de Lore practised but didn't run, according to Vercoe, or was he just guessing?

I was 12000 miles away at the time so don't have any magazines or anything to look up, but just to confuse historians even more, as well as Peter Maloney racing that season there was also Peter Mahoney running a Brabham around that time.

Stu

OK, magazine report says Ken Smith, Frank Radisich, Peter de Lore, Bryan Faloon, Dexter Dunlop, and Robbie Francevic were all scratchings. Some broke in practice, others didn't actually front. Race report mentions McRae, Lawrence, Taylor, Robertson, Hole, Maloney, and Bill Smith.