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    Quote Originally Posted by ERC View Post
    Q: What is the real value of a CoD (not the perceived value of being able to compete elsewhere nor the level playing field mantra), given that two thirds of regular competitors in several established classes/series haven't even bought into the system?
    Well the compete elsewhere does not wash - I say that as most Classic Meeting run with sup regs for given grids which usually are by invitation only - Even the FIA state that having a HTP does not guaranty acceptance or entry. Level playing field...that only applies if you are talking about same make/model cars - each car has it good/strong points and its weak points. So why else have a CoD - the only thing I can say to that is that point in time thing. This is how the car was built and the CoD is that point in time doc aka the reference to check the car for correctness against. So that is value - this car is what it say it is - if not then what??? Do we care??? The CoD as I see it the document that shows the car is period correct for the given era/period the car represents.

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    Q: If those series are happy outside the CoD system or even outside T & C as it stands right now, even if only marginally, should those series change to be T & C compliant (eliminating a fair few cars), or, should the T & C rules better relate to the wishes of the competitors?
    That is really good question. Should the cars fit the rules or the rules fit the cars? I think cars should fit the rules period. You don't go and play soccer and pickup the ball and run with it that is a different sport - the rules don't allow for it. So the rules don't fit a number of cars is that the rules fault?

    I am playing the rules lawyer card here (I do love the cars that are outside of the rule they are well built and credit to the owners/fabricators/builders/Engineers etc). I have hard road to travel as most seem to not like the Datsun 240z/260z due to the Japanese thing so I know if I built a car outside of the rules there would be no grid for me to run in. So I want to ensure my car is compliant to the rules so if a grid denies me entry I know it is not due to non compliance it will be due to other reasons.

    For most it would be minor changes fitting of original bumpers or steel body work (or get approval from H&C Commission to run alternate period correct material/replica parts if NLA, too rare to risk etc). It is those so far outside of the rules that will have issues - ie removal of replica Forest Flares from Escorts to comply with T&C rules. I think that is too big of an ask for some as it results in lots of changes, rims need to change, car needs to be painted again etc you are talking about $1000's worth of changes.

    So now looking at the rules then what is the issue with the rules? Fitment of all external trim really?? Is that required?? In period most of the bright work was removed, manufactures even sold cars to the public minus trim for the purpose of racing the cars. Some of this trim is NLA we are talking classic cars here you can't go down the road and purchase replacements from the Ford dealer, or Austin dealer anymore you have to search the world for this stuff not just in NZ. So some of the T&C rules are bit crazy in that regard. So I think it is a bit of both needs to happen.
    Last edited by nzeder; 01-09-2014 at 05:53 AM.

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