Carl... what year would that have been , very interesting can remember when Pete arrived at Barnard St you will remember the story ........... as time flies .......I was working up the rd a bit at Hepburns [ Don the boss ] they [Todd Group] helped Ernie & Leo into the VG 318 ....then the Chargers...all interconnected & great rememberence ........... geeeeee they were the days as a kid