....OK,latest toy is a 1957 Morris Minor,2door,MGB (Worked!)5speed Celica box,Morris Marina rear end,Disc brake conversion front end,low as shark shit!!pretend 'Minilites 2007 Alfa seats...registered....Fast and Furious !!!!!!!.......have we thought of an 'open section' for people like myself and Paul Kirk........regards thunder427/MJ
Simple answer, yes we have thought of such cars, took about 2 seconds, find another place to play!
Cars like this would kill it all before they got as far as the grid.
Neat car, but NOT what is wanted.
If your going to allow mods like the peugeot with epoxied inlet runners above you might as well forget it, how long before someone drills new inlet ports in a siamese inlet head to make it flow better with downdraft carbs etc & they start getting real improvements in power, what next, a Skoda with all the sleeves bored offset & an 8 port head, would go like a cracker.
Thunder427.......you and I have done a bit of sparing on this forum so we KNOW where we are coming from, but your latest outburst can't go unchallenged. I am amazed that you should suggest such a stupid and frivolous thing as to try to get a MODIFIED Morris Minor as you indicated, into this new class of racing. If Oldfart IS an old fart, then you are in danger of sending him over the edge....he could well have had a heart-attack already for all I know. Of course we dont know whether Oldfart, is in fact old, because most of us dont know WHO he is. I didnt even challenge you when you accused me of calling my Mother 'an old bitch'!!!!! But this is going too far. I demand that you extend an immediate apology to Oldfart, and refrain from such hurtful and damaging remarks in the future. Failure to do so will result in my canceling my subscription to 'roaringseason'. If you weren't so far away I would I would send my whanau brothers around to give you a hiding!!!!!!!!! lol.
.......one lady owner, Modified Morris Minor 'FOR SALE',too Fast for older owner in the 'twilight of his career,Whanau residents do not need to apply as vehicle is possibly on the small size.....................need money to maintain subscription of favourite forum,whose fees may have just shot up in my case!!!!...............for ever respectful to eldery people ..........under427?MJOriginally Posted by AMCO72
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Hell, you think that Thunders neat car would offend me, no chance, just has other places to play!
In regards an old fart, just a couple of years away from the gold card. If you did read my "intro yourself" much is revealed. In the "good old days" I waved flags so that most of the contributors here, at least Bob, Gerald, Thunder, GeeBee, could go and play, so I have been around for a wee while. Raglan, Pukekohe, BayPark, Ruapuna, Timaru all had me leaning on a marshal post somewhere. Taupo wasn't thought of by the time I meandered away.
JacMac, the "rule" reads that modifications of the period, and onus of proof on the entrant. Clearly the Pug head which Bob showed WAS done in the period, as was the supercharged one which I showed. The Euros were not quite as far behind the 8 ball as we imagined, or were perhaps lead to believe.
The 203 raced by Doug Lawrence and later by Graeme and Bryan had twin SU's by this method, and one run in Nelson at Tahunanui (first car on the scene of the Giff Tait fatality) also used this, as did the Formula Junior 203 motor. On thoses bases alone it could be easily argued that it would be legal. Wheter it's in the spirit would need discussion, but would be readily taken back to another phase by simple replacement of the head if the group was unhappy, and I, for one, would be happy to abide by that decision. As outlined in the guidelines!
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Thunder427......am I dreaming or isn't this how we used to do it in the 50's. Find some old 'pile-of-pus' and jamb a big motor in and go racing? When you think of a Morrie with steering rack instead of box, which a lot of fifties cars had, makes a lot of sense. Would love to see a photo of this car, or does it just exist in your head. And by the way, I don't notice much remorse in your reply, and just putting the car up for sale is not going to sooth frayed nerves.
This thread is extremely interesting, and I for one cannot wait for the next Roycroft meet to see what eventuates.
On the other hand, I think some of the posts on here really belong in Yards and Yarns!
Yep the Pug head info was definately pre 60 ,it was offered more out of interest than anything else ,SU carbs yep still got a bit of a soft spot for them ,and you can do some interesting things with them ,I wouldnt write them out of my future if I decide to do something ,Now heres something to rock the boat ,and the car came out in 1959,sorry the photo is so old and crinkled ,but I have been drooling over it for around fifty years ,Thunder will know what it is,its probably on his Lotto wish list as well
I enjoyed Geralds comments "this how we used to do it in the 50's. Find some old 'pile-of-pus' and jamb a big motor in and go racing?". In the 1960s when they used to scrutineer cars at the Auckland testing station the night before an event I remember a certain Austin A35. Top Lynndale Athletic club runner and Auckland Car Club member Eddie Rompleberg and his mates had shoehorned a Zephyr motor into an A35 and were negotiating with the Scrutineers to try and get it passed. I think the paint was still wet on it. Whether it was allowed to run or not I never found out. For some reason I have never forgotten the horrid looking thing but thats what blokes did to go racing.
Yes I remember that one , I have told a couple of people about it and they didn't believe me I am not sure ,But I have a funny idea I might have seen it at a Sprint after that and it rings a bell that it tore the rear spring hanger out of the rusty chassis rail,I am not sure if it was the same car for certain as I was too busy to pay a lot of attention to it
I may be odd but in a Regularity field at Eastern Creek last October that included an Alfa Tipo C 8C, 250F Maserati, Old Yella, a Mallock and a number of English Sports Cars it was the Simca Aronde that fascinated me. According to the sign on the side it is running under Category Na but note the negative camber and modern sticky road tyres.
....Na,probably stands for 'Not Applicable'.....................'Not Always' correct,but still smiling after all these years
Oldfart,the MM is a reality,the family I'm aquiring it from ,bought it when there son was born,put the baby in the back for safe motoring days ,he know has a family of his own,talanted young Automotive Engineer with a RS500 in his collection that is close to perfect,a wooden race boat you would die for,great family,old school values,I feel privilaged to be offered this great little car...it will be like the 1960's again terrorising the residents of Sumner and Redcliffs..........requires 'cosmetic overhaul' photo's will follow when project starts.......to be honest surrounded daily by Corvette's and Camaro's,this little MM has got my attention........would love to do some Hill Climbs before old Arther Itis kicks in ...regards thunder427/MJ
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A number of possibilities leap to mind but I would follow the footsteps of my boyhood heros Harold Heasley and Sammy Mills and build something along the lines of a Humber 80 or Hillman Minx. I might have a Super Gold Card but as I have rediscovered this past rally season I have not lost my desire to perform to the best of my ability and while the likes of a Studebaker appeals, you still have to stop the bloody thing and get it around a corner and I very much doubt if the Stude could do that any better now than it did when it was new.
One car no one has mentioned yet is the early Vauxhal Victor, I used to hate the things with a passion but if you look at what Avon Hyde achieved with those engines, plus give the thing a diet, slip a CA Bedford diff ratio in and throw away those heavy bumper bars as the new exhaust system would not fit through them you could have one that sneaks through under the radar here
I've just been lurking on this thread but what about a pre 1960 Fiat 1100 saloon with a Formula Junior spec Fiat 103 engine. The Formula Junior Fiat engine derived from this car and was modified in period (pre 1960) with twin Webers, 8 port head, high compression, piano top pistons etc. Claimed period power was around 90 bhp from the 1089cc engine and other modifications were such things as Gatto twin shoe drum brakes.
I suppose the same could apply to an A30 with a Formula Junior period spec A Series race engine.
Would these configurations comply?
Carlo......the Studebaker would certainly be a bit of a mission getting round corners, but hey it would be fun trying. As for braking...mmmmmm dont know. That is going to be a problem with ALL the larger cars, as I said in another post ,this is where the little guys have an advantage......they loose in the HP stakes but make it up in agility. And RogerH, when I was working on the dairy farm in Leeston, [see Yards & Yarns 92] we had as a hack a Fiat 1100 Multipla.....sort of a station wagon, but entry was on the side rather than the back, for obvious reasons. We severely tested it's load- carrying capacity on a number of occasions when we took sacks of potatoes to the Christchurch markets. Loaded to the gunwales it was!!! I have driven that thing the 30 miles from the farm to the market and NEVER got into top gear. Must have been made of tough stuff because it was still running when I left 2 years later, so that engine could take a beating in a race-car. Don't know how many revs it was doing, but I wasn't giving it ANY mercy...in fact I was trying to blow it up....didnt succeed though!
I am STILL confused as to why almost everyone here has to try to be the one to come up with the out and out racer. This is intended for a fun way for people to thrash around a circuit at speeds above what they can legally do on the road. At the last Roycroft Harry had his Light 15 thrashing around and at the end of the day put the muffler back on, through the picnic basket on the back seat and went home with a huge grin.
That is the spirit of the thing IMHO.
You DO NOT HAVE TO BUILD A RACING CAR. If I had the money and not so many other projects on the go I would buy something like an A35 go and use it then modify as I went along.
That is believe it or not my thoughts as well ,if you want to be stupid go off and do it somewhere else ,I can see its only meant to be a fun thing ,granted I have suggested a couple of out of the way projects ,but have really done so to inject a bit of interest and thought into the whole thing , I have enough high pressure do or die efforts going on in my work,with out anymore ,what appeals to me is perhaps the chance to use my creative thinking and have a bit of fun doing it ,the chance of playing around with SU carbs ,superchargers etc appeals to me ,to be honest I am not really worried if I win or not ,if the tyres go off or the drum brakes fade so be it ,I will do what I have done all my life and drive it accordingly and have a bit of fun doing so , my own view is that perhaps the class will attract some people who want to race ,a VW ,Fiat or Studebaker ,they will all present their own challenges to get going and sort out ,the biggest hurdle I see at the moment is finding cars that are not just a unsafe rusty hulk ,yes I know there are good restored examples out there but they are in that condition for a very good reason ,most of them are being cherished and not beaten around a race track ,at the end of the day I think we have to realise this is about having a bit of fun and not creating Supercars,I think thats why the rules have to laid down with some firm guidelines before we even start,and Old Fart I think I was one of the people who got the biggest kick out of seeing that Light 15 out there ,I talked about it for weeks afterwards
Oldfart - haven't you heard the saying that the first motorcycle race started about the same time as the second motorcycle was built. Same sentiment applies with cars - someone is always going to want to win and thrashing a standard engine around a race course is only going to go in one direction - bang. Once you start modifying where do you stop?
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