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    Driving in the Matamata races was a once in a lifetime experience and an absolute joy. A real dinkum road race on a real road, power poles, kerbs, plenty of stuff to hit, but all of this somehow made things so easy. Braking points were simple to judge and identify and everything fell onto place.

    The circuit felt like home and a drive down to the local shops, but with the extraordinary opportunity to drive on or over the limit. Every time I have been there since, I have recalled the fun of flat out down the main street between the central planted dividing sections. Hard to imagine in this day of politically correct safety. It was there, you could hit it and getting very, very close to doing so was the name of the game. Hooooooooooooray!

    A continual sequence of normal roadside objects along the way provides an aspect where one feels at home and to go flat out in these circumstances is out of this world. Thank goodness sticky tyres did not inhibit the exercise. It was small time in many ways but this was real motor racing. Driving on a dedicated racing circuit just does not, can not and will never compare.

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    EUREKA........I see we have hit the 10 Grand hits on Yards and Yarns. I was following the two top runners for some time....Images from my past and Yards and Yarns. 'Images' trailed us for a long time, then all of a sudden..whoosh...they just rocketed ahead, probably due to those amazing photos posted of the 'good old days'. Keep it up fellas, we have certainly chewed the fat in 'roaringseason'.

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    I was going to post this on 'going even older' because of the age group it concerns, but 'Pallmall' would be directing me to Yards & Yarns so here it is. WARNING......this is not a bedtime story.....it is a nightmare....it is an old race-car drivers WORST nightmare!...read on.......At my time of life, and with my medical history, I am required when applying for my competition licence to satisfy Motorsport NZ that I am a safe and suitable person to drive on a race track. To this end I fill in a large questioneer.....'.have I ever been committed to a Mental Asylum'. etc, etc, .....and submit myself to a fairly rigorous medical examination with my Doctor. Blood pressure, kidney function, ECG, hearing loss, eyesight....all are put through their paces. As my licence was about to expire, I make an appointment and duly turn up at the surgery to get hooked up to machines with flashing lights that records everything that's happening in my body of 72 years. Well think of a 72 year old car....things are bound to be wrong. The computer printout is not promising. Oh dear, things have slipped since last time....too many hot-dogs and chips....and everything is in a state of decline...... marginal was how the Dr described it! Never mind, he knows me well, has been my GP for over 40 years, and in the box on the application that says...'do you, the Dr, consider that this person is fit and able to drive in competition'?, my good man puts in a big tick, and we sent the completed form off to Palmerston North for consideration. The wait is interminable, but eventually the distinctive envelope arrives. I tear it open with shaking hands....bloody Parkinsons! A decision has been made. I am apparently a danger to other competitors and am therefore required to surrender my licence forthwith. I am devastated. I break down in tears and reach for the whiskey bottle....cant remember whether the alcohol reacts with all the pills I'm taking......bloody Alzheimers!! With the stoke of a pen I have been 'hung, drawn, and quartered'. It's all over. BUT, consider this. I am allowed to drive on the Queens Highway without such a certificate, yet, and if I had a 'medical incident' while behind the wheel the result could be chaos. On the race track where we are all driving in the same direction, concentrating very very hard, in a machine at the peak of it's condition, and strapped in like fighter pilots,in the event of a 'medical incident' the car will, I hope, just glide to a stop adjacent to the armco as Denny Hulme did at Bathurst. So there it is. Like an old worn out 72 year old sofa I have been cast on to the scrap-heap. Funnily enough, I have been threatening to take up knitting a number of times on this forum.......'many a true word spoken in jest'. All true EXCEPT.......I passed. During the wait my BP was hovering around 200/100.....not good. Dont think I will go through this again. I am definately going to take up knitting, or maybe get up peoples noses by writing stuff on 'roaringseason', because I'll have so much more time on my hands. You have been warned....it could happen to you.

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    Never mind Gerald, get a vintage licence from the VCC, cheaper and MUCH easier. A bit restricted on the events you can run, but I am sure you would be welcomed!

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    That is tough news to get!


    Local doctor that did my first medical for competition licence [1963] did not have an eye colour chart.
    He asked had I had ever played snooker?
    "Yep was my reply" - he asked did I have a problem picking out the colour of the balls ?
    "No I replied" - doc says pass, you will have no problem with flags!
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    Thanks for the sympathy vote guys, but you did of course read the....EXCEPT! The worry was that it took so long for the decision to be made....is usually quite quick, so naturally I started to worry. Think it was 4 weeks from my initial online application. I dont have a problem with a medical, but in the end the final decision is made by someone who doesn't know me, and has never seen me. I have seen a lot of much more unhealthy LOOKING guys than me at race tracks trying to squeeze their fat, sweety bodies into race suits, but their printouts must be OK. I like the idea of a VCC licence......now I wonder why it is less rigorous to get than a MSNZ one. I'm just as likely to have a 'medical incident' driving my Citroen Light 15 as I am with the Mini, and frankly speed is relative......anything over 100 kph is going to hurt. I think if Oldfarts idea gets off the ground maybe the VCC will hold more 'speed' events, because you are right that there are not that many at the moment ,although I know they have an odd hillclimb or two. I liked Kwaussie's 'eye-test'.....now thats what I call sensible. Bob, I'm sure they have a social club, perhaps not drinking the beverage you are thinking of, but any VCC event I have attended over the years seems to be punctuated by endless cups of tea!!!!

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    I agree Oldfart and Bob. I mean, who do we think we are out there racing with the hot-shots, some of whom aren't averse to giving you a serve. I know that I am driving to the maximum of MY ability but certainly NOT to the maximum of the Mini's ability. I can tell you that Angus is AT LEAST 8 seconds a lap quicker in the wet, and 4 seconds quicker in the dry on any of the tracks that we compete on, in the same car!! This VCC thing is looking more and more attractive. Unfortunately the Mini falls into a sort of no-mans land between VCC eligible and Classic 60's saloons in it's performance. When Tony Mann bought the Sidchrome Imp up for the Bruce McLaren festival he and I were more than 100 horse power down on the next group of cars, so to even sort of keep up, which we didn't do by the way, you have to drive the arse off the car, and I am not prepared to do that. So we just trailed around at the rear of the field reliving the glory days, when these two cars were fierce rivals. Buy the way Oldfart, a Citroen might be the ultimate machine for your series, wide, low, f/w drive....mmmmm ....not sure whether the engines can be lightly tuned. Bob, do you know? [By the way Bob, I do not do 'Facebook' but I am very happy to be your friend on here.]

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    Now there's an opening for you Bob, "Social Director" reckon you have the qualifications needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob homewood View Post
    Gerald ,Citroen 15 I have worked on a few standard examples over the years,but the only time I ever done anything other than service work ,was at a tuning business where I worked ,we had one come in belonged to the local doctor ,brought it in one day because it was a bit off color ,we did a compression check ,yes it was not good news. we decided to do a valve grind on it and he suggested we give the ports and rough edges a bit of a clean up,we suggested he ditch the Solex carb and fit a DCD Weber ,we used to have these little cast adaptors that you drilled to suit the manifold ,its a long time ago ,but from memory the Inlet manifold looked a bit like a BMC B series one ,one of the Citroen people on here will no doubt confirm or deny that ,or in turn perhaps banish me into the Foreign Legion,after we had finished it we set the jetting etc up on the Dyno ,too long back to remember what difference it made ,but the good thing with a lot of stuff in that era was a good clean up in the ports and unshrouding the valves always worked wonders,likewise with the carburetor ,most of them had carbs that were too small on them,we used to fit the DCD Weber or later on a Hitachi carb to lots of cars, so that its it on my Citroen tuning ,actually I was just thinking Doctors must have a thing with Citroen's as one of my Doctors later in life had two of them ,albeit of a much more modern expensive variety
    Rod I was just thinking actually ,after reading Gerald' comments on tea drinking etc ,I don't think I will apply for the job ,I think they would find both you and I are perhaps over qualified for the job especially if they have read some of the comments we have written on here,we might not even get invited to join them
    Bob..seeing your post on the Light 15 really caught my eye..I have fond memories of my Dad taking me to Ohakea and Levin in the back of his his example,, he had fitted( to my Mothers Annoyance ) a louder muffler and a 'Fish Tail ' exhaust...I can still remember the distinctive engine note it produced. Always therefore had a soft spot for these things and was delighted to see an example racing at Sandown at the last Historic meeting.
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    Citreon light 15

    Before the Buckle sports car, Bill Buckle raced this Citroen Light 15
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    Quote Originally Posted by bry3500 View Post
    Before the Buckle sports car, Bill Buckle raced this Citroen Light 15
    Gerald its looking good,nice and low.get Angus onto the suspension and set up ,along with bit of a Cam and head work ,now being real stupid wasn't there a 22cv with a V8 made or planned and also Citroen I think planned a Flat six for the later DS models ,wonder if the later Subaru 6 owed anything to this design ?

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    Can't say I am very impressed for "our" series with the tyres that CI Maigret is using!
    Gerald and Bob, my tea tends to come from a teapot with Kentucky written on it!

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    Well..that shot of CI Maigret was taken at the Mt Coot hillclimb O.F....probably ran with different tyres at Sandown

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    Australian citroen Special

    While we are talking about Light 15 Citroens.......
    The car shown here at King Edward Park Hillclimb, Newcastle in 1955 was unusual in retaining the front wheel drive from the Citroen sedan from which it took its mechanicals
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldfart View Post
    Can't say I am very impressed for "our" series with the tyres that CI Maigret is using!
    Gerald and Bob, my tea tends to come from a teapot with Kentucky written on it!
    Now that sounds OK ,we got something in common .bit fond of the old "Kentucky " myself, and no keep the tyres sensible so they slide around , too much grip puts too much strain on a lot of other old stuff as well,and I'm not referring to the driver
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    ....AMCO72,My ol sparring partner,I need your help!!...Christchurch 1960's/70's Cnr of Idris Road and Fendalton Road,North/ East cnr of the intersection was a very nice long ,low roof style house, poss dark red brick comes to mind, they sported a '56 grey Ford Ranchwagon (rare, in its self !!!!) they also owned a Maroon Citroen (Pos Light 15) roadster,used to leave it parked out in the open,always appeared in nice condition....AMCO&@ how is the memory going,have to wonder where this great car is today??????????......regards thunder427/MJ

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    Cant enlighten you there thunder427. I left school in 1958, was at Lincoln from then to mid 1961, then a stint on a Nth Island farm, back to Leeston mid 63 to mid 65, then to Cambridge, so wasnt around and about ChCh during the period you mention. My goodness, an L15 roadster, she would be worth a few bob today, although I like the shape of the saloon better. I always thought the L15 had a bit of a dodgy engine, but maybe not.Thats why I asked Bob if he had had any experience with them. Only 3 speed gearbox, with that strange gearstick poking out of the dash. This was one make I had forgotten about in the Lincoln 'Fleet'. One of the lads had one painted bright yellow, and after driving Model A's, and Whippet roadsters, the Citroen was light years ahead on performance and road-holding....can remember some exciting drives in it. And of course it made a wonderful SOUND. As to where it is now????????????? I dont think the Ranchwagon would make a very good race-car......good tow-car maybe.

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    I don't know much about this, other than it is Forest Lake circa 1968/69 in the very early days of Speedway Saloon racing when just about every make of car was tried. Interesting that the headlights are retained, although turned around for extra speed!


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    A Citroen Light 15!
    Interesting routing of the exhaust pipe and I suspect 'porkies' re the 1200cc capacity rating given the smallest engine in a right hand drive L15 was 1911cc. The smallest engines ever in L15's were pre WWII left hand drive cars in France of 1303cc and 1628cc capacity.

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    Bob..you should be writing a book

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