NEW CLASS / SERIES; Historic Sports Sedans. formation meeting.20/04/13 ACC

[crunch]

Brent Willis Commodore?

[Steve Holmes]

Brent Willis Commodore?

That car seems to have gone AWOL Crunch. I know Brett was on here some months back advertising he'd like to know its whereabouts. To the best of my knowledge it still hasn't surfaced.

[jim short]

Brett Willis,I notice George left out the Jag xjs{a car Muscle car not called as such}my Porsche that ran for 5 years and added some that never ran .The millen jag !!never a Sport Sedan.. Not very hard to go through the Sports Sedan records all the cars were listed and if they ran as a Sport Sedan they are a Sport Sedan,, Now please no more phone calls its now in black and white

Brent Willis Commodore?

[CUSTAXIE50]

Brett Willis,I notice George left out the Jag xjs{a car Muscle car not called as such}my Porsche that ran for 5 years and added some that never ran .The millen jag !!never a Sport Sedan.. Not very hard to go through the Sports Sedan records all the cars were listed and if they ran as a Sport Sedan they are a Sport Sedan,, Now please no more phone calls its now in black and white

Tell me a little about your car Jim that ran as a Sport Sedan ,maybe a photo and how it turned into a Sport Sedan.

[jim short]

Over thirty years ago 4 Porsche owners joined together to find a race 911, Mark Scott ex Nicky Lauder mechanic found a special one off 911 built for Mark Grouo..'.ky in Poland a rally car ,it was converted to a circuit car and ran and won some big events in the UK 5th in a 24 hr race in Belguim,ect,.It arrived in NZ 1981?? I was invited to join the group after drinking plenty off wine ,and driving all over the North Shore in their latest 911 turbo, 928 ect to sweeten me up {what a joke},Ray Baker even brought a new reel mower and a couple cycles for his kids{Dean Am. Cup} and sister, to help me raise my share The car was so quick the other Porsche owners were not happy to run against it ,was strange the Jag club that the Porsche club had little time for were only to happy to have it run. At this time Sports Sedans were scratching to find eneough cars to hold a race and I think it was Paul Burnett {charger} that arranged for an entry,As to the rest get Rod ,Brett,Bob Tony, Ross, Ian, Barry, John,to tell not forgetting Brian for repainting it,as I dont wish to be a smart arse.

[AMCO72]

Indeed Powder, this car is still around. It is with FOGG Motorsport in Auckland having a very extensive, and I have no doubt expensive restoration. The car was in a very poor state when it arrived at Angus' workshop. Over its years of racing it had become very loose and floppy, with lots of English spot welds having broken away. The roll cage was a very basic affair and this has been attended to.

You tend to think, or maybe you don't, that these quality cars were well constructed in the factory, but think again. The sheer weight of all the components puts huge strain on the bodywork.....the front axle assembly weighs about as much as the Mini!!!!!Driven quietly around English roads they may have been alright, but in the rough and tumble of racing they didn't stand up. Of course attempts to lighten things over the years hasn't helped.

I had a look at the body after it had been stripped of all its components, and the number of small pressings that were spotted together to make up the complete shell defies belief. No wonder it fell to pieces!

Currently the car, with a new roll-frame is in Moselle Panel and Paint getting the panel-work done and painted. It will still be white, as it has always been in its racing days, but will be a much tighter and together machine when finished.

[Dave Silcock]

Indeed Powder, this car is still around. It is with FOGG Motorsport in Auckland having a very extensive, and I have no doubt expensive restoration. The car was in a very poor state when it arrived at Angus' workshop. Over its years of racing it had become very loose and floppy, with lots of English spot welds having broken away. The roll cage was a very basic affair and this has been attended to.

You tend to think, or maybe you don't, that these quality cars were well constructed in the factory, but think again. The sheer weight of all the components puts huge strain on the bodywork.....the front axle assembly weighs about as much as the Mini!!!!!Driven quietly around English roads they may have been alright, but in the rough and tumble of racing they didn't stand up. Of course attempts to lighten things over the years hasn't helped.

I had a look at the body after it had been stripped of all its components, and the number of small pressings that were spotted together to make up the complete shell defies belief. No wonder it fell to pieces!

Currently the car, with a new roll-frame is in Moselle Panel and Paint getting the panel-work done and painted. It will still be white, as it has always been in its racing days, but will be a much tighter and together machine when finished.

You are quite correct about those XJS's. The front end of them is as weak as any thing I have seen. Compared to the stucture in a Mk2 one would have to say the engineering is irresonsible!! Mind you in my opinion they are the worst car Jaguar ever made except for the V12 E type.

[Rod Grimwood]

Tell me a little about your car Jim that ran as a Sport Sedan ,maybe a photo and how it turned into a Sport Sedan.

As I said in last couple of posts, we ran everything and anything, like even an Escort with a Pacific wing on it and then you zip into pits take wing off change rear springs and put on other boot with little spoiler and out you go in clubmans, clever buggers those SS boy's

Please don't turn this into a 'how can you run that, it wasn't like that thread' Sports Sedans catered for a wide variety of cars and people. Jag yes remember it, Jum in his Modified VW followed it a few times (nice black with red stripes paint), plastic Corvettes, Minis, Vivas (even one crazy one with V8) all types, in fact if it ran, had 4 wheels, you got a run. I hope that is what George is looking at.

[Rod Grimwood]

Brent Willis Commodore?

Correct Crunch and a load more that ended up half framed etc.

Custaxie, remember you are dealing with Sports Sedan boys, who were always kind of frowned on because of the different way they did things and i can remember some days when there was grids with cars that were built just about any way possible (some good, some not so good) Think if George keeps like old school and there is no points, flowers, or hay bales presented, all can go and run their car.

I will be intouch with George as was on Original committee with SS for awhile along with others who are still around (and have cars in their sheds)

[CUSTAXIE50]

Correct Crunch and a load more that ended up half framed etc.

Custaxie, remember you are dealing with Sports Sedan boys, who were always kind of frowned on because of the different way they did things and i can remember some days when there was grids with cars that were built just about any way possible (some good, some not so good) Think if George keeps like old school and there is no points, flowers, or hay bales presented, all can go and run their car.

I will be intouch with George as was on Original committee with SS for awhile along with others who are still around (and have cars in their sheds)

Rod i do understand what you are saying,so i could go and build any car like custaxie 1 and they would let me race it with others that may be out there.