Noise

[crunch]

having commented on one or two threads on here about noise I thought it deserves its own thread.
I feel that you racers out there are being lead along with noise readings being taken at trackside. these readings have no use at all. they are just numbers collected to use against YOU.
Noise is only a problem at the boundary of a venue where it can upset some of the general public. Inside the fence 99.8% of people are there to watch cars racing and making noise so by definition they give consent to the noise.
So why is it measured at track side? YOU go and ask the clerk of the course, if he cannot give an acceptable reason you have options.
Should you be told 'that is what msnz want then ask the steward of the meeting who represents msnz to explain why this is being done.
if you are happy good luck as you fall in line.
You should not be happy at all and ask for the noise meters and persons using them to removed from the premises before you will take your car on track. If you all stand together you will win against this unfair practise of condeming your self to and official that your entry fees are paying to be there.
Remember that without you MSNZ does not exsist so they do what you want not the reverse.
the owners of the venue have a vested interest in backing you (they want their fee) and the local council only has power in a public place.

Just my vent, but I have been through this senario twice before while overseas
928

Just a couple of minor points 928. Your entry fee does not pay for officials to be at the circuit. I think you would find most are paying for themselves to be there. Noise Rule in manual needs to be changed...a good remit for conference!!

[928]

you mean the msnz officials do not get expenses from the promotors or organisers.

[ERC]

The MSNZ stewards claim petrol expenses and apart from them, the only other officials of the meeting who are paid are the timekeepers. All others officials and flaggies, safety car drivers, dummy grid and pit lane officials are volunteers.

Others who may be paid are generally service providers, but as the timekeepers are listed as Judges of fact, they therefore are officials even though they are also service providers.

As it was explained to me, it may be mandatory in the future for the race organisers to have noise monitoring and may well be required to submit a report at the end of each meeting, which will inevitably lead to a paid official and/or equipment hire, pushing up the costs yet again. Deep joy.

Remember Tony Roberts did a 24 noise monitoring exercise at Hampton Downs and the loudest noise recorded was the dawn chorus...

[RogerH]

Just a couple of minor points 928. Your entry fee does not pay for officials to be at the circuit. I think you would find most are paying for themselves to be there. Noise Rule in manual needs to be changed...a good remit for conference!!

Crunch - I thought MSNZ were already looking at this - if so, does a remit need to be put in?

We put in a "submission" to MSNZ a month or so back based on the debacle at Pukekohe where the track managers used (incorrectly) the MSNZ noise guidelines to send a competitor home early. It turned out that the methodology used was fundamentally wrong and the competitor should not have been excluded - I bet no one refunded that part of his entry fee that he was unable to use.

[Oldfart]

Crunch - I thought MSNZ were already looking at this - if so, does a remit need to be put in?

We put in a "submission" to MSNZ a month or so back based on the debacle at Pukekohe where the track managers used (incorrectly) the MSNZ noise guidelines to send a competitor home early. It turned out that the methodology used was fundamentally wrong and the competitor should not have been excluded - I bet no one refunded that part of his entry fee that he was unable to use.

And there is no refund for the enjoyment he did not get!

[crunch]

Crunch - I thought MSNZ were already looking at this - if so, does a remit need to be put in?

We put in a "submission" to MSNZ a month or so back based on the debacle at Pukekohe where the track managers used (incorrectly) the MSNZ noise guidelines to send a competitor home early. It turned out that the methodology used was fundamentally wrong and the competitor should not have been excluded - I bet no one refunded that part of his entry fee that he was unable to use.

It is part of an executive inquiry happening this week. SO cant comment.
However; I WOULD put a remit to conference to make sure something happens!!

[rf84]

Thank heavens we have someone at MSNZ who actually LISTENS to common sense and is prepared to attempt some change.
I know you come on for some flak from time to time on this forum Raymond but at least you are well aware of the opinions of the "grassroots" followers of motorsport which unfortunately does not seem to extend to some of your colleagues in Bullshit Castle in Wellington. You are to be commended for your courage and willingness to actively address the issues. Pity you can't convince more of them to get on this site.