Repowered Classics

[crunch]

Crunch, how does this relate to the replication of similar cars when a COD has been incorrectly issued? I'm thinking specifically of the Escort with the YB Cosworth engine. Which of the 3 following statements would reflect policy?
1. We'll limit the mistake to one car.
2. We must allow replications of this model whenever produced.
3. We must allow all similar deviations across all makes & models .i.e. KE25 Corolla can run 3SGE.

There are probably quite a few cars out there with COD's that maybe should never had got them. Of course; you try to limit the mistakes.
However the car you refer to (and I think Carlo was in on the discussion at the time) had an owner that provided written material such as magazine articles to show that in 1982 the Mark 2 Escort was tested with the engine that ended up in the Sierra Cosworth. Therefore a period modification. If you have a problem with that; and I know you have asked me and I have explained this in the past; please take it up with the Rally Commission Chairman

[RogerH]

There are probably quite a few cars out there with COD's that maybe should never had got them. Of course; you try to limit the mistakes.
However the car you refer to (and I think Carlo was in on the discussion at the time) had an owner that provided written material such as magazine articles to show that in 1982 the Mark 2 Escort was tested with the engine that ended up in the Sierra Cosworth. Therefore a period modification. If you have a problem with that; and I know you have asked me and I have explained this in the past; please take it up with the Rally Commission Chairman

Under T&C regulations you can get approval if you comply with the fundamental T&C requirements and can supply documentary evidence that the "modification" concerned was used or available in period. It sometimes takes a lot of research but it is surprising what happened to various cars in period. The catch is that you need to comply with the basic T&C rules first.

[crunch]

Under T&C regulations you can get approval if you comply with the fundamental T&C requirements and can supply documentary evidence that the "modification" concerned was used or available in period. It sometimes takes a lot of research but it is surprising what happened to various cars in period. The catch is that you need to comply with the basic T&C rules first.

This particular car was Schedule RH, but the same philosophy applies.

[crunch]

Back to repowering of classic cars,
What would be good lines-in-the-sand if this is to go further.
For instance Ray mentions he thinks his car is a classic, not an old clubcar. I am not disagreeing (or agreeing).How can we define the difference? I hasten to add I am not picking on anyone, it's jus that Ray's comment got me thinking.

Someone used the example of a rotary powered Austin could be possible, but I'm sure all sane thinkers amoungst us cringe at that thought, so how could this be quantified?

Already a lot of aspects of H&C motorsport are subjective, and traditionally may always have been. This unfortunately causes blurred lines.
Interesting eh?

[Bruce Sollitt]

There are probably quite a few cars out there with COD's that maybe should never had got them. Of course; you try to limit the mistakes.

The question, Crunch, was quite straight forward ... and relevant ... and nothing to do with the Rally Commission Chairman. Historic & Classic rally cars are COD'd against Schedule RH which is your purview.

A "period modification" as defined in RH requires manufacturers homologation. This was not the case with the YB powered Escort and the COD was incorrectly issued. We have all accepted that the mistake was made, the car exists and that is history.

The question remains whether that has set precedent for future applications and whether that precedent is limited to exact replications of this particular COD or other makes and models similarly modified.

I have particular interest in the answer as I am presently looking to import a car for the 2014 Silver Fern. Given your revelation, that there may be "quite a few cars with COD's that should never have got them", others may be similarly interested in the answer.

[RogerH]

The question, Crunch, was quite straight forward ... and relevant ... and nothing to do with the Rally Commission Chairman. Historic & Classic rally cars are COD'd against Schedule RH which is your purview.

A "period modification" as defined in RH requires manufacturers homologation. This was not the case with the YB powered Escort and the COD was incorrectly issued. We have all accepted that the mistake was made, the car exists and that is history.

The question remains whether that has set precedent for future applications and whether that precedent is limited to exact replications of this particular COD or other makes and models similarly modified.

I have particular interest in the answer as I am presently looking to import a car for the 2014 Silver Fern. Given your revelation, that there may be "quite a few cars with COD's that should never have got them", others may be similarly interested in the answer.

Although I am not conversant with this particular car, I think I read in an earlier post by Crunch that indicated that the owner had come up with documentation that an Escort ran with this engine/head in period. If this documentation was incorrect then the basis on which the COD was issued was also incorrect and I would have thought the COD could be accordingly withdrawn. You certainly don't want to perpetuate something that is not correct.