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    V - non British

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    W - Wolseley

    Would a 1300cc Wolseley Hornet (or Riley Elf), on twin 1.5" twin carbs carbs get a CoD
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    It is important that if you head to the museum at Gaydon, that you don't overlook the overflow building, (included in your admission fee) as I suspect many of you would spend more time in there than in the main display.
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    Whoops! (Many in my whoopsies file are of ERC cars that I won't publish for obvious reasons.)

    This is why the old plastic holders for fire extinguishers are deemed unsafe, as you can see here where the extinguisher, complete with bracket, became a missile within the car and damaged the driver after a Pukekohe crash.

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    The new short wheelbase prototype, possibly with 4 wheel steering.
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    It says wheelie bin but looks as though another set of wheels might have been useful. Vehicle also stops often.
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    Racing Ray Williams has the first hairpin at Leadfoot named after him...
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    Couple of cans of spray paint and she'll be as good as new. No idea what happened here as I don't think any other vehicle was involved.
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    A few from Smales Farm over the last few months. This really is a an absolute jewel in the local car scene, and despite running at Hampton Downs on the same day, the popularity is booming.

    From Italy

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    From the rear

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    A mix

    Good to see that some of the iconic transporters have survived and have now become classics in their own right.
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    up early this morning ERC? must be the weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 928 View Post
    up early this morning ERC? must be the weather.
    928 - Yes he is, and the weather was good when he took the photos of the Hillman and the Sierra pair at Caffeine and Classics October 2020.. Was there too and we had a chat, as was Kevin Hirst A95, Geebeez - Graeme Banks Mazda MX5 no 107 and John B - John Bennoch Mercedes 350SL ..
    Weather good in the bay today as well ..

    That Hillman ..
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    My photo dates are out 24 Oct, should be 25 Oct like ERC's .. the camera needs adjusting !!
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    Good question Ray.......
    One that I will ask for a ruling on.....
    My Elf has proven race history at National level with Cooper S running gear so it most likely would get a Schedule K but I am luck as I have all the proof of documentation.

    Cheers

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    Yes, up early as the block layers were working on a wall at just after 7am so I had to be up.

    It's an interesting one Bruce, and where I fell out with the system. The Riley Elf and Wolseley Hornet never came out with anything other than a 998cc, single carb engine as you well know. Transplanting a period 1275cc or even a 1320cc Cooper S engine is a straight swap, and no doubt was done in period.

    The local system is such that it is OK to stuff a V8 Ford engine into a Capri and call it a Perana or a Twin Cam engine into a Cortina, or even a Ford V8 into an Escort because it WAS done in period.

    The Late Jim's Wolseley 1500 ran a 1950cc crossflow head as it was a modification that COULD have been done in period, but to the best of my knowledge, only ever raced in period with a 1500cc (+rebore) but not the 1800cc MGB engines.

    Equally, you can construct a single seater out of period bits and call it a special and it is accepted.

    However. you can't build a saloon out of period bits and call it a special. It is an anomaly as it COULD have been done in period. Yet we have people sticking 700bhp engines into cars that never had anywhere near that sort of horsepower in period.

    Funny old world.
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    Very impressed with the interior of this this new Fraser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ERC View Post
    Yes, up early as the block layers were working on a wall at just after 7am so I had to be up.

    It's an interesting one Bruce, and where I fell out with the system. The Riley Elf and Wolseley Hornet never came out with anything other than a 998cc, single carb engine as you well know. Transplanting a period 1275cc or even a 1320cc Cooper S engine is a straight swap, and no doubt was done in period.

    The local system is such that it is OK to stuff a V8 Ford engine into a Capri and call it a Perana or a Twin Cam engine into a Cortina, or even a Ford V8 into an Escort because it WAS done in period.

    The Late Jim's Wolseley 1500 ran a 1950cc crossflow head as it was a modification that COULD have been done in period, but to the best of my knowledge, only ever raced in period with a 1500cc (+rebore) but not the 1800cc MGB engines.

    Equally, you can construct a single seater out of period bits and call it a special and it is accepted.

    However. you can't build a saloon out of period bits and call it a special. It is an anomaly as it COULD have been done in period. Yet we have people sticking 700bhp engines into cars that never had anywhere near that sort of horsepower in period.

    Funny old world.
    I actual have had the privilege to view Jim’s COD and it would be one of the most complete COD’s I have witnessed with all details given as it should be.
    He built the car in 1974 and it states that it was to replicate the period of Allcomers from the mid 60’s.
    I know there is a lot of scepticism re the COD for this car considering Jim was a member of the then Commission....
    However he does use “period” parts in the build of the car including the Derrington Head which near on a 1000 were cast in the mid to late 50’s for use on the B series engine.
    I am personally glad the car still survives and is owned by an enthusiast who I know will keep it as it was.

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    The real joy of Caffeine and Classics is that every month, there are cars/vehicles I haven't seen before.

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    I went along to the MGCC Autocross Sunday, Colin Dale Motorsport Park. Start time was moved later as bad weather was expected earlier. That may have put people off and combined with the road works on 20b, making access difficult, not many entrants, but interesting to note that the grass was so long, the ground so firm, that for the time I was there, they never got through the grass to any dirt!

    Club Captain, Paul Walbran laying out the course in 'Joseph', possibly one of the most famous MG's in the country, and the last 'B' to compete in a World rally Championship.

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    Den Williams has swapped the 8 MG 8 plates from the Maestro Turbo (which he still has), to this one.
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    I guess my 1962 Austin Mini Cooper would look out of place amongst some of these Minis (or part Mini) at Caffeine and Classics gatherings.
    To prove mine has not been thrashed or done too many hand-brake turns, it still has the original rear brake drums after 58 years !
    (Note the date in raised numbers. (19-1- 62) The car was assembled in Feb. 1962. (A bit rusty like the owner.)
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    970, 997, 998, 1071, 1275 or 1293 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allan View Post
    970, 997, 998, 1071, 1275 or 1293 ?
    Allan, many forget the " 1071 " Cooper S, used when there was a 0 - 1100cc class - the " 970 " for 0-1000, and big motors for the 1001- 1300 class..
    997 and 998 were of course Cooper, not Cooper S.

    My good friend, the late Nell Holdstock / Donaldson had a 997 long stroke Cooper, from memory also a 1962 model, here in NZ,as well as her 1961/62 Austin Healey 3000 Tri-carb which she brought from Canada in the 1980's - Healey is still here, Unsure what happened to the Cooper.

    Here is Nell, with BMC BOY, looking at the Cooper Formula Junior single seater that Nell owned but sold to Ross BMC BOY many years ago, It is being rebuilt/restored. The Historic Formula Junior recently did a Garage Crawl looking at projects under way.

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    Spent some time with Nell when flag marshalling, probably Whenuapai and Pukekohe. Lovely lady.

    Ken, the joy of Caffeine and Classics is that there is zero snobbery. The mix, as you may have gathered from the many pics published on this site, varies from the pure to the outright bonkers, rare or one offs, to common.

    European, American, Japanese, commercials, motorbikes, even Karts. It is exactly what it appears to be. A monthly meeting place for car enthusiasts. Your car would be very welcome and the Mini turnout also covers the mint and original, to the bonkers! (See #3665)

    Just for a change, a run of replicas - some almost impossible to tell they are replicas and others are loosely based on another car. This also covers re-creations. (Recreations?) I failed English at school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allan View Post
    970, 997, 998, 1071, 1275 or 1293 ?
    Allan,
    In 1962 the 997 cc engine was the only version in Mini Coopers.
    Then other sizes came later. The 1071 and 998 in 1963. The 970 and 1275 in 1964.

    My car now has a 1986 998 cc engine with a gearbox that goes into 1st while still moving and brake pads that are bigger than a
    matchbox ! Also it has a different paint scheme from Tartan Red / Black to Audi Racing Green / White.

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