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June 2023. A slight title change. This thread has now been running for over 11 years and from an initial 'occasional post', this has morphed into a 'most days post', covering pics from the late 1930's (Dad's) to the present day, UK, the USA and NZ. Unless stated otherwise, all pics are from my own library and subject to copyright, if reproduced elsewhere.
I am very slowly scanning slides and negatives from an extensive collection of my own, but as my late father was a photographer, there are 100's of rolls of his film that are not motoring related to deal with too. I'll post occasional pics of interest in no particular order and the uncorrected quality does vary...
I love cars that show a bit of individuality. Greg Lancaster's Volvo is typical. May not have been a winner against the big V8s, but great to see.
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And how about this Morris Marina? Does it still exist? Run?
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Yes, it is running again - see post #1453
kiwi285
11-02-2012, 09:54 PM
I'm with you. It is great to see a field of big V8's but most are Mustangs or Camaros. It is great to see somethign else in there that we wouldn't ordinarily see. I guess that's why the Francevic Volvo was such a great car and it went like stink.
Another car I thought I only saw once - until I went through 400 rolls of film (late November 2013)...
Then it appeared on Bob Homewood's page...;
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One of my all time favourite car/driver combinations. Dr Rodger was a very early user of in car telemetry and although I used to see him in the staff tea room at the ATI, sadly, I never plucked up the courage to approach him. Standing on the inside of the Pukekohe hairpin, without a doubt, at that time (1989), that was the fastest car through the hairpin, bar none, including single seaters.
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Not sure who is actually in the car (often the case with two driver combinations) but a good one for the collection anyway.
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500cc formula 3 cars were extremely popular when I first started spectating and this is the Arnott at Whenuapai. Oh how we miss those great meetings...
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Anyone who understands the problems older photographers faced may appreciate this, one of Dad's pics.
Taken on glass, the photographer would be severely limited as to the number of slides he could carry, before having to return to the darkroom to reload. At this 1939 Donington meeting, when Dad was a photographer for the Nottingham Evening News, I would imagine that he could well have been limited to just 12 slides for the day. Can you imagine that?
When many of us will now take 1,000 digital pics in a day - and think nothing of it, being limited to just 12 pics, with no auto focus, no range finder, no exposure meter and a cumbersome plate camera, has to mean a great deal of respect for professional photographers.
I grew up thumbing through Dad's prints (and his books) and longed for the day Donington may reopen. Little did I know as a child, that in 1977, I would be on the board of the Nottingham Sports Car Club when car racing at Donington returned.
No prizes for recognising the driver either. This is ERA 12c.
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I didn't know until very recently that in 1950, Gamston (near Retford, Nottinghamshire), was in contention for the British Grand Prix, but lost out to Silverstone. Both were airfield circuits and I think there now are one or two (rather poor) YouTube videos of the track.
ERA again - Dad's favourite car, but by this time, I think he had graduated to a roll film camera, probably that trusty Leica that I was using a decade later. This time, he wasn't a press photographer.
Note: Three years after posting this, I found out that this wasn't Gamston in 1951 at all, but 1948 Silverstone! This is John Bolster in "Remus".
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Oldfart
11-03-2012, 12:45 AM
Very cool shots. It's a shame that you didn't get to speeak with Rodger Freeth, he was a most approachable guy. He gave many talks at car clubs and was probably the best speaker I have ever had the pleasure to listen to. Humourous, erudite and unbelievably informative. The talk on how they got suspension info out of the Starlet was just fascinating. A very sad loss to the motoring world in many ways.
seaqnmac27
11-03-2012, 02:37 AM
And how about this Morris Marina? Does it still exist? Run?
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Graham Park I think it was, its mentioned in the Lost Cars thread, ran with tinted windows and I think from memory on that thread it was burnt out at Baypark?
Steve Holmes
11-03-2012, 03:33 AM
Wow, these are amazing! I'm really excited about this thread, thanks Ray. Keep 'em coming.
seaqnmac27
11-03-2012, 03:46 AM
Actually looking at it closer, something Caulton?
Actually looking at it closer, something Caulton?
Sorry? Don't really understand!
Yes, Graham Park was the driver.
seaqnmac27
11-03-2012, 03:56 AM
No, he may have been at one stage I think if you read the door it says, John Caulton or Coulton.
jim short
11-03-2012, 04:59 AM
Caulton in 87 made up NI team Willis Mossman Homewood Short and Caulton
Rod Grimwood
11-04-2012, 12:10 AM
Yep, John Caulton, car was lost in fire in Hastings I think.
Parksy was original brave man, and quick.
Rod Hemmings well used TVR V6, spewing out some fuel from the filler cap.
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Paul Halford's Autosud. Great to see more of these rarer front engined Juniors being imported.
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Formula Junior's again. A rather well known Lola in front...
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Chris Atkinson's very quick Lotus
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Some Brit cars may not have had a great local reputation, but at least some hardy souls are willling to take the more difficult route for our pleasure.
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Howard's very impressive BMW was going very well
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Todd Forsyth survived a scary 360 degree practice spin on the front straight in the MG V8, flatting 2 rear tyres. This ex GT Series car, previously driven by Dad, Paul Forsyth, now needs to be brought into line with our own series rules by the addition of front lights.
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Although not an ERC round, all four of these cars are regulars and show the variety we try to encourage.
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Three ERC Cars. One older car - older driver; one older driver - new car: one older car - new driver...
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For those not familiar with Hampton Downs, all pics were taken from the spectator enclosures, which is what makes this track a favourite with amateur and professional photographers alike - decent views of the track from several vantage points.
bry3500
11-04-2012, 08:32 AM
500cc formula 3 cars were extremely popular when I first started spectating and this is the Arnott at Whenuapai. Oh how we miss those great meetings...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smX573GWalA
bry3500
11-04-2012, 08:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxjZUM0EWxg
Hey, that's me above!!!! (Yellow Marcos car 31)... Thanks for that.
Mallory Park August 6th 1956 - note the three wheeler in the background. Dad's pics again.
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The Felday BRM 4WD 1800cc V8. Driver unknown. Prescott Hillclimb
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Lotus Bristol at Brands Hatch 1971. Note how classic racers present their cars so well these days and just how tatty they often looked in period? (See Mallory pic above.)
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We used to have three or four Daimlers out on the tracks and they now seem to be worth too much to risk racing - or maybe fitting roll over safety equipment just destroys their real worth.
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Post 2004 Goodwood pics taken with a pocket camera...
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The Cooper Bristol in my humble opinion, is one of the best single seaters of all time to photograph.
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The Tec Mec Maserati, ex Donington Collection. Sad that so many of the unique Donington Collection cars are no longer there. Monaco 2012.
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Steve Holmes
11-05-2012, 04:45 AM
Just fantastic! I especially love the old Mallory Park shots. Whats the pretty blue mid-engined sports car #131 in post 23?
Michael Clark
11-05-2012, 04:57 AM
I wonder if the Felday 4wd is the answer.
Steve Holmes
11-05-2012, 05:02 AM
Thanks Michael, I think you could well be right. I'd love to know more about this. Not often you see a 4wd with engine in the rear.
Yes. The Felday BRM at Prescott May 3rd 1970. Without resorting to race programmes and going entirely on memory, it was usually driven by Mac Daghorn and possibly, Peter Westbury.
One of them had a beard - and the driver here is clean shaven! I think it was fitted with an 1800cc litre BRM V8, possibly an ex Tasman engine? I seem to remember it also appearing at a Curborough Sprint and also one of the Silverstone winter sprints.
PS: I have just dug out the programme and guess what? Must have been a late entry so was not listed in the programme! Will have to do a bit of googling I suppose.
Peter Westbury owned Felday engineering. The car was also driven in 1968 by John McCartney and I also remember John running no less than a F1 BRM V12 at Curborough! (Still in Marlboro livery.)
That 900 yard sprint course was extremely tricky to get right in any car. Most spectacular were Dave Preece in a DB4 or DB5 Aston Martin and the guys who shared a Morris Minor fitted with a supercharged 3.8 Jaguar engine... My other favourite was the late Alan Payne driving a Riley 1.5 with a Rover V8 engine "SMILEY Riley". The engine was later fitted to a Brabham and had a Nitrous Oxide kit fitted. Whoohoo!
RogerH
11-05-2012, 06:06 AM
Great photos Ray - especially your Dad's ones.
Oldfart
11-05-2012, 07:00 AM
Curborough sprint! That must have been exciting. I have just seen some footage from an event there this year. To say narrow is an understatement, lift off oversteer put no 1 son on the grass in a fairly big way!
seaqnmac27
11-05-2012, 07:18 AM
Hey, that's me above!!!! (Yellow Marcos car 31)... Thanks for that.
Mallory Park August 6th 1956 - note the three wheeler in the background. Dad's pics again.
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Is it just me or does the "3 wheeler" look a bit like a GP Lago Talbot
Is it just me or does the "3 wheeler" look a bit like a GP Lago Talbot
Sorry, no, but it was a British special and someone did once tell me what it was. If I find out, I'll label it!
(Apparently identified as Ken Flint's ERA Jaguar.) This was August 1956 and strangely, one of the few early Mallory programmes missing from my collection. Unlike today's safety car environment, I think from memory (I was only 10!), it stayed there for the rest of the day. I note the oil drums on the exit to Shaws - filled with aggregate.
Happy days...
NOTE: If you hover your mouse over the images, it should show the exact date.
198 = 1988, 204 = 2004 etc.
Followed by month and day so 184_1216 is December 16th 1984 - which is why I need exact dates before I can file images permanently.
Michael Clark
11-05-2012, 10:07 AM
Yes. The Felday BRM at Prescott May 3rd 1970. Without resorting to race programmes and going entirely on memory, it was usually driven by Mac Daghorn and possibly, Peter Westbury.
One of them had a beard - and the driver here is clean shaven! I think it was fitted with an 1800cc litre BRM V8, possibly an ex Tasman engine? I seem to remember it also appearing at a Curborough Sprint and also one of the Silverstone winter sprints.
PS: I have just dug out the programme and guess what? Must have been a late entry so was not listed in the programme! Will have to do a bit of googling I suppose.
Peter Westbury owned Felday engineering. The car was also driven in 1968 by John McCartney and I also remember John running no less than a F1 BRM V12 at Curborough! (Still in Marlborough livery.)
That 900 yard sprint course was extremely tricky to get right in any car. Most spectacular were Dave Preece in a DB4 or DB5 Aston Martin and the guys who shared a Morris Minor fitted with a supercharged 3.8 Jaguar engine... My other favourite was the late Alan Payne driving a Riley 1.5 with a Rover V8 engine "SMILEY Riley". The engine was later fitted to a Brabham and had a Nitrous Oxide kit fitted. Whoohoo!
Westbury had a beard - he may still. I seem to recall Jim Clark once tested the Felday.
Ian Sievwright's Ferrari 625 at Shelsey Walsh August 1965. Notable for my pics of that day taken on an ancient camera - using 30 year old film!!!
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How formula 1 cars changed. I think this is the F1 Emeryson followed just a few years later by the late Tony Brise demonstrating the Hill car.
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The Ian Algie GTV blew me away when I first came to NZ. Now safely in the hands of Gordon Burr so we have seen it out at Hampton Downs. I hope some of the other wilder cars are seen out again.
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The Ian Algie GTV blew me away when I first came to NZ. Now safely in the hands of Gordon Burr so we have seen it out at Hampton Downs. I hope some of the other wilder cars are seen out again.
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I was probably standing a few feet behind you at about the time you took this pic of Ian Algie's GTV, very cool car. Clever boys, those Algie lads.
And I agree with Oldfart in post #9, Dr Rog was a good guy to have a talk to.
jim short
11-07-2012, 12:49 AM
This would be my pick of all the sports sedans on the down side took ages to warm it up to race ,note the small wheels
Steve Holmes
11-07-2012, 01:52 AM
I'm really enjoying these Ray, just fantastic! That shot of the Algie Alfetta is brilliant. Those pieces of wood being used as a ramp look slightly perilous.
I have a copy of an old NZ Hot Rod magazine article on this car from 1984. It looked very similar to our photo, so I assume you snapped this at around the same time?
As Jim said, note the small wheels. The Minilites on this car measured 13 x 10, and 13 x 13.
[QUOTE=Steve Holmes;20127]I'm really enjoying these Ray, just fantastic! That shot of the Algie Alfetta is brilliant. Those pieces of wood being used as a ramp look slightly perilous.
Yikes - look how young Barry is, standing next to the car!!!
The ramps were dodgy alright - probably the same ones i saw collapse as they unloaded Barry's Monaro off the Ford/Dodge transporter about 5 years later !
Paul Leuch in the Connaught. Loved that car... Paul also drove other desirable cars, some of which might appear here, some may not. Whenuapai 1986.
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On a trip back to the UK to a Nottingham Sports Car Club Sprint, it was gratifying to see the club in such good health, having lost out to various circuit clubs over the years, so that racing was no longer viable. I took over as Competition Secretary (and newsletter editor!) some time before I left the UK and managed to build up the sprint side from just me competing regularly, to a very successful well supported Sprint Championship, that often ran concurrently with AMMC (Association of Midland Motor Clubs). At the 2004 Sprint, they had a great turnout of Austin Sevens and also Ginettas.
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One of my all time favourite NZ photographs. Nigel Russell at Taupo.
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Famous car and well known writer/owner, Simon Taylor. The HWM based Stovebolt Special.
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The ERA being given a run for its money by the Parnell MG at Monaco, 2012. If the McLaren Trust group had sat in their allocated seats, on the front row and immediately behind the dratted catch fencing, I wouldn't have managed many decent pics at all. Fortunately, they got there early and bagged the top row of the stand - and that meant standing on the seating, facing backwards!
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Steve Holmes
11-07-2012, 08:34 PM
Simon Taylor had been lusting after the Stovebolt Special all his life since he was at school, and finally convinced owner Murray Smith to sell it to him in 2000. I absolutely love the car.
Peter and Maggie Blankstone's GT40 at Prescott Hillclimb.
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Willie Green in the GP Delage at the reopening of Donington May 28th 1977. Yes, the sun does shine in the UK now and again...
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There is a very tenuous NZ connnection here. Curborough sprint course and Arthur Nash in the 1293cc Turner. Arthur is I think a distant relative of one Walter Nash. Arthur also built the 1293cc Mini engine I have under my work bench.
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For Austin Healey fans.
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As I was flagging at this event, I didn't get a programme so can anyone please supply a date? Richard Pilkington's glorious Lago-Talbot or is it Talbot-Lago...
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seaqnmac27
11-10-2012, 01:22 AM
For Austin Healey fans.
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From the 2011 Australian GP
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Milan Fistonic
11-10-2012, 09:24 AM
As I was flagging at this event, I didn't get a programme so can anyone please supply a date? Clive Pilkington's glorious Lago-Talbot or is it Talbot-Lago...
He's Richard Pilkington in the programme and the car is a Talbot Lago.
The Pukekohe meeting was held on February 1, 1987.
David McKinney
11-10-2012, 01:15 PM
He's Richard Pilkington in the programme and the car is a Talbot Lago.
Yes, recognisably Richard Pilkington
Lago-Talbot is a common (though incorrect) description. Guess it just sounds better (like D-type Jaguar or 250F Maserati)
Thanks for the above - both posts. Milan, that helps me a great deal as I managed several pics that day as they have been sitting in a folder "TBD" (to be dated), for far too long.
Nice pics of the Healey now in Australia. Amazing how these cars pop up so far from home!
Another of Dad's of course. The wonderfully named Bluebelle Gibbs, with her HRG. Husband Len was also a keen racer.
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Paul Leuch in his Lister Jaguar - Pukekohe before ripple strips replaced the earth bank. Was this car destroyed by fire in East Tamaki or was it rescued and shipped off to the UK? 13470
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This was Lotus state of the art motorhome at the time. Fortunately it has now gone to a good home on the south coast of England and it is in very original condition, being sympathetically restored -and used. Compared to today's luxury F1 motorhomes, it is surprisingly basic.
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This was taken at a Silverstone test session, probably 1976, but I am really not sure, as I do have a pic taken in 1977 at the British F1 GP, so it might even be early 1977. Accurately dating pics from sessions like this is almost impossible as I wasn't keeping a diary from 1970 to 1990!
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There was a very successful MGA (and also an MG T series) championship running in the late 1970s and although I know this is Cadwell Park, Lincolnshire, once again, no date.
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Nicky Ellis in the very successful Cowgate sponsored Lotus Elan. The stars on the side reflect the race wins. Apparently this very potent car was eventually shipped to the USA.
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A more recent pic (2012). This very rare Q type MG is undergoing a full restoration in Sydney. The quality of the restoration, in what is effectively a private workshop, is just stunning. The figures spoken of the cost of purchase and the cost of restoration (for a paying customer) made my eyes water...
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Shame they don't have the (noisy) racers any more...
Barrie
11-11-2012, 04:54 AM
I remember seeing that green D-Type OKV 3 at Manfeild. It was magnificent - a reminder of the days when Angus Hyslop used to drive his white one from the Hawkes Bay to Levin, race it and then drive home again.
Oldfart
11-11-2012, 06:34 AM
Hey come on ERC surely Oldfart could have a photo? You would have had plenty of time!
Hey come on ERC surely Oldfart could have a photo? You would have had plenty of time!
If I understood the post and the meaning, maybe you could!!!
Oldfart
11-11-2012, 07:10 AM
If I understood the post and the meaning, maybe you could!!!
Sorry, Oldfart was competing, #91 (and slow)
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Happy now?!!! I do have another that shows you sans helmet, but thought I'd better respect your privacy, ditto #7.
Oldfart
11-11-2012, 08:12 AM
Thanks I sincerely appreciate it!
Oldfart
11-11-2012, 08:37 AM
PM sent ERC
David McKinney
11-11-2012, 01:03 PM
...a reminder of the days when Angus Hyslop used to drive his white one from the Hawkes Bay to Levin, race it and then drive home again.
And much further - he even drove it to the South Island circuits, usually with mechanic Bill Hanna squashed into the passenger seat. I think all the car's owners drove it to circuits - certainly Simon Taylor (next owner after Hyslop) did
David McKinney
11-11-2012, 01:06 PM
Paul Leuch in his Lister Jaguar - Pukekohe before ripple strips replaced the earth bank. Was this car destroyed by fire in East Tamaki or was it rescued and shipped off to the UK? 13470
It can't have been as badly damaged as reported, becuase PL raced it again a year or two later. And yes, it's now back in the UK
jim short
11-11-2012, 09:43 PM
I am shure Dave will tell us about just how bad it was along with the toothpaste car when he recovers from his trip to Canada, I think it was close to a write off ,he may explane how its a replicar as well!!
David McKinney
11-11-2012, 09:52 PM
I don't know how badly damaged either car was. They were reportedly destroyed in the fire, but the Lister seems to have been rebuilt in NZ. The Connaught was salvable, apart from the body. The streamliner bodywork which Paul sometimes used was somewhere else, so undamaged, and the car was rebuilt in England with that body. I was told by the owner that he was going to have it racing in 2012, but it didn't happen
(Or were you referring to Dave Silcock?)
I just love cars from the front engined era. They all looked different and had heaps of character. They make a far better pic than any of today's today's single seaters and these days they are presented so superbly. Donington, possibly 1979 - Connaught of course...
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Part of the brilliant Connaught display at the Goodwood Festival of Speed.
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Tony Vandervell's Thinwall Special - Donington Museum. Acquired because Vandervell had lost patience with the BRM V16. I think a lot of people have lost patience with the V16 as even Nick Mason has passed his on to Bernie Ecclestone. Bernie must have the most amazing collection of race cars anywhere, but as far as I am aware, it is definitely not open to the public.
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I don't care how flawed it was/is, it still has a magic that no other car could possibly generate. Today's rice burner buyers couldn't possibly comprehend 500bhp from 1500cc, 60 years ago...
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Sadly, these icons occasionally get dinged but we are so grateful that the owners even allow them into the public arena at all.
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jim short
11-11-2012, 11:28 PM
I don't know how badly damaged either car was. They were reportedly destroyed in the fire, but the Lister seems to have been rebuilt in NZ. The Connaught was salvable, apart from the body. The streamliner bodywork which Paul sometimes used was somewhere else, so undamaged, and the car was rebuilt in England with that body. I was told by the owner that he was going to have it racing in 2012, but it didn't happen
(Or were you referring to Dave Silcock?)
Dave Silcock picked up the remains and rebuilt Lister I think they saved chassis plate for Connaught then I may be out a little
And we have complained about the paddock at Pukekohe??? Mallory Park 1970 Yes, I do have a penchant for British fibreglass cars... Note that all the other cars in the paddock were British in those days!
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* May 2014 - I have just found that this pic has been used in an advertisement for Str8six, TVR specialists in the UK, both in print (Octane 125) and on their website...
* January 2017, also found out that it was used on the cover of a UK TVR magazine! Now in touch with the new owner.
Ginetta G4 behind but the rarer G21 in front. How many saw the Brit TV crime series episode (New Tricks) where Dennis Waterman raved over a crashed maroon G21, which was integral to the story?
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First time I had seen this car - Elva Courier coupe. We saw plenty of Couriers racing in period, but not the GT. (There was a Courier for sale locally within the last couple of years.)
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My all time favourite GT car. Only 99 built and I think I have pics of about 4 or 5 of them (two were here in the Goodwood car park, September 2009), including the blue NZ one at Ellerslie a few years back, on non-original Minilites. Note the Austin Healey 100S in the background. I think there were 5 there.
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Connaught again - Monaco 2012.
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RogerH
11-12-2012, 01:29 AM
My all time favourite GT car. Only 99 built and I think I have pics of about 4 or 5 of them (two were here in the Goodwood car park, September 2009), including the blue NZ one at Ellerslie a few years back, on non-original Minilites. Note the Austin Healey 100S in the background. I think there were 5 there.
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I was lucky enough to have a drive of a Gordon-Keeble a few years back - a blast up the North Western motorway. It was the ex- Sir Robertson Stewart (of PDL fame) car that he had bought new from the UK. It had slightly flared guards and Minilites that were evidently from one of the early PDL Mustangs. A lovely car but from memory a very difficult to operate handbrake tucked down the side of the passenger seat. I think they had some inherent front suspension and steering issues but there was a UK expert (Ernie Potts?) who sorted these out and sold remedial kits.
Howard Wood
11-12-2012, 02:14 AM
[QUOTE=ERC;20292]This was taken at a Silverstone test session, probably 1976, but I am really not sure, as I do have a pic taken in 1977 at the British F1 GP, so it might even be early 1977. Accurately dating pics from sessions like this is almost impossible as I wasn't keeping a diary from 1970 to 1990!
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If I have done this right, only the photo of the 1976 DeCadenet Lola based Le Mans car will remain!
Photo is us testing various bodywork variations before the 1976 Le Mans race which is of course in June, so the photo will date from around April or May 1976. The final bodywork for that year was the long tail/ short nose variation with the wing mounted much lower than shown but incorporating those high cockpit sides.
Frankly the car was a bit of a pig but after all but one (the winning one) works Martini Porsches failing, all the works Renaults burning pistons and with our DFV engined car stopping only for scheduled stops (and going twice the distance between fuel stops than the turbos) we bought the old girl in 3rd overall in 1976.
Thanks so much Howard. Even if I take a pot at the month, at least the year is correct, which I suppose is the critical thing for my filing system. Bearing in mind the year, I think I would probably have been between home and Heathrow, where I would have been chauffeuring one of my bosses, so my transport could have been a 1968 Rolls Silver Shadow, a 1970 Daimler Sovereign or their favourite car to be driven in, an old Austin 1800 (landcrab), bought cheaply at auction!
It was the ex- Sir Robertson Stewart (of PDL fame) car that he had bought new from the UK. It had slightly flared guards and Minilites that were evidently from one of the early PDL Mustangs. A lovely car but from memory a very difficult to operate handbrake tucked down the side of the passenger seat.
That is the car that was at Ellerslie Roger. It was for sale at a place just behind the Vic market and I remember going in to see it and from memory, it wasn't a bad price. (Out of my price range though.) I do remember asking if the original wheels were available, but the salesman didn't know. I think it is probably one of the few cars that look far worse with Minillites than better.
I do have a B & W publicity shot of the interior that Dad's company did. Quite why they were involved, I really don't know.
Steve Holmes
11-12-2012, 09:54 PM
These are just amazing photos Ray, keep them coming, I'm really enjoying them. The earlier GT40 shot alone was just brilliant. I love the DeCadenet test photo.
Steve Holmes
11-12-2012, 09:56 PM
[QUOTE=ERC;20292]This was taken at a Silverstone test session, probably 1976, but I am really not sure, as I do have a pic taken in 1977 at the British F1 GP, so it might even be early 1977. Accurately dating pics from sessions like this is almost impossible as I wasn't keeping a diary from 1970 to 1990!
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If I have done this right, only the photo of the 1976 DeCadenet Lola based Le Mans car will remain!
Photo is us testing various bodywork variations before the 1976 Le Mans race which is of course in June, so the photo will date from around April or May 1976. The final bodywork for that year was the long tail/ short nose variation with the wing mounted much lower than shown but incorporating those high cockpit sides.
Frankly the car was a bit of a pig but after all but one (the winning one) works Martini Porsches failing, all the works Renaults burning pistons and with our DFV engined car stopping only for scheduled stops (and going twice the distance between fuel stops than the turbos) we bought the old girl in 3rd overall in 1976.
Howard, what was the handling like on this car? Its very chunky looking, with quite a blunt nose. But my limited understanding of aerodynamics suggests this should give it quite good downforce at the front?
Steve Holmes
11-12-2012, 09:59 PM
And we have complained about the paddock at Pukekohe??? Mallory Park 1970 Yes, I do have a penchant for British fibreglass cars... Note that all the other cars in the paddock were British in those days!
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For several years I was a huge enthusiasts of early TVRs. This looks like a Vixen? Its pretty staunch looking with its flared guards and wide wheels, I love it.
Howard Wood
11-13-2012, 12:02 AM
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Howard, what was the handling like on this car? Its very chunky looking, with quite a blunt nose. But my limited understanding of aerodynamics suggests this should give it quite good downforce at the front?
Enduro racing back then was different, outright pace was less important and there was a huge difference between qualifying pace and race pace. During the race we had a target number of laps per hour and pretty much ignored what the works teams were doing, not that we could do much anyway. The limiting factor for the turbo cars were the regulations covering fuel tank size and no fuel stops in the first 20 minutes which effectively prevented them having the wick turned up too far in race mode. Even so one of the Martini Porsche works cars ran out of fuel out on the track after 19 minutes so that was one down! No safety car to get the thing back to the pits then.
So the answer to your question is the handling was pretty poor, the car really was maximized to get down the Mulsanne as fast as possible and be simple, strong and robust enough to run at a constant pace for the whole 24 hours. Real Tortoise and the Hare stuff.
The '77 car which John and I built and was a new design only using some Lola components like uprights etc was a much better car all round and in fact won an endurance race at Silverston later in its career whereas this car's lap times anywhere other than Le Mans were real slow. Incidentally that short nose was all the rage at the time but the '77 car had a much longer nose, long tail and the wing lower than the engine cover and was much better through the air with no reduction in downforce.
ps.
Exactly as displayed in your next photo Ray, this is indeed the '77 car, compare the nose profile with the '76 car and the rear wing almost invisible behind the bodywork. We discovered in the wind tunnel that there was no reduction in downforce but a considerable reduction in drag with the wing there. Probably only the upper surface of the wing was doing any work as there would be little if any true laminar flow but lots of disturbed air tumbling off the engine cover.
Yes, a Moke, but to be fair, it was entered in the sports car class as the "Fairley Spoke", built I believe by Reg Phillips, but a very apt steed for the pilot of the day - BBC motorsport commentator Raymond Baxter, (also driven by his son that day) at Prescott, May 1971.
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Another one for Howard! Probably at the 1977 British GP - but I don't seem to have the programme for that one either.
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The Terrapin, in one of its later incarnations driven by its designer and builder , Alan Staniforth. Not sure of the date but definitely at Curborough.
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A bit of an interesting one this. Donington again with the Ginetta G21 (see later note - this should be G10) in the background and certainly after May 1977, but not too long after judging by the state of the paddock. This particular Lotus 11 GT was I believe finished off, not by Lotus, but by Rod Leach of "Nostalgia" well known for his AC Cobra's. The Ginetta G21 (G10) was also his I think, as it is in one of my pics of the opening Donington meeting, next to the Cobra.
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Steve Holmes
11-13-2012, 04:44 AM
Ray, I'm no expert on Ginetta's, but could that maroon #20 car in the background in your last post possibly be one of the very rare Ford V8 powered G10s?
That Lotus is incredible. Is the body bare aluminium?
Steve Holmes
11-13-2012, 04:50 AM
[QUOTE=Steve Holmes;20352]
Enduro racing back then was different, outright pace was less important and there was a huge difference between qualifying pace and race pace. During the race we had a target number of laps per hour and pretty much ignored what the works teams were doing, not that we could do much anyway. The limiting factor for the turbo cars were the regulations covering fuel tank size and no fuel stops in the first 20 minutes which effectively prevented them having the wick turned up too far in race mode. Even so one of the Martini Porsche works cars ran out of fuel out on the track after 19 minutes so that was one down! No safety car to get the thing back to the pits then.
So the answer to your question is the handling was pretty poor, the car really was maximized to get down the Mulsanne as fast as possible and be simple, strong and robust enough to run at a constant pace for the whole 24 hours. Real Tortoise and the Hare stuff.
The '77 car which John and I built and was a new design only using some Lola components like uprights etc was a much better car all round and in fact won an endurance race at Silverston later in its career whereas this car's lap times anywhere other than Le Mans were real slow. Incidentally that short nose was all the rage at the time but the '77 car had a much longer nose, long tail and the wing lower than the engine cover and was much better through the air with no reduction in downforce.
Thanks Howard, sorry for the stupid questions, I find this really fascinating. How did you come to create the bodywork designs and then develop them to gain the best combination of downforce and low drag? I assume there wouldn't have been any sort of wind tunnel, even though some teams had the access to wind tunnels, so how did you come to the conclusions you did on body shape? Was it a case of creating what was the most logical shape at the time based on the experience you'd gained, and what the opposition were doing? And how did you test the different designs once created? Did you ever use the cotton threads trick, or was it more seat of the pants?
Ray, I'm no expert on Ginetta's, but could that maroon #20 car in the background in your last post possibly be one of the very rare Ford V8 powered G10s?
That Lotus is incredible. Is the body bare aluminium?
Very well spotted Steve. Correct, it is the G10 Ginetta. Careless of me... The G21 doesn't have the flared guards.
Yes, the body of the 11 GT is Aluminium.
Steve Holmes
11-14-2012, 12:02 AM
Thanks Ray, that Ginetta G10 would be an incredibly rare car, apparently only 6 were ever built. They were Ginetta's answer to the popular Anglo-American sports car craze that was happening in the early 60s, led by the Cobra. The TVR Griffith and Sunbeam Tiger were other examples.
Arguably, the Ginetta was the best looking of all of them too. Several cars from that era I loved. Another was the TVR Trident. I think I have only seen two and one was at the garage of Ian Richardson of V8 Corvair Super Saloon fame - but I didn't have a camera with me at the time...
Back to NZ... Captions later. Quality is a bit variable overall in my picture posts as some of these are in glass mounted slides and really need removing to scan better, but I am wasting enough time on them as it is. The 80/20 theory holds good in my life. You get it 80% right in 20% of the time.
Not sure of the date for this one either!
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The much respected Geoff Manning's Volpini at Pukekohe.
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The Japanese invasion had started back then...
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"Skidmark" Parsons in characteristic pose at Whenuapai. once again, flagging so I didn't get a programme so not sure what year it is.
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The late Jimmy Chrystall at an MGCC Otaua Hillclimb. Coming down the hill of course... On the way up, I was timekeeping not taking pics.
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Steve Holmes
11-14-2012, 12:21 AM
I think there was only one TVR Trident built, but because TVR were in financial troubles at the time, the Trevor Fiore design was then used by a TVR dealer who set up a company called Trident and began producing the cars in very small numbers. Did they call them Trident Clippers?
Indeed they did! I presume it was a Trident Clipper I saw. Amazing what you forget over a 40 year period...
Milan Fistonic
11-14-2012, 02:12 AM
Westbury had a beard - he may still. I seem to recall Jim Clark once tested the Felday.
Jim Clark raced the Felday 4 in the Guards Trophy race at Brands Hatch on August 29 1966. He was first in class in Heat 1 and retired from Heat 2.
Felday 4 was a 4wd sports car with a BRM 2-litre V-8 engine, completed in 1965 and raced with some success by Peter Westbury, Mac Daghorn and Jim Clark.
Just as an aside (not pics), wading through a mountain of old paperwork, mainly old sprint and hillclimb results from the UK, I came across a few gems contained within old Nottingham Sports Car Club paperwork, that I rescued from the bonfire when we cleared out what had been the full time club office for many years and which I had never read before.
1) In 1970, the principal guest at the annual Dinner/Dance would be Max Mosley.
2) Full membership was 446 and associate membership was 493.
3) During the 1971 season, all entry fees (for race meetings) would be retained, but at the end of the season, those competitors who had attended 8 or more NSCC meetings (note: they were a very active club!) would receive a cheque for the return of their entry fees, (less 10/- per meeting for the benevolent fund) for all those meetings when they had started in the race(s) for which their entries had been accepted.
On a slightly different tack, back in 1959, for the 2nd August a total of 890 pounds starting money was paid, plus prize money of 678 pounds!
One Jim Clark, running the Lister Jag and the Lotus Elite was paid 75GBP start money and picked up prize money of 15GBP for 2nd (to John Whitmore) in the Series Production cars race and 25GBP for 2nd in the over 1201cc sport cars.
What is even more interesting is that top starting money of 100 was paid to Brian Naylor (Ferrari/Maserati), 60 to Tim Parnell and 50 to Ian Raby (2 cars).
Steve Holmes
11-15-2012, 12:37 AM
Wow, thats fantastic, good on you for rescuing it! All that was going to be set alight?
A pensive Tom Walkinshaw (left) when he was a driver rather than entrepreneur. Mallory Park again. Note the mechanics working outside and covered in oil! How times have changed...
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Another one off. The Coldwell GT built by a Sheffield based tuning company.
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Mini based fibreglass kit car, the Cox GTM. I know there are Mini Marcos, Min Jem and a Midas in NZ, but is there a Cox GTM? How about any of the other Mini based cars? Landar or Unipower anyone?
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Read carefully if you intend entering the paddock at Goodwood - that is assuming you have a pass to get in. They are (usually) restricted to Goodwood Racing Club members.
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If you turn up at Goodwood in a pre 1966 car, you park here. Wow! I could have spent all day in this massive field spotting cars rarely seen out. (Same field as the Gordon Keebles and Healey 100S as posted earlier.) By the way, this was taken on Friday, practice day.
Afternoon tea being taken at 3pm - on the right.
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Oldfart
11-15-2012, 03:23 AM
I don't suppose you have any of the Diva GT?
Funny you should say that. I scanned one last week but it didn't come out too well so I didn't upload it. There is a thread about Diva's on Ten Tenths at the moment -
http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135537
I do have UK race programmes with Diva's entered. Don't tell me you have one tucked away in the garage???
Oldfart
11-15-2012, 05:21 AM
No I don't, however I do know someone who drove them in anger in the time who lives in NZ
Oldfart
11-15-2012, 07:49 AM
13580Something a bit different
Howard Wood
11-15-2012, 08:55 PM
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Thanks Howard, sorry for the stupid questions, I find this really fascinating. How did you come to create the bodywork designs and then develop them to gain the best combination of downforce and low drag? I assume there wouldn't have been any sort of wind tunnel, even though some teams had the access to wind tunnels, so how did you come to the conclusions you did on body shape? Was it a case of creating what was the most logical shape at the time based on the experience you'd gained, and what the opposition were doing? And how did you test the different designs once created? Did you ever use the cotton threads trick, or was it more seat of the pants?
Although DeCad was a privateer, albeit a wealthy one, he was VERY well connected. We used the MIRA wind tunnel for the '77 car which was state of the art for the time. The car design was credited to Len Terry but in reality all I saw were a number of sketch proposals and that was pretty much the lot. The bodywork started from a profile sketch and was developed from there.
Miss Patsy Burt, McLaren, Shelsey Walsh 1965
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Looks like Jem Marsh in the ex Jackie Stewart "Ugly Duckling" Marcos at Donington. Once again, I can't date it accurately - but I wish I could.
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From the same meeting. Front engined Gemini. Probably similar to Mike Sexton's car?
13588
So will it be a modified V8 Cortina...
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or a standard MG Montego, to attract the crowds to race meetings? As a former MG Montego (2) & Montego Turbo owner, it would still be the Cortina. However, I bought the Montego Turbo with 143,000kms on the clock, ran it for a year and apart from a $5 vaccuum hose on the inlet system that failed (on the way to Taupo), it was a trouble free car and a real heap of fun!
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seaqnmac27
11-16-2012, 01:28 AM
The Cortina is Rob Kennard
RogerH
11-16-2012, 03:03 AM
From the same meeting. Front engined Gemini. Probably similar to Mike Sexton's car?
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Yes, very similar to Mike Sexton's Gemini Mk2 - but the one in the photo is in the Monaco guise with the short nose.
See works cars at Monaco 1960 - Geoff Duke next to car 98 (Brad Ward photo):
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Thanks Roger. The Chequered Flag had a showroom on Arkwright Street in Nottingham, and part of my Saturday ritual of going into town, as a young teenager, was to walk along to the Flag and peer in through the window!
The late Roger Williamson in his well known Anglia. Local boy made good, then tragically lost his life in that horrendous F1 crash.
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A wee bit better looking than the Ugly Duckling, but better presented than most.
13593
Raucous and brutal but what makes classic and historic cars more attractive than the modern counterparts - they have ATTITUDE!
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How to totally ruin a perfectly good Unipower GT! Not all race modifications make the car look better even if they may make it go better.
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As an aside, most UK pics are of the car going right to left so Hampton Downs going left to right (from the inside) makes for a bit of welcome variety. At least at the last HD hairpin, you can get pics right to left and left to right.
Just flipping through my old diary for 1965. Seems the Felday won first time out at the televised Brands Hatch meeting, December 27th and also came second to a McLaren Elva! (Four races were televised by the good old Beeb.)
Rod Grimwood
11-17-2012, 11:26 PM
Steve on other thread you aksed about the Terry Richardson Escort, this is it before he painted it red and white.
Steve Holmes
11-19-2012, 02:25 AM
Thanks Rod, I actually have a photo of that car which I'd had for many years, and I always assumed it was Bruce Manons Escort. Only just recently discovered it was Terrys!
Steve Holmes
11-19-2012, 02:27 AM
Thanks Roger. The Chequered Flag had a showroom on Arkwright Street in Nottingham, and part of my Saturday ritual of going into town, as a young teenager, was to walk along to the Flag and peer in through the window.
A wee bit better looking than the Ugly Duckling, but better presented than most.
13593
I really love this. Got any more info on it?
Steve Holmes
11-19-2012, 02:30 AM
So will it be a modified V8 Cortina...
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Rob Kennard was a South Island hot rodder who built this V8 Cortina in the early 80s. After a couple of seasons getting it fully dialled in it was probably the fastest OSCA/Sports Sedan in NZ. I believe Rob is now the Sheriff in a small Southern California town. There was a magazine article about him a couple of years ago. Might have been NZ Hot Rod?
This is a genuine ex Sebring or Targa MGC, driven here at Prescott Hillclimb.
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I only ever saw this car once, so no idea who it is or what happened to it. Probably taken 1983 or 1984
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Andy Lowe's MGB V8 at Puhoi Hillclimb, either 1988/89 or thereabouts
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No prizes here! Ardmore 1989 - I saw junior a few minutes ago, driving through Highbury...
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GeebeeNZ
11-21-2012, 06:14 AM
I think the white MGB above with the dark tail may have been an Indian chap Anil Naidu
Thanks Graeme. It looks as though it was destined to be a track car, but as I said, I haven't seen it or anything like it since.
Rod Grimwood
11-22-2012, 12:12 AM
I think the white MGB above with the dark tail may have been an Indian chap Anil Naidu
Believe you to be right. Think he had a modified hard top later (black in colour). Raced against him in both a few times at Puke club curcuit.
It had bigger wheels, but looks like he has reverted to standard for wet.
The Prescott programme here lists this as a Lotus 23, but it looks like the Coldwell GT to me - sans gullwing doors for better visibility maybe - or better ventilation on a steaming English early summer's day...?
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One of my favourite cars of the period. Journalist Tom Leake's Aston Martin DB4GT
13995
And now for something completely different... An NSCC (Northern Sports Car Club, not Nottingham Sports Car Club this time) Sprint at Span farm. They turned down my 1300cc Riley Elf as it was still in primer, so I never did get to run it. Chevron with a slight hiccup. Not sure of the exact date, but mid 1980s.
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I am not a rally follower but picture opportunities abound, even if you are there as a stage marshal. Again, not sure of the date.
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Note to AMCO - please come back. I really miss your posts... Don't let one dozy poster put you off.
Rod Grimwood
11-23-2012, 03:20 AM
Silver sports (Chevron) with smoke and tell tale flame under it, looks like the Henderson sprint around the industrial years back (was that span farm) and RX3 is definately Woodhill but who not sure.
Shame about primer being such a safety thing, unreal for a sprint meeting. Thats what we all put up with back then.
Shano
11-23-2012, 07:51 AM
Note to AMCO - please come back. I really miss your posts... Don't let one dozy poster put you off.[/QUOTE]
+ 1 from me.
seaqnmac27
11-23-2012, 09:31 AM
Note to AMCO - please come back. I really miss your posts... Don't let one dozy poster put you off.
+ 1 from me.[/QUOTE]
+2
Rod Grimwood
11-23-2012, 08:37 PM
+ 1 from me.
+2[/QUOTE]
+3
AMCO72
11-23-2012, 08:40 PM
I am reviewing the situation........meantime you Guys, you had better get this thread back on track, otherwise we will get our ears chewed.
Carlo
11-23-2012, 09:02 PM
I am reviewing the situation........meantime you Guys, you had better get this thread back on track, otherwise we will get our ears chewed.
Missed your stories and comments, thought that son of yours had sold you off somewhere as a valuable relic
Welcome back
Steve Holmes
11-23-2012, 09:15 PM
I am reviewing the situation........meantime you Guys, you had better get this thread back on track, otherwise we will get our ears chewed.
Nope, no ear chewing, I'd like to see you back too Gerald.
AMCO72
11-23-2012, 09:45 PM
Well, it's nice to feel welcome. Clearly my writing style does not suit everyone, but that would be a tall ask on a forum such as this with such a wide diversity of interests and skills.
Of course I am just a fraud on here, as although my title says...'Billy Bigtime', my motoracing experience is zilch compared to some of the illustrious names on here. So I am just bumbling along telling stupid stories that I'm sure dont interest motoring historians, but may bring a smile to the faces of lesser mortals.
OK, enough of the bullshit. I will return to the printed page with details of a little project that I have been doing for last couple of months, but will appear on a more suitable thread, but here is a peep.
In response to a request by Jim Barclay, I have rescued the Austin 850 Mini that Denny Hulme purchased new in England in 1960 when he and George Lawton were there on the Driver to Europe program. The car had been sitting in a barn near TePuke since 1989, and was, as you can imagine in a rather sorry state.
Anyway, I will get some pictures together of the rescue mission, and more details about the car in another thread.
Woohoo! Welcome back... I wasn't around in NZ pre 1983 so stories of cars and personalities from an earlier time, particularly when well written, are appreciated. OK, I'll get the thread back on track...
Although the programme always used to state the driver's name as "Spotty Smith", the real name was Tony Banccroft. TVR at Prescott again. I'd have to say that the annual Bugatti/Ferrari owner's club hillclimb is a must attend event that tends to get overlooked these days, with the obvious emphasis on Goodwood.
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7 litre Skoda anyone? As mentioned before, the UK special saloons rules insisted on engine and gearbox in the original location and Skoda's proved an ideal base. Cadwell again - another UK venue well worth a visit, though Lincolnshire doesn't attract many NZ tourists. Pity really, as the (fresh) fish chips and mushy peas at the sea front at Skegness, are to die for! Four pounds 55p when we called in June - say $10?
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Curborough again and another of those less well known cars, the Landar. They also made rather nice Mini engined sports racers, but I don't think they produced many single seaters.
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Another "little brother" to my car. The Costin Amigo. I believe there might even be one in NZ? Please tell me my memory isn't playing tricks.
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No caption really required as to car or track...
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Rod Grimwood
11-23-2012, 10:37 PM
Must admit the "Billy Bigtime" with my name would be better as "Enthusiast" or "Part Time"
welcome back Gerald.
Love that Skoda, what a beast, nice shot of the Skyline at Puke, think if you visit John Windleburn at North Shore Automatic's you may see it parked in young Shanes corner.
Must admit the "Billy Bigtime" with my name would be better as "Enthusiast" or "Part Time"
welcome back Gerald.
Love that Skoda, what a beast.
Not keen on the Billy Bigtime moniker either... I think that the Skoda's engine may have been in his previous 'loon, a Capri. George "Welly" Potter - I think. (Another missing race programme...)
Silverstone 1973, F1 meeting.
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I only managed the Richard Seaman Trophy races at Oulton Park the once, and it appears that maybe dust correction should have been applied when this negative was scanned... Big old cars with even bigger engines may not be the fastest round a race track, but the spectacle is more important than the speed - in my book anyway.
14024
April 1979 at Donington and the local super saloon hero, Mick Hill, in his latest Skoda. I think Mick's creations, from his first Jaguar engined Ford Anglia, through Capris, VW and Skodas, were all worth watching - and he wasn't too bad on the Scalextric either... (More of that anon)
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Geordie driver, French car, Chelsea Hillclimb. Obviously not an old scanned slide or negative, but a favourite pic anyway.
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Another digital pic. Monaco 2012 and another brave Brit effort - Alta. (I must publish Dad's Alta pic.)
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Another from the forests but as yet, undated.
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French Blue, Italian Red - Goodwood Festival 2004. I never did manage to get close enough to the track to get a decent action pic, even with a Press pass, but there are just so many decent cars around, that even if you can't get to the revival race meeting, the Festival is still well worth a visit. A (sold out) crowd limit of 150,000 over the three days, for a hillclimb, rather puts the Aussie V8 crowd numbers into perspective. Incidentally, ladies are allowed at Goodwood...
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Paul Madeley's rare race winning Nerus Silhouette at Hampton Downs. They only built 4 - and this one is now for sale.
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Without a doubt, one of the most impressive specials I have ever seen. The McNair Riley Moth - 2011 Chelsea again. The concept and execution of this car is just stunning. How can you compare watching a Falcodore to this?
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Patsy Burt's McLaren was a regular on the hillclimb scene. Shelsey Walsh.
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The late Ashley Cleave's 1937 Morris Special. According to a recent UK magazine, this car is now being restored. Prescott. PS: Now in touch with the new owner (Dec 2018)
14090
This Bentley Special was owned and raced by Alec Rivers-Fletcher, probably better known as the PRO for BRM. Probably less well known is that his next door neighbour at one stage, was the car mad British comic, the late Sir Norman Wisdom, who made an unscheduled appearance in one of Alec's home movies! Alec was a regular presenter of slide shows to car clubs and I remember well, my father taking me to Mansfield to see one. Outside was his modified Mk2 Jaguar, louvred bonnet, woodrim wheeel etc. Picture taken in the paddock of the Prescott Hillclimb.
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Not a hillclimb, (this time) but the Cadwell 'mountain' was a great feature of this track, often called the UK's mini Nurburgring. Pre '57 races were very popular with Morris Minors and Austin A35's doing battle with Mk1 Jaguars and Ford Zepyhrs, with able support from MG Magnettes, Standard Ensigns and even a P4 Rover. With the proliferation of older cars in NZ, its a pity that the same didn't take off here. NZ Pre 65's are racers, whereas the UK pre 57's were very much road cars.
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Steve Holmes
11-28-2012, 03:16 AM
Although the programme always used to state the driver's name as "Spotty Smith", the real name was Tony Banccroft. TVR at Prescott again. I'd have to say that the annual Bugatti/Ferrari owner's club hillclimb is a must attend event that tends to get overlooked these days, with the obvious emphasis on Goodwood.
14004
7 litre Skoda anyone? As mentioned before, the UK special saloons rules insisted on engine and gearbox in the original location and Skoda's proved an ideal base. Cadwell again - another UK venue well worth a visit, though Lincolnshire doesn't attract many NZ tourists. Pity really, as the (fresh) fish chips and mushy peas at the sea front at Skegness, are to die for! Four pounds 55p when we called in June - say $10?
14005
Love the TVR Griffith.
Re the Skoda, what sort of suspension/brakes etc would have been used on this car? I know many of these cars were built using single seater components, often from cars that were a couple of years old, so they could be picked up on the cheap and scavenged. Fantastic little car. Does it still exist?
Steve Holmes
11-28-2012, 03:25 AM
Silverstone 1973, F1 meeting.
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I only managed the Richard Seaman Trophy races at Oulton Park the once, and it appears that maybe dust correction should have been applied when this negative was scanned... Big old cars with even bigger engines may not be the fastest round a race track, but the spectacle is more important than the speed - in my book anyway.
14024
April 1979 at Donington and the local super saloon hero, Mick Hill, in his latest Skoda. I think Mick's creations, from his first Jaguar engined Ford Anglia, through Capris, VW and Skodas, were all worth watching - and he wasn't too bad on the Scalextric either... (More of that anon)
14025
Loving these pics Ray. How did the Aston perform? Was this powered by the same V8 motor used in 1967 in the Lola T70 coupes?
Mick Hill raced some fascinating Special Saloons. Several of his cars are featured here: http://www.racing70s.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/racing70s/menus/menusaloon.htm
I think that the Aston was built for Le Mans (by Robin Hamilton?) - maybe John Dennehy can fill in some details? Picture taken at the same time as the Decadanet, as per earlier pics, so maybe Howard also has recollections?
Incidentally, the first automatic I ever drove was the boss's DBS Aston Vantage, returning from Leeds after its first 3000 mile service. I have never forgotten that thrill of accelerating briskly from 100mph to 120mph - until the fuel gauge headed towards empty at an equally brisk rate and I didn't have much cash with me for fuel. Running a 998cc Mini Cooper at the time, that was a different beast altogether, but I soon adapted.
When it comes to the technical aspects of the super saloons, or indeed, any car, I am the wrong person to ask.
Classic case of pot calling the kettle black. This Bugatti T50 was just as large as a Bentley, if not larger.
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Silverstone test session , probably at the same time as Howard & the de Cadanet Lola. I think from memory this is a Brabham, but stand corrected.
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As you all love the Super Saloons as much as I do, no aplogies for this.
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I think this was the first time I had seen a Veritas. Wow! What a lovely noise.
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seaqnmac27
11-29-2012, 11:23 PM
Lella Lombardi British GP 1976 for the Brabham BT44B?
Lella Lombardi British GP 1976 for the Brabham BT44B?
Many thanks for that.
Grant Ellwood
11-30-2012, 01:18 AM
Lella Lombardi British GP 1976 for the Brabham BT44B?
Crikey Sean, does your uncle Gordon know that you are so uncannily accurate with motorsport history?
I can't reference Lella Lombardi's helmet from the pic - and the 1976 GP was at Brands Hatch. This was of course a Silverstone test session and definitely the RAM Brabham BT44B. Google works well but only up to a point as I have found out, as try as I might, I can't get some info particularly on some cars at some race meetings. Easy when you have a programme but even they are not 100% correct.
I curse every time I can't find a race programme to verify dates of pics taken, as occasionally, programmes were just lost on the day - or I was so impoverished that I couldn't afford one, preferring a hot dog instead! When you have a swag of pics taken on a specific day, they have to remain in the "still to be dated" folder until they can be confirmed. Thank goodness we were limited to two or three rolls of film a day, as these days, taking 400 - 500 a day is normal!
Maybe there is an opportunity to establish a website that has the entry lists, but as these days, that appears to be copyright, it might not be so easy. There is a great website for programme covers that I have managed to contribute to, which certainly may help some people - http://www.progcovers.com/motor/index.html
Austin 1800 (Land Crab). Apparently so named that from the air, it looked like a crab crossing the desert. For some strange reason, the 1100/1300 and Maxi are often referred to, erroneously, as Land Crabs on some NZ message boards. Taken at Thruxton 1968.
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Goodwood Festival 2004 - digital pics this time. What makes this event so special is not just the action on the hillclimb, but the incredibly variety of cars elsewhere on the site. Cunningham. First time I had seen any Cunningham in the metal, even though I did have a Dinky Toy - up until early 2012 when much of my collection was sold off.
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Diversity also in the form of a Hot Rod display at Goodwood.
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I never collected Corgi diecasts but the Ecurie Ecosse Transporter is one I would have happily added to the collection. Taken at Goodwood Revival, 2009.
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The somewhat less impressive Elva van! Note the period refreshment van in the background. Sadly, prices were anything but period...
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Tony & Mrs Brooks at the ORMA dance 1965. I look forward to reading his recently released autobiography "Poetry In Motion".
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The Racing Car Show - my annual pilgrimage to the "The Smoke", January each year.
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Sir Tom Wheatcroft at the first post war car race meeting at Donington. The meeting nearly didn't go ahead due to last minute objections by local ramblers, so it was run as a "Trial". Unfortunately, it meant no single seaters could run. Fortunately, the NSCC (the organising Club) had a lawyer on the board and much time and effort was expended to make sure the meeting ran at all. Clearance was only received late Friday, by which time, many potential spectators feared the worst and cancelled their travel plans.
Sadly, the major sponsors, The Else Motor Group, Lotus dealers, lost a packet on the event and I believe they folded not too much later.
This was taken on the Historic Lotus Grid and Colin Chapman was around too. That race was won by Brian Cocks, Lotus 23 - using the oil cooler borrowed from my Mini, as he'd damaged his cooler!
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Later in 1977, Nikki Lauda being interviewed by Barry Sheene, with 'Enery Cooper looking on. Beatle George Harrison wasn't far away either. British GP 1977, Silverstone pit lane.
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Steve Holmes
12-03-2012, 01:21 AM
These are amazing Ray!
Steve Holmes
12-03-2012, 01:25 AM
I never collected Corgi diecasts but the Ecurie Ecosse Transporter is one I would have happily added to the collection. Taken at Goodwood Revival, 2009.
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This is beautiful! It always intrigues me how old commercial vehicles manage to survive. Once past their use-by date, its not quite so easy to just push them into a corner of the shed and throw and cover over them as it is with an old car. Commercial vehicles, if not torn down when their careers have ended, are usually parked outside, where they get ravaged by the weather. Must be a huge undertaking to restore one of these.
I can't reference Lella Lombardi's helmet from the pic - and the 1976 GP was at Brands Hatch. This was of course a Silverstone test session and definitely the RAM Brabham BT44B. Google works well but only up to a point...
Maybe there is an opportunity to establish a website that has the entry lists, but as these days, that appears to be copyright, it might not be so easy.
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/race/1661.html
This site's quite handy. :cool:
This is beautiful! It always intrigues me how old commercial vehicles manage to survive. Once past their use-by date, its not quite so easy to just push them into a corner of the shed and throw and cover over them as it is with an old car. Commercial vehicles, if not torn down when their careers have ended, are usually parked outside, where they get ravaged by the weather. Must be a huge undertaking to restore one of these.
Agree. I like old buses too, particularly the half cab type. I'll post one of the BRM Leyland transporter shortly. I remember visiting the BRM works at Bourne during a factory visit where my buddy and I clambered aboard. It was unlocked of course and somehow or other we hit the screen washer switch. They obviously put some meths into the screenwash...
F1 factory visits. Those were the days... Also managed the Hesketh HQ at one stage, as a passenger aboard a Lotus Elite Climax. Needed ear muffs in that car...
Mallory Park again, but I think this might be Jock Russell's Lotus. In itself, nothing out of the ordinary, but it was painted metallic blue and yellow which looked smart, as did their Mini countryman, painted in the same colours!
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Peter Cox's smart Triumph GT6 at the Mallory petrol station. We used to have several Triumph Spitfires on our list (one has just resurfaced) but I can't remember anyone racing a GT6 locally. I much prefer the Mk1 shape to the later version.
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Berkeley 4 wheeler. Love it!!!
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4WD before it became popular. Bugatti of course. Goodwood Festival 1996 but getting a clear view of the track wasn't so easy so the majority of my pics were statics. Colour negative film rather than slides as slides were already on the decline by then.
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Goodwood 1996 again. The digital camera had just about arrived, but the quality of the images was just terrible! Fortunately, I still took good old negative roll film. The original Mk1 BRM V16.
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...and the Mk II. I much prefer the latter for looks, despite the scoops.
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Arguably, one of the most attractive GTs cars of the era - Project Aston Martin.
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Back to the transporter, the famous BRM Leyland Tiger as mentioned earlier. I think this was inside the Donington museum at one stage so I am not sure if Tom Wheatcroft owned it. He certainly owned an example of just about every BRM every made, including the V16. Digital pic from Goodwood Revival 2009
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Powder
12-06-2012, 03:22 AM
I can't reference Lella Lombardi's helmet from the pic - and the 1976 GP was at Brands Hatch. This was of course a Silverstone test session and definitely the RAM Brabham BT44B. Google works well but only up to a point as I have found out
Google 'Loris Kessel' for a match on the helmet.
Brilliant! Thanks so much for that. Definitely puts that one to rest. Loris Kessel (someone I had never really heard of) probably trying the car, as he raced the number 32 Brabham later. Most impressed Powder!
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The Riley Moth taken at the Chelsea Climb last year
Oldfart
12-06-2012, 06:48 AM
How does one vote? Great photo
Powder
12-06-2012, 07:07 AM
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The Riley Moth taken at the Chelsea Climb last year
Done.
How does one vote? Great photo
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Steve Holmes
12-06-2012, 09:20 PM
Amazing photos! I'm really enjoying them. Agree re the Project 214, just a beautiful car. Too bad they didn't make a few for the road as well. That transporter is incredible. The level of styling that went into transporters in this era is so enjoyable. Its almost like there was a little competition going on behind the scenes to see who could design the best looking transporter.
Who owned the two BRMs?
My guess would be the National Motor Museum and Nick Mason. From memory, there were no less than 4 V16s entered but as I wasn't there for the whole event, I am not sure whether or not they all turned up.
Back to Dad's pics. This old Ford van was the company vehicle. If any of you are British and had your school photograph taken in the 1950's and early 1960s, the chances are that it was taken by H. Tempest Ltd, Schools, Industrial and Aerial Photographers. I publish this as it was our transport to my first race meeting - and I was sitting on one of those folding wooden chairs, in the back, along with two or three others, similarly seated!
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The only family car we ever had. A 1934 Singer we had on the road from 1950-1952, but its insatiable appetite for half shafts finally saw it abandoned until 1964, when it was sold to a student, who stripped off a few mechanical bits and dumped the rest. It was sold for $10 and I gather that there only a dozen survivors, world wide. One is in Freemantle and the owner also has a Marcos Volvo 3 litre, plus a few other interesting cars.
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Mallory 1956 again. I know the car but does anyone else know what it is?
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And again - Lotuses were always popular at Mallory as it suited them, particularly later, when Elites and Elans were dominant.
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Steve Holmes
12-06-2012, 09:57 PM
My guess would be the National Motor Museum and Nick Mason. From memory, there were no less than 4 V16s entered but as I wasn't there for the whole event, I am not sure whether or not they all turned up.
Thanks Ray. Did I read somewhere Mason has sold his?
Nick Mason has sold his to V16 someone called Ecclestone, who has a massive collection by all accounts... I suppose that if you are in a position to extract billions over the years from F1, you may as well invest in iconic race cars.
Steve Holmes
12-06-2012, 10:51 PM
Ahh, thanks Ray. I thought that was who owned it now, thanks for confirming. He also owns the Mercedes W125 formerly owned by Neil Corner. My understanding is he doesn't care much for publicly displaying or demonstrating them?
On to 1966. Would you really believe 2 x Ford GT40s and David Piper's famous green Ferrari 250LM at a tiny 1.35 mile track? A good crowd of paying spectators as was usual in those days.
14375
Same day - what was I saying about Lotus? Note the leading car? I think it was a Shapecraft (fastback) Elan
14372
Ex wife professes an interest in a Piper at Thruxton 1969. (I thought it might have been 1968 but the rego plate is a give away.)
14373
First time I ever saw a Healey Silverstone. The car park at Prescott I think, May 1970. As an aside, I found that many of the British cars I lusted after were in the private John Ferynhough collection in Auckland. The Healey Silverstone was one of several where I couldn't insinuate my 6ft 2" frame into the driving seat with any degree of comfort, even with the seat as far back as it would go. Given the overall size of many of those cars, it seemed odd to only cater for legless dwarves.
14374
Not a very good pic I am afraid, but the Costin Nathan about 1970 at Mallory.
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Wridgeway Horton (what a name!) in the potent Jag that I think might have been destroyed at a Silverstone Sprint a year or three later. He then moved on to a Vauxhall Firenza.
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Just a MIni. But this time, it is well known UK motorsport Photographer John Colley. Curborough start line again in the days when the course was only 900 yards. in recent years, they have made it so that you roar out of the hairpin but then turn right into the first corner and repeat the latter two thirds again. Curborough is a very busy little course with a meet most Sundays of the year from about March to November. Situated just off the A38 near Lichfield/Stafford.
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We were talking about this gentleman the other night. Mike Westall at Whenuapai, February 1991.
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David McKinney
12-07-2012, 12:56 PM
Mallory 1956 again. I know the car but does anyone else know what it is?
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Might it be the Victoria-Climax?
Sorry David. No. The name is relatively well known though!
It was a great era for sports and sports racing cars, most, like this one, were road registered. The registration plate shows this to be a local (Nottingham) car and as it was an NSCC event, that is no surprise. NSCC ran many meetings at Mallory in the early days (from 1956) whilst still also running many Silverstone meetings, so there was a meeting on most weekends during the season.
An amazing workload in pre computer times, so no wonder that they eventally had a full time secretary, the very competent Betty Shaw. NSCC in its prime, would have been one of the largest clubs in the UK. They ran the opening meetings at Mallory, possibly the club circuit at Silverstone, the opening meeting at Donington, plus meetings at Croft, Cadwell and even a foray to Aintree (Liverpool) and Thruxton, plus of course the Gamston meetings in 1950/51.
As circuits got stronger, they realised that they should be getting the profits as well as the track hire income and clubs without their own track, such as NSCC, were eventually frozen out. Although they did actively search for their own venue, they almost had it sorted for a circuit at the Southwell (horse) Racecourse and looked hard at the Newark Showgrounds, but sadly, they came to nothing.
Betty retired (to Spain) and the secretary was then a part time post but once the club racing side finished - the last meetings were at Croft, the club almost folded as it had nothing left to offer. I took over as Competition Secretary and newsletter editor (and printer!) when it was at its lowest ebb. I devised and built up the Sprint Championship, which had a far fairer points system than the ones usually based on class records.
As part of the AMMC (Association of Midland Motor Clubs) sprint championship mainly at Curborough, NSCC points were concurrent and it wasn't too long before numbers rose from one (me!) regular sprinter to about 60 and the club has maintained and increased that strong sprint involvement to this day.
Sorry if this appears to me blowing my own trumpet a wee bit, but minnows in the sport, even with a proud heritage, can be wiped out so easily, when venues aren't available or circuit owners get too greedy.
Thankfully, NZ is more like the UK used to be, with clubs having a very strong role in the sport, each with their own slant on things.
Goodwood 2009 - digital of course... This was the pre 1966 public car park.
14403
The famous "Outspan Orange" that I first saw at the National Motor Museum. it is probably still there, but it took part in the "50 years of Mini" parade. It is one of the many things that impresses me about Goodwood, that even the Friday (practice day) still has the parades, so we had the Mini parade and also the Stirling Moss tribute parade.
14404
As mentioned before, I have always liked these half cab coaches.
14405
Rod Grimwood
12-07-2012, 10:20 PM
Post #145 the Jaguar in 1991 at Whenuapai, Mike Westnell
I take it this is the same car at Lady Wigram Revival this year. It is a beatiful bit of work.
Note different roll cage, why I ask the Question.
Roll cages are a dirty word with me at the moment...
Nice pics and although metallic brown wouldn't be my first choice of colour, it is at least quite subtley distinctive. I do have other pics somewhere, so could probably confirm it is the same car but not running a numberplate - or changing to personalised plates - does make it a bit more difficult to track cars. It certainly does look to be the same car and great that it is still out there. It looks to have had a fresh coat of paint too as it never looked that good up here!
Rod Grimwood
12-07-2012, 11:05 PM
Yes it is a smart car, looks great and goes as good as it looks.
jamie
12-08-2012, 12:10 AM
Hi gang I think I built A quick motor for that car back in the mid 80s Jamie A
AMCO72
12-08-2012, 01:33 AM
That was indeed a neat car, and BIG Mike was not affraid to push it along. Raced against him quite a lot in the mid 80's at Taupo.
It somehow looks different though......a subtle change in the colour maybe. Changing registrations doesnt help.
Jamie could well have built the engine as it was indecently fast.......and reliable.
AMCO72
12-08-2012, 02:15 AM
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Cant find a pic of Mike at Taupo, but here we are with another of the 3.8's that used to race at the time......Danie Lupp.
I am in the MG 1300 S. This photo taken at the sweeper leading into the front straight.......Im sure Danie just blasted past a second or two later. Good fun then.
Have to say I prefered Mikes driving style!!!!!!!
Steve Holmes
12-08-2012, 02:18 AM
As mentioned before, I have always liked these half cab coaches.
14405
Me too Ray! Really elegant and with graceful lines. Just fantastic.
AMCO72
12-08-2012, 04:50 AM
Ah ha........ got it. The ex Mike Westall car has different wheels. Bigger diameter, I think, certainly more spokes......makes it look quite different. Better tyre choice with the bigger wheels, and as we all know......its all about tyres. Can make or break a car. Also it was lower in the old days....a really aggressive looking machine. I'm sure was better set up than Danies car. If you look at the attitude of his following the MG in the sweeper, it looks a bit out of control.
The MG was quite stiff.....lowered till it was riding on the bump-stops.....not the best thing to do, but didnt know any better. The lad wasnt old enough to put me right!!
OK. A total guess here. Did the Westall car go to Uhlenberg and the blue one above could well be the Norm Agnew car? Maybe it was always lower with Mike at the wheel as I don't think he was exactly skinny...
As for the brown repaint. I agree, it looks a shade or so lighter now, but some film and digital cameras, plus some computer screens can warp things a bit, not to mention addled memories....
Dad's again. I have absolutely no idea about this as it appears to be taken at Donington, but not at a race meeting, so I have no date or details. Maserati, yes, Donington, yes. That's it!
14445
Slightly easier... R4D Raymond Mays 10th June 1939, Donington, taken on glass plate, not film.
14446
What price this collection of BRM autographs? Albert Powell is on there as I mistook him for someone else, but as he was a noted racer anyway, it doesn't really matter. I may indeed be selling this as I clear out some of my memorabilia.
14447
"Monzanapolis" Lister Jaguar single seater. This has since been restored and was at Goodwood 2009.
14448
Whenuapai 1984. I put my recently arrived (now ex) wife and son first and missed the race meeting - but called in on the way back from the Hot Pools. Drat. I should have gone to Whenuapai as she went back to the UK anyway...
14449
jim short
12-09-2012, 11:53 PM
Dad's again. I have absolutely no idea about this as it appears to be taken at Donington, but not at a race meeting, so I have no date or details. Maserati, yes, Donington, yes. That's it!
14445
Slightly easier... R4D Raymond Mays 10th June 1939, Donington, taken on glass plate, not film.
14446
What price this collection of BRM autographs? Albert Powell is on there as I mistook him for someone else, but as he was a noted racer anyway, it doesn't really matter. I may indeed be selling this as I clear out some of my memorabilia.
14447
"Monzanapolis" Lister Jaguar single seater. THis has since ben restored and was at Goodwood 2009.
14448
Whenuapai 1984. I put my recently arrived (now ex) wife and son first and missed the race meeting - but called in on the way back from the Hot Pools. Drat. I should have gone to Whenuapai as she went back to the UK anyway...
14449
Bill Morrice ERA he and Dave Silcock {Jilly}had a great time, and if I remember he took Dave back to England for a spell
David McKinney
12-10-2012, 06:12 PM
Dad's again. I have absolutely no idea about this as it appears to be taken at Donington, but not at a race meeting, so I have no date or details. Maserati, yes, Donington, yes. That's it!
14445
A 6CM with 1100cc engine
I think the driver is C J P 'Charlie' Dodson (the second man to win TTs on two wheels and four)
Thanks David. This scratchy paddock pic may identify the driver better. The two were taken on B & W positive film, rather than negative film and I don't think I have any others on this medium.
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Monaco 2012
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Tunny7
12-10-2012, 08:40 PM
Dad's again. I have absolutely no idea about this as it appears to be taken at Donington, but not at a race meeting, so I have no date or details. Maserati, yes, Donington, yes. That's it!
14445
Slightly easier... R4D Raymond Mays 10th June 1939, Donington, taken on glass plate, not film.
14446
What price this collection of BRM autographs? Albert Powell is on there as I mistook him for someone else, but as he was a noted racer anyway, it doesn't really matter. I may indeed be selling this as I clear out some of my memorabilia.
14447
"Monzanapolis" Lister Jaguar single seater. THis has since ben restored and was at Goodwood 2009.
14448
Whenuapai 1984. I put my recently arrived (now ex) wife and son first and missed the race meeting - but called in on the way back from the Hot Pools. Drat. I should have gone to Whenuapai as she went back to the UK anyway...
14449
Hi, I'm not msure of the value of those signatures but I'd welcome the opportunity to have a crack at buying them if and when you sell them. Have been collecting signed auto stuff for a while and they'd look great in the shed. Cheers, Richard.
Tom Wheatcroft was devastated when Roger Williamson died and never he never entered a Formula 1 car again. This tribute has been in the museum since that terrible day.
14463
One of the things I always loved about the museum was the number of one offs that were displayed. The collection of failed 4WD F1 cars on display are fascinating. Approaches have been made to return this one to NZ.
14464
During our Monaco trip, the group were told that Jacques Villeneuve would be giving his late father's car a run at the private Ferrari test track at Maranello, 30 years after his father's death. Bearing in mind the test track is surrounded by security fencing and is not open to the public and this was a private test session, extra police had to be drafted in to control the cars of 100's of spectators who hacked their way through the undergrowth to get a glimpse, and caused traffic chaos in the vicinity! This is one of those once in a lifetime shots that has a story to it and is destined to be one of my all time favourites.
14465
ElCoyote
12-10-2012, 10:08 PM
Jamie has requested I post this on his behalf. I suspect jamie did his apprenticeship on this car.
Hi steve had A look at my pitcs of FE14467RRARI for the D50 Shot please put in the FANGIO D50 Slot .
Looks like the Ferrari museum at Maranello. Is this a recreation as I understood all the original Lancia Ferraris were scrapped?
seaqnmac27
12-11-2012, 01:47 AM
Silverstone test session , probably at the same time as Howard & the de Cadanet Lola. I think from memory this is a Brabham, but stand corrected.
14167
Sorry I was wrong, have been pondering this while I have been in NZ, definitely not Lella, rather this is Loris Kessel, and it would have been a test session, as Loris never drove car 33 during the 76 season, instead he was in car 32.
Dad's pic again. The 1963 Silverstone International Trophy. Count Godin de Beaufort's bright orange Porsche was a regular on the GP circuits. This is another car that I think is/was in the Donington museum.
14469
The garage three doors away from home, just out of shot to the left, had a simple philosophy when it changed hands and moved on from just being a petrol station (and some sort of involvement with army trucks), to car sales. It was a neat piece of marketing, to slot an exotic car out front, such as this Iso, amongst the usual dross, as the business built up. I am not sure of the year, 1966 maybe, but this is a 1965 car with a Derbyshire registration and with a Mercedes next to it, it wasn't year one!
Over time, this exotic slot included the first Lamborghini Muira I ever saw and a Gordon Keeble. The garage owner (Chick Wheelhouse - great name!) proved to be very successful. The garage was demolished a few years ago and the developers were refused permission to build a supermarket on the site and as at my last visit, 2012, it had been vacant and overgrown for a number of years.
14470
Steve Whitren's MGB engined MG Magnette at Whenuapai, 1987 - showing some evidence of having brushed the tyres...
14472
One of the great things about the Goodwood Festival, is that in addition to the exotic, the concours d'elegance coachbuilt beauties and the genuine exotics on display, Lord March is happy enough to include these "Wacky Racers" as part of the day. Not just a static display either as these creations did a run up the hill too! Pic taken 2004.
14473
All digital this time - I haven't scanned for a few days as the office was looking a bigger mess than usual with programmes, negs and slides all over the place.
The Donington Collection is a must see, though I am not sure how many cars Kevin Wheatcroft has sold off to make room for his collection of military vehicles. I was unable to elicit an up to date list of exhibits from the receptionist earlier this year, so for the first time in 35 years, I didn't go into the museum.
The collection of Vanwalls along with BRMs are my favourites. This was taken in 2004.
14474
What is so special about this Brabus modified Meercedes? Why a pic on here? This is one of the Mercedes owned by jazz trombonist Chris Barber, who was awarded the OBE by John Major. CB OBE... Chris is my all time musical hero and has been for 50 years, but what many may not know is that this active 82 year old is not only still leading the best jazz band Britain has ever produced, and who influenced so many other musicians, from the Beatles to Rod stewart, Jools Holand to Van Morrison, but was also the owner of the first production Lotus Elite. He not only raced that Elite (successfully) but toured extensively in it too, clocking up an amazing mileage. He is also a buddy of Bernie Ecclestone and Jackie Stewart...
14475
Vincent powered vintage sidecar - NZ...
14476
The pale green GTO has just been sold for a massive sum. Although pale green would not be my first choice of car colour, this is a real piece of history and the BRP/Moss association is provenance indeed.
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Another car park shot. As we were in a hurry, (we were heading back to Christchurch [UK] for a Chris Barber concert I only had about 5 minutes in this car park field. Facel Vega as a make have always fascinated me, so good to see one.
14478
AMCO72
12-12-2012, 12:53 AM
14479
The Steve Whitren MG magnette again. Taupo 1986 giving the Cooper S a hard time.
The MG Car Club president chats to the owner of this stunning Austin Healey 100M
14483
...who also commissioned this 100S replica. A TACCOC judge admires it.
14484
One of my favourite cars at Ellerslie was this Alvis.
14485
As a young lad, the Triumph TR3 and 3A were my favourite sports cars but they never looked this good!
14486
An underrated classic in my opinion. The Reliant Sabre. With the amalgamations then decimation of the UK car industry, there was a time when Reliant were just about the second largest UK owned independent manufacturer.
14487
mid-year
12-14-2012, 06:07 AM
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mid-year
12-14-2012, 06:10 AM
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mid-year
12-14-2012, 06:15 AM
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mid-year
12-14-2012, 06:16 AM
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Love that Bolwell Nagari! I seem to remember a red one at Fraser cars a few years ago.
Prescott 1971 again... Only when I scanned these two Jaguars did I notice the number plates. I wonder if there is a connection? 14539
...and the E Type looks to have been modified for much wider wheels.
14540
Techcraft Buick. Is this the same Techcraft that had a BRM engine at a later stage or totally different?
14541
Major Lambton hanging on to the wonderful HWM Jaguar. He was also running in the same class with a McLaren M10B.
14542
David McKinney
12-16-2012, 12:19 PM
Both Jaguars were owned by Bryan Corser
The TechCraft-Buick and TechCraft-BRM were different cars
Thanks David. Much appreciated.
The then hillclimb champion, Sir Nick Williamson, giving a Bugatti Type 37 a run
14560
Formula 5000 meeting, Mallory Park, 8th July 1973
Guy Edward's Lola T330
14561
I wonder how many race mechanics agree with this sentiment! Attached to Steve Thompson's Chevron B24.
14562
Although David Oxton looks quite relaxed here, he was a non-starter in the Begg FM5 for the afternoon's 50 lap Rothman's Championship race.
14563
Steve Holmes
12-17-2012, 04:56 AM
The Guy Edwards Lola looks like it has a split rear rim! Scary.
Steve Holmes
12-17-2012, 05:11 AM
The garage three doors away from home, just out of shot to the left, had a simple philosophy when it changed hands and moved on from just being a petrol station (and some sort of involvement with army trucks), to car sales. It was a neat piece of marketing, to slot an exotic car out front, such as this Iso, amongst the usual dross, as the business built up. I am not sure of the year, 1966 maybe, but this is a 1965 car with a Derbyshire registration and with a Mercedes next to it, it wasn't year one!
Over time, this exotic slot included the first Lamborghini Muira I ever saw and a Gordon Keeble. The garage owner (Chick Wheelhouse - great name!) proved to be very successful. The garage was demolished a few years ago and the developers were refused permission to build a supermarket on the site and as at my last visit, 2012, it had been vacant and overgrown for a number of years.
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One of my all time favourites, Iso Rivolta. What a superb looking car, especially when fitted with Borrani wires.
Jac Mac
12-17-2012, 06:13 AM
Ol Jack Ondrack has one of those Rivoltas that he keeps threatening to bring out for the SFOS series or maybe the Targa, has not appeared in the flesh yet though....TGFSM:)
Yet another from the Chick Wheelhouse car lot! End March 1972
14594
Ignoring for a moment, the lovely Daytona, this was also taken on the road on which we lived, but this time about three quarters of a mile closer to town. This emporium was Frank Sytner's before he moved into the centre of town for many years. I remember well a car club evening at his city showroom when Frank Williams was the speaker. It seems that one of them managed to roll an Austin A40 in the city a few years earlier...
Frank has now moved out to the other side of town to an industrial estate on the fringe of the city. Frank of course, took part in the Wellington Street race in the BMW - that I still maintain, beat the Volvo... Frank's single seater was the one losing a wheel at Monaco this year on the start line when there was a false start by the Tyrrell and a McLaren came throough from row three.
14595
Curborough, April 1972
This time , the Tech Craft BRM
14596
Not sure, but possibly local Curborough expert Bob Rose.
14597
Beauty and
14617
...the beast. Not all repowers are aesthetically successful... Curborough 1972. Quite why you'd bother to fire up a F1 BRM just for a 900 yard sprint course I am not sure, but it did add a touch of class. David Render also ran an ex F1 Lotus now and again.
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Closer to home - the Bolwell Nagari mentiond earlier
14618
I didn't note the details of this car, at the Ellerslie Car Show of 2008. Just a make would suffice so that I can file it.
14619
GeebeeNZ
12-18-2012, 09:31 PM
Ray, I think the little red single seater is the Rattlesnake Imp. it is powered by a Hillman Imp motor and box.
Graeme
Thanks Graeme. Presumably locally built? I'll file it under specials then!!! Not sure what class it would run under as I presume it would be too new for VCC?
David McKinney
12-19-2012, 01:07 PM
If it is the Rattlesnake, it first ran in hillclimbs in 1969
Goodwood Festival 1996
14641
The only time Porsche entered F1 was in the 1500cc era, from 1961-1966. Love this car.
14642
Probably the most photographed Ferrari GTO of all, helped enormously by its celebrity owner - and also that Nottinghamshire numberplate!
14643
Fast forward to 2012 and a visit to one of the most amazing car museums in the UK. Reputed to be the largest private collection in the country, it has some amazing exhibits, ranging from the totally unrestored and now quite tatty looking F1 BRM H16, as last run as an F5000 car, to a mint F1 Lotus 33.
The remaining exhibits are less sporting, but fascinating, with over 150 cars (including 4 steam cars), a good number of motor bikes (including a Vincent Black Shadow) and some amazing pedal cars. It was only after paying our $18 entry fee that we saw the notice declaring that you aren't allowed to take photographs inside the well laid out halls!!!! Each hall is policed by a volunteeer to make sure you don't take any. Many cars are very run of the mill but a great display and worth a visit.
The museum is at Caister, near Yarmouth, on the east coast.
14644
Trengwainton Hillclimb in Cornwall, April 1969. I have no idea who or what, but he seems happy enough! This was at the top of the hill where drivers entered a field prior to a return to the start area.
14658
Trengwainton again. Note the very narrow track and the wooden Armco...
14659
Silverstone Winter Sprints I think, November or December 1972. Quick Mini 1275 driver (who always beat my 998cc Cooper) poses by what I believe may have been the Ian Richardson McLaren. Ian Richardson was the creator of the Chev Corvair that ran in supersaloonsa and the Mclaren is the same metallic blue as the Corvair.
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Even in a Silverstone Sprint (2 laps of the club circuit) you got interesting cars. The winter sprint series was always run over 5 consecutive Saturdays by 5 different clubs. MGCC, Herts County, Coventry and Warwickshire, Nottingham Sports Car Club and SUNBAC. Working alternate weekends, I used to try to commandeer a week of night shifts to cover the working weekends and used to drive up to Silverstone having finished my shift at 7am, then return after the sprints, grabbing a quick snooze and a bite to eat before going into work again at 8:45 pm....
14661
Back to NZ for the annual Le Mans relay race, possibly 1985. Looks like Derek Atkinson's Morgan +4 steaming past Rob Douglas in the Daimler SP250. Note all the white coated "plombeurs" in the background. Clerk of the Course Debbie would have a fit today with so many people clustered around the start!
14662
Milan Fistonic
12-22-2012, 10:46 PM
Ray, I think the little red single seater is the Rattlesnake Imp. it is powered by a Hillman Imp motor and box.
Graeme
It is the Rattlesnake Imp. If you have a copy of Vercoe's book you will find it under Firth Specials.
"One final car was built. This was the Rattlesnake Imp that apperaed at Hunters Road Hillclimb in 1970. The Rattlesnake was powered by an 847cc Chrysler Imp motor with the same framework as the Scorpion. Bob Firth took a class second in that debut run. The car is currently owned by Ray Hawke and is a regular runner in historic races."
Thanks Milan. I haven't seen it at a race meeting yet, but look forward to seeing it in action. I have a real fascination (but without much knowledge) for any one offs and limited run cars, whether they are single seaters, saloons or sports cars. It is one of the major strengths of historic and classic racing - variety.
I have the Vercoe book but must confess that I haven't delved into it as often as I should. My current emphasis is making sure I can date the massive pile of pre digital negs and slides as accurately as possible as I scan them, albeit just a few a day.
Milan Fistonic
12-23-2012, 04:56 AM
Back to NZ for the annual Le Mans relay race, possibly 1985. Looks like Derek Atkinson's Morgan +4 steaming past Rob Douglas in the Daimler SP250. Note all the white coated "plombeurs" in the background. Clerk of the Course Debbie would have a fit today with so many people clustered around the start!
14662
By a process of elimination I think this must be 1984. Rob Douglas' SP250 had number 181 in 1983, number 26 in 1985 and number 31 in 1986. I don't have the 1984 programme so I guess he must have had what looks like 51 that year.
Thanks again Milan. I seem to be one or two programmes short too!
As mentioned earlier, it seems shame we don't see these sorts of cars out on the track now, though the Daimler Club were at the TACCOC Dec 9th meeting at HD.
The first time I met Tony Roberts back in 1983, his entry into the staff car park in a Daimler SP250 before getting his company Toyota, was duly noted. The late Nigel Roskilly's manual Daimler 250 V8 saloon was also a car I always fancied.
Not sure when but probably 1988/89 again judging by the sight of my car in the background! Dick Jones Special and Maserarri. Looks like a trim Gordon Burr in the background!
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Goodwood Festival 1996. Love these Offy engined Indy cars...
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Connaught again. At least in those days, you could identify each car.
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Tribute to upcoming Hulme Festival sponsors - genuine Gulf GT40
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Ross Hollings
12-24-2012, 09:36 AM
Yes it is the Rattlesnake Imp,built by Bob Firth,brother of Murray,built at the family orchard in Oratia,scared the hell out of Bob first time out as I remember,can remember Bob building it in the packing shed area,where we used to test our cars,[chain gang].The body was a altered Murray Firth Design.Ross
Digital again... For many (me included) one of the most iconic of all car, driver, race number, entrant combinations. Goodwood 2009
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My home town produced the Brough Superior motorbikes (and cars) and my first three motorbikes were all Velocettes. However, my LE Velocettes weren't really in this class.
14679
2009 The annual Chelsea Hillclimb - no prizes for naming car or driver
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Ditto for 2010...
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And in 2012, the Riley Dobbs (I initially labelled this as Ransley Riley, hence the comments below) was another of those one offs or specials I added to my photographic collection. I think I probably have enough pics for a book on specials...!
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Looks as though this undesirable is trying to steal this lovely Mini...
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Aerodynamics of a brick
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Amazing that people paid a small fortune to upgrade a car effectively produced as a cheap runabout
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Some made a good job of making the Mini more durable and attractive for speedsters. I think this is the Dizzy Addicott DART.
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...whilst others made it stylish. The Ogle Mini had a fair bit of publicity at the time.
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David McKinney
12-26-2012, 11:20 AM
The car you've labelled Ransley-Riley looks more like the Dobbs Riley to me - or am I missing something?
beowulf
12-26-2012, 06:11 PM
Re the first Mini photo, he drives it like he stole it!
Racer Rog
12-26-2012, 09:17 PM
No David you are not, you are correct, as built by Hector Dobbs.
Roger
The car you've labelled Ransley-Riley looks more like the Dobbs Riley to me - or am I missing something?
Whoops. Careless of me. Instant recall memory playing tricks again. You are of course correct. It went rather well too. It was as fast as the slower ERA's so I presume the ERA's Riley engine heritage has much to do with that? (Now corrected.)
The Biota was probably not the best looking of the Mini kit cars, but this one seems to be very well presented.
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Without delving down into my Mini books, I can't remember the name of this one! Apart from the front grille treatment, I rather like this.
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The biggest cheer of all was for "Mr Bean" who obliged by doing his Mr Bean wave! I presume that the real driver was lying down inside the car, as it was going at a fair old lick!
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So good to see this out on track. Is that that the constructor driving? Twin engined Deep Sanderson I believe, but happy to be corrected...
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A Landar (with non period wheels), though it does look pretty good.
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Still many people's hero...
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Italian red watching out for British Racing Green
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Is this the ex Leuch car? Note the Gryphon on the scuttle of the Connaught.
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Good to see a couple of Scarabs out there.
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The Ferrari is just as good looking as the 250F Maserati really! Seeing cars like this is why historic racing is so attractive compared to modern characterless single seaters.
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jim short
12-29-2012, 12:17 AM
Still many people's hero...
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Italian red watching out for British Racing Green
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Is this the ex Leuch car? Note the Gryphon on the scuttle of the Connaught.
14701
Good to see a couple of Scarabs out there.
14702
The Ferrari is just as good looking at the 250F Maserati really! Seeing cars like this is why historic racing is so attractive compared to modern characterless single seaters.
14703
No Maserati looked that good...The Pat Hoare car perhaps looks like it,if I listen I can still hear the V12 at Ardmore,1962 in the wet I think he was top Kiwi??
jim short
12-29-2012, 01:18 AM
I rest my case...
14704
I think the carbs are the telling point,plastic buble puts ahead.
David McKinney
12-29-2012, 10:53 AM
Is this the ex Leuch car? Note the Gryphon on the scuttle of the Connaught.
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Leuch's car was a B-Type. This is the C-Type. Rightly or wrongly, it had this bodywork long before Leuch got his car. And wasn't the Leuch open-wheel body destroyed in the fire?
stubuchanan
12-29-2012, 11:38 AM
Italian red watching out for British Racing Green
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Is this the ex Leuch car? Note the Gryphon on the scuttle of the Connaught.
14701
The Ferrari is just as good looking at the 250F Maserati really! Seeing cars like this is why historic racing is so attractive compared to modern characterless single seaters.
14703
Not sure I agree on the Maserati/Ferrari beauty contest verdict. Anyway, you are comparing a 1956 Maserati body with a 1959 or 1960 Ferrari. Your Ferrari looks a bit strange to me, it looks too trim around the cockpit and headrest compared all other photos I have seen, from 1958 to 1960.
Not sure on the Connaught, but I think all the Works 1957 cars had the Gryphon symbol on the scuttle. It isn't a faithful reproduction/reconstruction of the "Toothpaste-Tube" body to me.
Cast my vote for the 250F!
Stu
Whenuapai 1986
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Goodwood 2004
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Goodwood 2004
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Goodwood 2009. Shame about the scaffolding... (Not to mention I only had a small Canon compact camera with me and we all know how difficult it is to take moving pics with one of those.)
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Goodwood 2009. Ditto
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I'm not sure if the Merit range of 1/24th scale car kits ever made it to NZ but they were pretty good kits given that they were 100% plastic - which also included the tyres. Dad built virtually the full set and photographed some of them - circa 1962 at a guess. I remember well him mixing up his own charcoal grey satin paint, as black gloss always looked totally wrong.
Two were "Super Kits" including the Alfa, with detailed engines.
14731
Most, like The Mercedes, just had the body polished rather than painted as in those days, small spray cans weren't really around.
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Not many kit manufacturer's have bothered with the Cooper and other 500cc cars, yet there were many different full size models deserving of reproduction in plastic.
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The other "Super Kit". The Talbot Lago. Incidentally, I brought these built up kits back to NZ when dad passed on, so maybe I should now re-photograph them in colour. For the day though, these were extremely accurate kits.
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The Gerry Marshall Mustang was as usual driven with great verve, but...
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as he explains here to the commentator, suitably attired as the BBC's first pit reporter, John Bolster...
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..."those standard period steel wheels just aint strong enough to cope with my spirited driving on today's rubber". (Several expletives probably deleted.)
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When the massive Ford Galaxie aircraft carriers arrived on the UK saloon car scene, it was all over for the Jaguars, but...
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the crowd favourite was this energetically driven Jaguar - and this was just practice!
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I don't think the Alfa Police car managed to catch the speedsters either, but good to see. Wasn't Ross Calgher supposed to be building a Rover SD1 "police" car?
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AMCO72
01-01-2013, 02:23 AM
Re the Gerry Marshal pics. A dramatic example of putting modern 'grippy' rubber on old cars. Hence the MSNZ manuals ruling on using period rubber in Historic competition. Old harder compounds are much safer in our style of racing as the suspension is being asked to go way beyond its original design parameters.
We are hunting through piles of old race tyres to find a suitable batch to see out the festival. Also have you checked the speed rating on some modern tyres.......is not as high as you might think. Even the Amco mini is doing over 215kph down the front straight so goodness knows what Dales' Muscle boys are doing!!!!!
stubuchanan
01-01-2013, 02:33 AM
Goodwood 2009. Ditto
14710
The Connaught A Type was quite a pretty car for 1952-53, especially if seen from the left without the air-box. Yellow colour presumably Belgian national colour, but maybe too much curry and not enough lemon! Was this car driven in 1953 GP's by Johnny Claes or Andre Pilette, or just owner's wishful thinking.
Stu
Kiwiboss
01-01-2013, 07:12 AM
Re the Gerry Marshal pics. A dramatic example of putting modern 'grippy' rubber on old cars. Hence the MSNZ manuals ruling on using period rubber in Historic competition. Old harder compounds are much safer in our style of racing as the suspension is being asked to go way beyond its original design parameters.
We are hunting through piles of old race tyres to find a suitable batch to see out the festival. Also have you checked the speed rating on some modern tyres.......is not as high as you might think. Even the Amco mini is doing over 215kph down the front straight so goodness knows what Dales' Muscle boys are doing!!!!!
Gerald, pm you a message about tyres a few days back, did you get it? i don't have your e-mail address on my home computer!!
At Hampton the V8's are fair "smoken" over the hill but its apart of the track i believe needs your utmost attention and im not even the fast compared to some class's!!!!
Ray, i just luv all these Goodwood pics, i guess im in the wrong country to be doing proper Historic racing!!!
Dale M
AMCO72
01-01-2013, 07:39 AM
Dale.... pm sent yesterday to you.
Otherwise...... bentley6@xtra.co.nz
Kiwiboss
01-01-2013, 10:01 AM
The Gerry Marshall Mustang was as usual driven with great verve, but...
14735
as he explains here to the commentator, suitably attired as the BBC's first pit reporter, John Bolster...
14737
..."those standard period steel wheels just aint strong enough to cope with my spirited driving on today's rubber". (Several expletives probably deleted.)
14736
Pretty hard to see here what broke, those early Mustangs had a bad habit of breaking ball joints and snapping of stub axles!! this maybe what happen here but certainly a modern sticky tyre wont help(except for lap times LOL)
Dale M
As I understand it Dale, the centre pulled out of the wheel, but at that time, period alloys were not allowed. I am not sure whether or not the rules have been changed since 2000, but at the time, even before that incident, there were rumblings about allowing alloy wheels on the grounds of safety.
I do sometimes wonder about many of the so called pure historics as to how pure they actually are. Winning at all costs also seems to have been a growing problem at Goodwood in the quest for victory, and sadly, that also includes examples of overly aggressive driving at times, with considerable panel and mechanical damage.
I am really glad that your series accepts that the racing is just for fun Dale, as does ours, even though yours is more purist than ours. The aim is the same even though the rules are slightly different. We are getting even tougher on driving standards, especially if there is panel damage, so drivers are likely to be penalised.
Jac Mac
01-01-2013, 08:30 PM
Enlarged to 400% it looks like the wheel center has torn apart, & neg camber of hub 'looks' about normal for a mustang upright @ full droop. Been there, done that, nothing works like it should when that happens-steering, brakes etc all go on holiday!
John McKechnie
01-01-2013, 08:47 PM
Jack Nazer had that happen at Levin with alloy wheels with his Anglia.
Everything sits on the wheels, why compromise!
Although the Chris Summers' 5.3 litre Chevvy engined Lotus was always a huge crowd favourite at Mallory, in this instance the top placing in the 20 lap Bob Gerard Trophy race (part 2) was taken by a 1900cc Lotus BMW (W Forbes) with a 1600cc Brabham in 2nd (D Preston) and David Prophet's 998cc Brabham in 3rd. The Lotus Chev obviously didn't finish.
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J Sutton's Attila Chevrolet heading off Peter Sutcliffe's Ford GT40. Just using driver initials in the programme instead of the full name is a convention of the day that annoys me - especially if I am the commentator... It reeks of only ever being called by your surname - probably a throwback to English public schools or the services! Meeting organised by BRSCC rather than the friendlier NSCC. There were 3 Ford GT40's entered.
14750
One of the few Lotus to be less than successful - Driven here by B Muir, so I presume it is Brian Muir. The programme states "Lotus-Ford" so I am guessing it is the Lotus 30.
14751
Again "F Gardner" so presumably Frank Gardner in Alan Brown's McLaren Elva-Ford
14752
This one needs no introduction at all, although the programme states Ferrari 365P2 it is David Piper's 250LM
14753
When you look at the overall quality of the 19 strong field, it wouldn't look out of place at one of today's historic meeting "glamour grids".
J Sutton again, this time in a fastback Elan - but just look at those rear tyres!!! This race was won by John Miles in another Elan. The only non Lotus starters were Corfield's Diva GT and a J Morris in a 904GTS Porsche. Unfortunately my pic of the Porsche was even worse than these, but in my defence, these were all taken on an old Leica without a rangefinder or any other aids and with a standard (non telephoto) lens so several have been cropped severely. Also running was the older Lotus Eleven GT of Ben Moore, but all the other Lotus' were Elans.
14754
The Winning Miles Elan and the Mefco Racing Porsche behind.
14757
David Hobbs in the Team Surtees lola.
14755
The less well known 4.7 litre Crossle-Ford, with the driver (G Kinnane) wearing a matching helmet.
14756
Barrie
01-04-2013, 07:58 PM
I'm not sure if the Merit range of 1/24th scale car kits ever made it to NZ but they were pretty good kits given that they were 100% plastic - which also included the tyres. Dad built virtually the full set and photographed some of them - circa 1962 at a guess. I remember well him mixing up his own charcoal grey satin paint, as black gloss always looked totally wrong.
Two were "Super Kits" including the Alfa, with detailed engines.
14731
Most, like The Mercedes, just had the body polished rather than painted as in those days, small spray cans weren't really around.
14732
Not many kit manufacturer's have bothered with the Cooper and other 500cc cars, yet there were many different full size models deserving of reproduction in plastic.
14733
The other "Super Kit". The Talbot Lago. Incidentally, I brought these built up kits back to NZ when dad passed on, so maybe I should now re-photograph them in colour. For the day though, these were extremely accurate kits.
14734
This is a trip down memory lane. Yes, Merit kits did come to New Zealand. The first one I assembled was the Vanwall, my all time favourite. Others in the series were the D-Type, Aston Martin DB3S, Lancia Ferrari, Simca-Gordini as well as the ones pictured. I bought all that I could locally.
At the time my Dad was working for NAC loading the DC 3 aircraft and also refuelling them. One of the others there was English and when he and his wife learned of my interest they offered to get the remainder from England for me. That meant saving and buying five shilling English postal notes. So I did assemble both the Alfa Romeo and the Talbot Lago kits as well. Sadly, with frequent moves over the years they became damaged and are long gone. Assembling the Alfa was such fun with its twin magneto set up.
Barrie
Maybe I should post them on Trade Me! They are in the original boxes so might be of value to collectors... There was also the Connaught. I was somewhat impovershed in those days (some things don't change for many a year) so I was limited to the Airfix 2/- kits, which was 2d more than my weekly pocket money - though I did eventually fork out for the Revell E Type Jaguar when I started work (4/10/- a week wages) and that had chromed parts. Wow.
There was also a great kit of the Ford GT40.
Probably the most enjoyable of the more modern kits is the Tamiya Mk2 Jaguar, complete with about 15 transfers for the dash alone, in road or competition trim, just as long you know that the famous BUY12 modelled, has dark blue upholstery and not red.
I seem to remember this as part of a Sports Car Club Saturday garage visit. I know this was Hillside Road, Glenfield (Gulf Restorations?) and I suspect December 1987 or thereabouts. I would appreciate an ID on the car in the foreground.
14763
Easier to spot an MG
14764
Or an RM Riley - one of my favourite cars. I owned one briefly in the UK, but restoration was impossible with my extremely limited skills and facilities of the time. I am always interested to see how many vehicles get crammed into some workshops and therefore I wonder just how long it takes for them to emerge. I know of several cars that have been several years in a workshop.
14765
A bit out of left field. Senior stepson's Chevvy powered Bedford that he used to get into all sorts of trouble before we chucked him out! Quite a well done van though - his cousins did it I believe as they were panel beaters and painters Blockhouse Bay. It was dry stored in his garage at west harbour for several years and was resold fairly recently, initially for the engine and gearbox - but the buyer didn't realise it had a slightly rusty van wrapped around it!
14766
Rod Grimwood
01-04-2013, 10:39 PM
1st photo, is it a 'Moon'. A friend has one he is restoring, and looks the same.
The owner was a nice guy 'Gulf Restorations' Hillside Rd but had an infamous son.
jim short
01-04-2013, 10:51 PM
1st photo, is it a 'Moon'. A friend has one he is restoring, and looks the same.
The owner was a nice guy 'Gulf Restorations' Hillside Rd but had an infamous son.
He had the mail run out of Waiuku in the 50s, Glenbrook, past him every day on my cream run
Rod Grimwood
01-04-2013, 10:57 PM
Son had a different 'run'
AMCO72
01-04-2013, 11:41 PM
I would have picked the 1st photo as being an Auburn, but you might well be right Rod.
Lots of makes over the years were named after planets in the solar system.......Sun, Moon, Star, Jupiter, Saturn, however their 'Stars' did not shine for very long!!
I don't think it is any of those makes. I suspect it could even be French or Dutch, as the radiator badge looks like a shield with red, white and blue diagonal stripes, but it is right hand drive. Any other suggestions?
fullnoise68
01-05-2013, 12:40 AM
Rod, did the guy buy the Moon off Ray Wright? Ray originally bought it from around I think Dargaville/Ruawai area. I reckon the blue car in the first photo is a late `20s Oakland.
Oakland is the most likely so far given the radiator shape.
Paul Wilkinson
01-05-2013, 12:54 AM
It's a bit strange coming across a random picture of Dad (white sweatshirt standing behind green MG) on the interweb..... Was this the same day we had all been across the road at Reid Trailers and seen how the first Fraser was coming together? Those tours were great, do they sill run them?
It's a bit strange coming across a random picture of Dad (white sweatshirt standing behind green MG) on the interweb..... Was this the same day we had all been across the road at Reid Trailers and seen how the first Fraser was coming together?
Not that day. I seem to remember going to see a Heron sports car though? I can't remember what else we saw, but you are right, a great way to spend a Saturday morning!
Rod Grimwood
01-05-2013, 02:13 AM
Most of the restorations where painted by Lyall Martin of Lyalls Carpainters around the corner in Archers Road.
Can remember seeing them there.
He was well known in the trade for doing these kind of jobs.
Lyall was actually the first to be allowed to do repair and paint of Rollers under their orders. He would go to Aussie to do repair work for them as well.
Rod Grimwood
01-05-2013, 02:22 AM
He touched up the original BatMobile that was bought out for a Motor Show.
There is a bit of humour behind the boys and the car, as one of thems name was Robin and he coped it.
AMCO72
01-05-2013, 02:35 AM
That bodywork looks too American to be of French origin. Look at the wheels....very un French.......they had an obsession with disc wheels at about this time.....a la Citroen.
The car is about 1928, and being right hand drive, built for an English market....NZ ?????? I'm not sure that Moon was still in production in 1928, and also not sure that Oakland was either, both eventually becoming victims of the depression or before.
The Moon had a radiator in a similar style to a Rolls-Royce.
A couple more guess's.........Locomobile......Marmon. Someone must know!!!
fullnoise68
01-05-2013, 02:50 AM
That bodywork looks too American to be of French origin. Look at the wheels....very un French.......they had an obsession with disc wheels at about this time.....a la Citroen.
The car is about 1928, and being right hand drive, built for an English market....NZ ?????? I'm not sure that Moon was still in production in 1928, and also not sure that Oakland was either, both eventually becoming victims of the depression or before.
The Moon had a radiator in a similar style to a Rolls-Royce.
A couple more guess's.........Locomobile......Marmon. Someone must know!!!
Gerald, the Moon car I mentioned to Rod was a 1929, and another guy I know in Rotorua had a very similar Oakland, but dark green, and that was a 1928.
nigel watts
01-05-2013, 03:12 AM
That bodywork looks too American to be of French origin. Look at the wheels....very un French.......they had an obsession with disc wheels at about this time.....a la Citroen.
The car is about 1928, and being right hand drive, built for an English market....NZ ?????? I'm not sure that Moon was still in production in 1928, and also not sure that Oakland was either, both eventually becoming victims of the depression or before.
The Moon had a radiator in a similar style to a Rolls-Royce.
A couple more guess's.........Locomobile......Marmon. Someone must know!!!
Looks like an Oakland http://www.flickr.com/photos/eduardoolivera/4849458195/
Agree. The radiator badge as well as the radiator shape confirms it. Surely, this car still exists in NZ anyway? Many thanks - I can at least file it under the correct make even if the date isn't 100% correct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oakland_(Les_chauds_vendredis_%2710).jpg
Kevin Andrews very kindly sold me this Singer Bantam project, but once again, I didn't have the skills required to restore it, so it was on-sold to a guy in Waiheke. Does anyone know if it ever got finished?
14783
I know this is Pukekohe and the cars aren't too much of a problem. It looks like a sprint of some sort but I have no other details. Note the infamous Pukekohe timekeeping bus in the background.
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14784
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fullnoise68
01-05-2013, 03:55 AM
ERC, the grey Riley is a very similar model to one that my father in laws brother owns in Taupo, that he has spent plenty on restoring and may soon be for sale. My father in law has amongst his collection a 1937 Citreon Coupe, which back in the late `90`s the late Tim Bailey ( Continental Cars) asked if he could bring a French guy around who was an avid???? Citreon collector on a business trip to NZ at the time. The price offered then was over $100,000 and would have been cheap if you converted it to UK money back then. We are going to advertise it in Europe shortly on the internet. I`ll see if Bruce302 can post some photos he took of it just before Xmas.
Greg Mackie
01-05-2013, 04:08 AM
Pre War Car is good. The first adv. is free, and they have a very big coverage.
http://www.prewarcar.com/
fullnoise68
01-05-2013, 04:13 AM
Thanks for that Greg.
Rod Grimwood
01-05-2013, 11:05 PM
The timeing bus, bit of Puke history there, was better than the first timeing post i feel.
The gentleman with the video camera and yellow driveing suit looks a little like a younger Jim Short.
zombie289
01-06-2013, 10:04 AM
Wow what an interesting field of cars in this 1967 race somewhere in Ohio.... Diggin the A/Sedan Nova
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa26/zombie289/JNRS0_508_zpsf92bb660.jpg
Tom Leake's Aston was a regular at Mallory and I never tired of admiring it.
14793
One of the most famous of all UK Escorts. Dave Brodies 'Run Baby Run'.
14794
This was the first Dino 246 I ever saw - and still on Italian plates - it was raced that day! For years, I thought that maybe it belonged to Frank Sytner, but it was a replacement entry and it was either David Weir or Mike Ogier.
14795
jim short
01-06-2013, 10:20 PM
The timeing bus, bit of Puke history there, was better than the first timeing post i feel.
The gentleman with the video camera and yellow driveing suit looks a little like a younger Jim Short.
Herb Gilroys Cistellia replicar ,replaced McLaren in Jap eating house,.Really suprised you can tell from the front!!
Steve Holmes
01-07-2013, 02:05 AM
Tom Leake's Aston was a regular at Mallory and I never tired of admiring it.
14793
Nice shot of a Zagato. This is a nice angle for this car. They can look a bit awkward from some angles in my opinion.
jim short
01-07-2013, 04:26 AM
That Dino is the same as the one John Samson parked very neatly in large drain 30 metres befor the spot Bruce parked his Cooper that spun on oil from??/ ?? car 1965? he just cliped the ambulance parked there.When John put his Dino in upto the door windows with a mitre to spare on both sides,to get it out several drivers striped to the last item and climbed into the waist deep water to hook the cable on,when Bruce went in the drain had not been drained, cleared of watercress ect.Had John gone in upside down who knows what the result would have been, not a nice thought
Whenuapai 1987 but this energetically driven Porsche was a late entry so I have no idea of the driver. No doubt someone on here will know.
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Alfa GTA was a great sight, with Richard Atkinson's Ford V6 Marcos (now owned by FF driver Phil Foulkes) in the background. Richard had two Marcos at the time, both painted bright yellow. You don't realise how low the Marcos is until you park it alongside another smallish car. It makes an MGB look like a double decker... Yes, this is a plywood chassis car too.
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Sunbeam Tiger. Either John Boyd or Steven Ward driving, one of several shared driver cars.
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Another couple of pics from the Sports Car club's garage day.
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I presume this is the car that was in the Donington Museum almost from day one - the Maserati based Tech-Mec. As the same car was out at the Monaco Historics 2012, is this yet another fascinating car that has been sold off?
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There is something "correct" about front engined racers that I can't really define. I think they have an individuality totally lacking in todays computer generated look alikes. One of two Scarabs now out racing. Once again, I am not sure if Donington still has their example.
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AMCO will be happy with this - Lotus Cortina trailing the Minis. Mind you, I suppose I should fess up and admit that it is practice...
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When the 1.5 litre F1 formula was announced for 1961 to 1965, many pundits saw it as the death of Formula 1. Probably because I was old enough to take a keen interest and read every report of every race, it remains in my memory as an era when the drivers had to drive so much harder, faster, smoother, to make up for the lack of power and it was when many of the great names came to the fore - not to mention a shift from Italian and German dominance to British dominance. BRM came of age so it was their only golden patch, before slowly sliding into oblivion again.
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